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Created on: 05/13/15 12:24 PM

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Clunky shifting......???
05/13/15 12:24 PM

So drained out the old oil (semi syn penn brad)
Poured in some Amsoil full syn left yesterday morning for work and every single gear is clunky like first gear but every gear.. First time I ever experienced this and not sure what to do?? Do I get it out and get something else or will this go away after some miles?? Anyone have this issue before?

I did some searching and found a few posts with the same thing but after some miles it cleared up in once case, another case it took several changes before it got silky smooth again...

Also read that some oils contain so much xtra crap that it remains behind and until it's gone only then shifting will be smooth again...

Any one got something else? doesn't matter speed or rom it's just clunky !



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RE: Clunky shifting......???
05/13/15 12:51 PM

DAmn! How disappointing. I bet that cost quite a bit. I've never used Amsoil but everyone seems to rave about it. Of course that might be the ones that didn't have it clunk on every gear. The Repsol 4T full synthetic Race oil I used made a smart SNAP into 1st gear and all the rest were perfectly smooth. That lasted about 500 miles and then it was like normal dino oil. If you flush, try Rotella T6 synthetic. That's cheap enough to dump often. I have used nothing but in the 14 for years. I won't try to tell you it's a lot smoother than conventional oil but it is cheap.



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RE: Clunky shifting......???
05/13/15 1:11 PM

Expensive, but I found Motul 300V makes a difference with shifting.
I still get my bike serviced at recommended intervals but they say you can extend these using this.
It's the only oil I use now.



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RE: Clunky shifting......???
05/13/15 6:36 PM

You didn't change boots did Ya?



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RE: Clunky shifting......???
05/14/15 2:39 AM

Which Amsoil bike oil did you use?



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RE: Clunky shifting......???
05/14/15 3:27 AM

You didn't change boots did Ya?

Funny you question that. I went to Wilmington 2 weeks ago hoping to fulfill my goal of running 200mph. Best run I got (with an official time) was 183 because I was having terrible time shifting. My best guess as to why is my brand new Alpinestars boots that I couldn't feel the shifter through. I'd accidentally be putting pressure on the shift lever which would trigger the shift kill and then when I really wanted to shift it wouldn't.



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RE: Clunky shifting......???
05/14/15 3:50 AM

Nope still use my sidi boots...

Oil is 10w40 and kaw filter

I would run rotella but they don't make a 10w40 synthetic and it didn't last very long In my 10R, the rotella was very nice for about 2k miles the motul made my 10r sound like chit dumped it after 100 miles..

I prolly ride a bit Sunday and see if anything changes



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RE: Clunky shifting......???
05/14/15 5:23 AM

I've found Amsoil to be somewhat thicker, clingier and gooeyer (is that a word?) than other oils. There must be some sort of additive causing this, but I got slightly reduced fuel mileage, slightly harder starting (more and slower engine turnover) and heavier shifting (more effort) with Amsoil.

Lytnin' told me when he rebuilt his buddy's ZRX drag bike, the Amsoil that was used made it difficult to hold onto a part, it was so slick and sticky. He uses Mobil 1 4T and I have been using it exclusively ever since.



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RE: Clunky shifting......???
05/14/15 12:07 PM

2qts of 50w racing, then topped off with delo 400 15w40. Dead engine it drags the clutch I roll backwards in gear. After a few hun, the oil thins out and is easier to move. As stated, within a few thou the shift quality loses that plush engagement, no matter the boot/chain slack/drum star and roller/etc.

I'd say chain, but that's a lot of mis-shifts; not shift quality.



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RE: Clunky shifting......???
05/14/15 2:17 PM

No problems with Amsoil here. It actually makes my Husky shift a lot better than other oils. It's the only thing I have ever put in the 14R.

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RE: Clunky shifting......???
05/14/15 10:49 PM

I am using Castrol RS Racing 4T full synthetic and pretty happy with it. Now 20W-50 for summer. Pepboys is doing sale on Castrol. I bought 5 qts of 10W-40 today for winter. Sale price is $7.99/qt. A good deal, I believe.



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RE: Clunky shifting......???
05/15/15 1:57 AM

So I'll asume it's the 10-40 metric oil. That's what I use, and my shifting is butter smooth. As for Amsoil being slippery, I thought that's what oil was supposed to be.



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RE: Clunky shifting......???
05/15/15 6:38 AM

Well haven't figured out what I'm doing I do appreciate the replies..
I'm thinking of dumping it in a clean pan, and reinstall..
I do have some Shell T5 blend I could use to maybe flush and refill w/amsoil after couple hundred miles..

My issue here is that I'm a dealer for amsoil and if it does this in mine I don't want my customers using it either ! I'll find another oil...



