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Created on: 08/10/12 09:37 PM

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a couple fairing questions
08/10/12 9:37 PM

Picked up my bike back from the dealer today. Did 600 mile service (sort of), checked into the lack of rear brake and was supposed to realign my fairing pieces after the shaking it took when a bolt fell off. It's been about 8 hours since I picked it up and I think my blood pressure is almost back to normal. Anyway without crucifying Honda East too bad till I go back tomorrow and see what they will make right, let's get to the fairing.

Is there a source other than your local stealership to get the little black plastic washers that go under the bolts, particularly the 6 that secure the upper covers ( I think that's what they're called). 2 were missing and one is cone shaped instead of flat. Oh yea, not one single bolt in the whole "F"ing fairing was snug. Not windshield, upper, mid or lower, nothing was even snug yet alone tight.

I'm going to use the same picture from my other thread as even with trying to adjust it, it is still the same.

I know Grn14 said it isn't too bad and in the grand scheme of life it isn't but it bugs the heck out of me especially since it wasn't this way when I took delivery. Got this way with fairing shaking. Gap between tank cover and mid fairing is great on clutch side. the grills are very secure where the projections go into the grommets. the picture showing the brake side has the very uneven gap. thing is when you push in on the grills about where the big projection is the grill pops into place and the gap goes away. take the pressure off the grill and the pictured gap returns. It didn't look like the projection is messed up but the grommet doesn't look great.

One last request. If anyone could take a few pictures of the quick rivets that go into the fairing (i think there are 8) i'd appreciate it. looks like there are 3 different kinds and the technition ("F"ing hack) has different head sizes in matching locations,if that makes any sense at all.

I said I wasn't going here but I cannot resist. Are you supposed to have to chase threads in the frame after the professional worked on your motorcycle? also, I'm not sure but is oil supposed to be dripping from the oil drain bolt and filter? If I can take a picture or two without my blood pressure skyrocketing again I may take some showing how bad he scratched up the upper fairing trying to get the upper inner covers out (or in) and the tank cover.

Oh well, any help would be greatly appreciated. If this should be in Q&A or maintenace instead feel free to move it.



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RE: a couple fairing questions
08/10/12 10:32 PM

Man I'd like to be able to see your bike in person.I'm pretty sure WE could get er back lined up like new.One reason I don't take my bike to the dealer...for one thing...most haven't ever worked on a 14,let alone a 14R.The quick rivets are(if you go underneath the front)...now at the pointed edge of the inside fairing tip...there's on in there...pull it out.They ALL are that type and size.EXCEPT for the two under the nose...the heads on those are slightly bigger and knurled...not smooth topped like the 'smaller' ones.Pull out the other one there,and head down to a fastener shop...match em up...and get a dozen or so.

You mentioned the projector grommet deal.Are you sure the grommet is actually in the frame hole?..and not stuck on the projection?Sounds like it might be.All the grommets go into the frame tabs.They are not supposed to come out(sometimes they do unintentionally).(you most likely know that anyway).

The pic where your seam is having a gap...there's a tank cover fairing projection at the front side bottom tip there that goes into the midfairing....is that pushed all the way in?Now...the tab on the tank cover...at the frame bracket there where the one screw goes in(At the Ram Duct cover tip)..that tab is sitting flush OVER that screw bracket?And the bracket is symmetrically aligned to allow the cover tab and he midframe tab to sit flush together over it without anything looking tweaked?(like the other side?).


You know those well nut bolts are not supposed to be cranked down till you can't turn em anymore,yes?Your side cover needs to come up and into the edge of the tank cover...either that...or your tank cover and midfairing are not down far enough.I can't tell by the pic....clear as it is.You're sure the tank cover projection there at the bottom is in the fairing tab hole?And th midfairing is BOLTED into the frame hole as well right below that?(can't see it unless you remove the side cover...then you'll see it there at the tip of the midfairing...that deep hole with the bolt,may be a projection right there as well...a bit up and to the left looking at the side of the bike.

Okay...I'm looking at your picture there...I notice the large tank fairing bolt at the rear...it's NOT centered in that well.Like the tank cover isn't down far enough...THIS could also be...the cover(side cover)needs to be pushed up farther along there.That would bring that bolt back into the center of that well as well.Can you check those things out?What I mentioned above.I want to make a video of this for you...but I don't want to insult you....It can be done wrong...I know...I've done it wrong...and so have some past Kawasaki 'techs' that I trusted to get things right on...


No...the oil shouldn't be leaking.Wipe it down...run it tommorrow...see if it still happens.PROBABLY just some residual from removing the filter and such.Most techs don't bother cleaning things as they go...not their bike.Tell ya one thing though...anyone bringing an uncleaned motorcycle into a shop is asking for lousy service...NOT SAYING YOU DID....so PLEASE don't take it that way.

