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Thread: Won't start or turn over. Need help.

Created on: 01/02/20 08:54 AM

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Nightmare


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Location: Okotoks, AB

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RE: Won't start or turn over. Need help.
01/07/20 7:31 AM

Hey KAK,

Since the bike isn't cranking there are only a few things in this circuit, the battery, its connecting wires, the starter relay and the starter.

You've charged the battery and it looks good but a load test (Canadian Tire here in Canada does these tests for free if you just bring in the battery) will give you a good idea if the battery is bad or not.

Check the wires, you said you checked the connections at the battery but the starter motor's negative "wire" is the engine itself, make sure you check the ground wire to the frame of the bike (clean and re-tighten it)

The first click you hear is the starter relay, this suggests its good but as others mention, not a guarantee but I would move on.

The constant clicking sounds, that's the side where the starter motor is, could be the motor is trying to turn but the gears are jammed (doubtful), or its getting insufficient power to turn properly (more likely), or it may be the actuators in the throttle bodies moving back and forth rapidly (never heard of that before but...)

If it was me personally, I'd jump start the bike using another battery (yes a CAR battery), don't jump start it with another running vehicle but with the other vehicle off hook up the jumper cables and give it a try, if it works then you know its the battery or cables.

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KAK



Location: Utah

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RE: Won't start or turn over. Need help.
01/10/20 3:44 PM

Everyone, thanks for the help! Put in the new battery yesterday and she started up instantly. Re-setting the clock took more thinking than the battery work.
I never had a battery die like this one. With the clicking and the lights doing weird stuff, I thought something worse had happened. I haven't received the starter relay yet but I'll just include it with the bike when I sell it.
I have to ask, the Kawasaki genuine starter relay cost $113 at a site I've bought from many times, because the parts cost less than others and I always get what I ordered. The one on Amazon cost $7 and includes shipping. It looks identical in every way. Only difference is with the Kawasaki genuine part, you get the rubber case that the relay sits in. How can there be such a huge price difference? "Made in China" explains it? (I assume it will say that when I get it).

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mokaw


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RE: Won't start or turn over. Need help.
01/10/20 4:16 PM

I'm glad you got it going. A battery can quit working at any time. Mine did. Started right up, rode to cruise night, ready to leave and nothing. New battery next day and started right up. Remember, the battery is the heart of the motorcycle. Without it nothing works. As for the Chinese part, it might be ok. I got a Chinese steering stabilizer from Amazon. It only cost $65, it's a duplicate of the Hyperpro, and it works great. Price out a Hyperpro for a 14 and see how much it is, $396 from motomummy. Anyway, I'm glad you got the bike going with something so simple.


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KAK



Location: Utah

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RE: Won't start or turn over. Need help.
01/10/20 5:36 PM

Thanks, mokaw. You and others kept trying to tell me it was the battery, but I kept thinking it was something worse.
Live and learn. Thanks again.

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Nightmare


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RE: Won't start or turn over. Need help.
01/13/20 9:09 AM

I personally think $113 is a ridiculous price for a starter relay, the price difference is likely either the made in China vs made in Japan (assuming the OEM is made in Japan) or the fact that its just a cheap "knock off" part. Likely it would have worked just as well as the original, hell at $7 even if you have to replace it 10 times you're still ahead money wise but out a lot of time and frustration.

I've seen a lot of similar things, side view mirrors for a Jeep from the stealership, $275/each from Partsource $150/pair. A 128MB compact flash card from Cisco $700 or a 512MB (smallest I could find) $15 from another store, the Cisco part literally had a Cisco sticker over the SANDISK sticker.

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Maddevill


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Location: Hayward, CA

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RE: Won't start or turn over. Need help.
01/13/20 11:26 AM

Yeah, I bought a Chinese carb for my quad and another for a friends Honda Elite scooter. $35 vs $158 ( and no longer available). Work great.
OP- make sure your charging system is good or we'll be talking about batteries again in the future.

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KAK



Location: Utah

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RE: Won't start or turn over. Need help.
01/13/20 3:45 PM

I could go on and on about prices for motorcycle parts. "Genuine" parts are simply over-priced. Many to the point of ripping off the customer. Some of the parts, like a starter motor, are 2 or 3 times the price of a typical car starter. Damn, even nuts and bolts cost much more compared to a similar nut or bolt for a car or for general purpose.
Last year when I was pricing a 2019 Kawasaki 900Rs, Kawasaki wanted $400 for the optional center stand. My latest set of Michelin Road Pilot 5's cost $450. If I'm lucky, I'll get about 20% of the mileage I'd get for the same quality car tire and 2 of the car tires cost $100 less? Just obvious price gouging.
I think it's all part of why motorcycling is in decline. There used to be 5 Suzuki dealers within 20 miles of me. Now there's 1. I used to see several other riders every morning when I commuted. By the time I retired, I could go several days without seeing another rider. Instead of motorcycling just being another way of getting around, it's now being looked at as a "sport" and I guess that means you should expect to pay more for everything. I know some people are just tired of it and it's part of why they just stop riding sooner than they would have.

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Rook


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RE: Won't start or turn over. Need help.
01/13/20 4:37 PM

Yup, I always thought it had to do with supply and demand. It takes higher prices to offset the relatively small numbers of people who ride motorcycles compared to driving cars. Everyone has a car so car parts can be manufactured in higher volumes.



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BIGO70



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RE: Won't start or turn over. Need help.
01/13/20 10:55 PM

I was going to chime in and say "new battery" also. Glad that is all it turned out to be.

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BIGO70



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RE: Won't start or turn over. Need help.
01/13/20 11:04 PM

I agree that motorcycling seems to be diminishing here in the United States. Not so much in other countries.

As for parts pricing, I also agree that we are getting gouged by the manufacturer. However, they know many of us have very few options and don't know how to work on our own bikes so we are at their mercy.

In regard to working on our own bikes, that to is becoming more difficult with the advent of electronic packages. Unless you have a lap top, a scanner and know the codes you are pretty much stuck taking your bike to a dealer if it is something electrical.

Personally, I wish they would have stopped with the electronics with the invention of fuel injection.

I don't need traction control package, anti wheelie package, ABS, electronic suspension package, etc....

If you need all of that then maybe you shouldn't be riding a motorcycle??????????

Sorry, rant over. LOL

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KAK



Location: Utah

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RE: Won't start or turn over. Need help.
01/14/20 9:50 PM

I agree. The next bike I buy, like it or not, will have traction control, ABS, power modes, some kind of "intelligent" bullshit, etc. The only thing those things represent to me are future malfunctions and problems. How about skipping that stuff and making the bike more reliable. Give me a chain that lasts twice as long or how about a center stand?
I don't want to ride a bike that thinks for itself. I just replaced my 25 year old Chevy Blazer and now I have an SUV that thinks for itself. Now I hope we don't get into an argument on a long trip.

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