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RE: Clunky shifting......???
05/15/15 10:21 AM

Yan says"Expensive, but I found Motul 300V makes a difference with shifting"...yep...or Semi Syn Motul.Never could understand really why all these other brands are used in place of the factory oil.Kawasaki(Motul) Sportbike oil that is.I've tried several high end oils...Motul works the best out of all of em IMO.


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RE: Clunky shifting......???
05/15/15 10:34 AM

What he is describing doesn't seem like its the oil, I mean it could be, but amsoil is
pretty good stuff, like Grn said, Motul is good for me, the 300V was slightly better than the
7000 ... I am going to try the silver cap Mobil one next, just because I have a jug of it
sitting in the garage ... Walmart special HAHA $14 after rebate for 5 Quarts !!


Are those ASV levers sitting in there just right and lubed good ? Im sure they are,
most likely not that as that is not what it usually does when they aren't in there right ..


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RE: Clunky shifting......???
05/15/15 3:22 PM

I'm thinking of dumping it in a clean pan, and reinstall..

Clean and blow the bottom of the bike off real good. You probably have seen those chunks of gravel in your drain pan after you dump used oil. I know they don't come out of the engine. I'm a little anal on most stuff but I would find some suitable filter paper to let that used oil drip through back into the bottle for storage. It will take hours but you'll be sure your not introducing any external grit into the motor if you decide to put the amsoil in again.



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RE: Clunky shifting......???
05/15/15 3:35 PM

Gonna send a sample to Amsoil before I dump it...
But I'm gonna use my penn grade 1 oil once I do.. I'll be returning the cases of Amsoil I have left and oil filters..
I don't want anything to do with it...



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RE: Clunky shifting......???
05/15/15 7:26 PM

Grn, how do we know kawasaki oil is motul?



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RE: Clunky shifting......???
05/15/15 8:09 PM

On ZXforums..."And I actually found out the other day that kawasaki synthetic is made by motul. .."....so,it's a separate Company,but recommended(exclusively) by Kawasaki.With their name on it.Guess they really DON'T make it themselves.I always thought they did.I've got some here...the 5100 Ester/syn.I'll go look on the mfg's.


Here's another one on a different forum..."If you need a picture of the back of the bottle where it says produced by motul I can do so".


I went out just now and looked at mine...it says..."produced for Kawasaki in Irvine,California".Hell...IDK if Kawasaki makes it or farms out.Irvine's the head office for Kawasaki in the US.Maybe they have a Petroleum plant in their backyard or something;)


"motul" is apparently overseas somewhere...producing oils.Would that be 'normal' for a company to put their own name on it even if someone else is making it?


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RE: Clunky shifting......???
05/16/15 10:31 AM

I don't think any of the big 4 produce their own oil. It wouldn't make any sense for them to. There are too many viable options just sitting on shelves all over the world.

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RE: Clunky shifting......???
05/16/15 12:54 PM

All makers should have multiple sources. In Japan, expensive oil is in green but here it is brown. Must come from two different suppliers, I think



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RE: Clunky shifting......???
05/18/15 5:23 AM

The Motul oil Kawasaki sells is probably imported in barrels and bottled in Irvine.

The only way to compare Amsoil's performance to another oil is to drain it out and refill with the other oil to see if it makes a difference. My "anecdotal" evidence is from the experience of two people and two motorcycles, neither of which was a ZX-14. Considering the "clingy" nature of Amsoil, it may take a couple changes to get all of it out of the engine. I'm sure, from the tests I've seen, that it's an excellent lubricant. It just seems to have the character of a higher viscosity oil.



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RE: Clunky shifting......???
05/19/15 4:20 AM

well i found the issue and she's fine.... appears my clutch lever was not adjusted correctly... after adjusting it tad bit further from from the bar.. I had it to close to the bar and not engaging the clutch fully, anyhow she shifts fine now butter smooth all gears! not sure why i didn't notice a difference with the other oil??? but took her around block and all is good!



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RE: Clunky shifting......???
05/19/15 6:31 AM

Then you still have a problem. The lever adjustment won't allow the clutch to not fully travel either way. It's just for personal preference on how far away you want to reach for the lever. I have the levers set as close to the bar as possible, so I don't wear myself out reaching way out there all day.



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RE: Clunky shifting......???
05/19/15 6:34 AM

Then you still have a problem. The lever adjustment won't allow the clutch to not fully travel either way. It's just for personal preference on how far away you want to reach for the lever. I have the levers set as close to the bar as possible, so I don't wear myself out reaching way out there all day.

U have Stock or aftermarket levers?
Stock levers where fine but now I have 3 inches of adjustment ...
And must have went to far in or it moved on me which I doubt


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