You shouldn't have any problem finding those washers...hardware store...fastener store...any screw shop will have em.

"2 were 'missing' and one is cone shaped instead of flat".Those two have well nuts under em...were the well nuts still there?and the tabs undamaged?This is important....that the tabs were okay.


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RE: a couple fairing questions
08/10/12 10:44 PM

I promise I will not be insulted if you want to make a video. Actually that would be pretty darn cool. It has been a long, frustrating day. Having to chase the treads on a frame hole really put me in one of those moods that I actually feel sorry for my wife.

I'm going to bed and will work on this tomorrow. Once again, thank you, I appreciate it greatly.



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RE: a couple fairing questions
08/10/12 10:49 PM

here is the clutch side for a comparision shot



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RE: a couple fairing questions
08/10/12 10:54 PM

AFAIK the well nuts are still there and tabs are undamaged.

Funny thing, the other dealer I do business with (unfortunately the don't handle Kaws) has a sign right in the shop that if the bike is dirty they charge a minimum of $25 to make it ready to work on. I always joked that I was too tired to clean it so just charge me, to which Lonnie (a really good mechanic) would just laugh and say yea right. They actually even found dirt way up under that tank on my Husaberg and laughed that I missed something.



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RE: a couple fairing questions
08/10/12 10:54 PM

Okay...I'll make a vid for ya...no prob.Just so ya get the basic ideas of what order things go together with this bike.REALLY sorry you're having this problem...it IS a real bummer with a new bike...I know how ya feel...The older model 14's are not the same ...the fasteners and such.It does assemble differently.Maybe have a vid for you tonight...will go out right now and start it...may not be as clear as possible...the lighting isn't real great in my garage...but...we'll see.Hang in there...we'll get er like new again.

The clutch side looks perfect.The bolt is nicely centered.That other one isn't...something's not lining up as it should.If you end up removing those large bolts in that side cover rear there...DO NOT push hard to get them to start...slide em into the wellnut...and gently turn to start the threads.They CAN be pushed out of their brackets...and INTO the airbox.So be careful!


"AFAIK the well nuts"...you have to be sure about this...not guess.If they're broken or gone....nothing will tighten up for ya.Can you remove the upper inner fairing and just check?The Ram cover thing.Check the tabs and see that they're not cracked or broken off.Remove the three screws...gently slide the cover forward(as you move the front of it over up by the dials.Slide it free...do not force up...slide it inward at the tank cover interface...inward and forward.To clear the tabs on the cover part underneath.BE CAREFUL!!!


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RE: a couple fairing questions
08/10/12 11:03 PM

Thanks, I gotta run. one last thing, I actually have 3 differnt size quick rivets. The knurled ones were supposed to go into that lower middle cover right over the fender weren't they? strange thing was they were the only ones that would secure in the two holes up front under the fairing.



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RE: a couple fairing questions
08/10/12 11:08 PM

Yes...they go right there,under the nose on both sides...along with that small bolt under there...the others MAY be slightly different in length,the longer ones go INTO the rubber parts inside the covers(side covers)on the engine,inner plastics along there...those holes to secure that rubber thing and the black plastic parts.There are several tabs on the those BLACK plastic parts in there that HAVE to match in the upper inner fairing pieces.They can get easily snapped off if you attempt to force things together.I'll try to show ya what I mean.


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RE: a couple fairing questions
08/12/12 12:12 AM

I made a vid for ya...it didn't turn out very well at all...the camera was not close enough and it didn't work very well.I'll try to get one going again...make it simpler.


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RE: a couple fairing questions
08/12/12 7:19 PM

Hey Grn14, when you say the wellnuts are supposed to be so tight you can't turn them, which ones were you referring to? I probably have all mine to tight, am sure I do on the upper inner covers since the little plastic washers are cuppping.



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RE: a couple fairing questions
08/13/12 12:34 AM

If you are realy serious about putting your plastic on right get an inch pound torque wrench and use it. Each size fastner has a specific torque. The sizes on our bikes are around 10 to 20 in. lb. If you look on line there is a chart for well nuts. The key here is If your not a mechanic make sure the guy working on your bike is. A good one is very hard to find!



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RE: a couple fairing questions
08/13/12 12:46 AM

Grn...."You know those well nut bolts are not supposed to be cranked down till you can't turn em anymore",

"Hey Grn14, when you say the wellnuts are supposed to be so tight you can't turn them, which ones were you referring to?"

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Thanks Grn
08/14/12 9:17 AM

@Grn14:

Just wanted to say "thanks" for posting these tips about the fairing fasteners. I believe it will help me when I have to take them off... Not looking forward to busting that particular cherry.



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RE: a couple fairing questions
08/14/12 12:50 PM

You're welcome...one especially...use caution when tightening that tank cover bolt...the side one...don't crank down on that 'extreme'.The rubber can and will tear...and into the airbox it'll go.

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