I got a partial cycle logic kit with just about everything minus fuel system and turbo... Here's some teasers

Hey, nice to see you doing a turbo kit yourself.
I dont see any partial kits listed on the cyclogic web site, is it something new they are listing?
Wouldnt mind seeing what these bits cost......any chance you can let me know?
Grinner.......

I believe this guy (Mark) used to be a partial owner of Cycle Logic but isn't anymore. He had an ad up on ebay for these partial turbo kits. His number is (941) 286-8240

He was asking $500 plus shipping for the kits, but he only had about 5 left about a week or two ago. Give him a call and tell him Jorgen sent you.

http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/Kawasaki-Zx14-2006-07-08-Turbo-Kit-Exhaust-Manifold_W0QQitemZ250617640359QQcmdZViewItemQQptZMotorcycles_Parts_Accessories?hash=item3a59f9b5a7

Hey have you found a cheap Subaru turbo to use with the kit yet Im interested in getting one myself

And how much does the fuel sysytem ugrades cost and where u getting those fromc

You can choose to use the ihi vf22 like they use with the regular cycle logic turbo kits, but quite honestly, that is an OLD turbo with OLD technology and it comes with a crazy pricetag ($1200+ dollars). I'm going to gamble a little bit and use a chinese knock off big 16g. It not only flows more cfm, but it spools the same, and is only $260 shipped. Just search "wrx 16g" on ebay. While the chinese turbos have been horrible in the past, the chinese 16g has been around for several years. I've researched it both in the wrx and dsm forums. There are a lot of members with years of 20+ psi, and the turbo is still going strong. Even if it fails.... it's only $260 shipped! It should bolt right up. If you have more dough, I would go with a gt28 or gt30 depending on your power needs. The 16g should EASILY support 350whp. I believe cycle logic claims something like 450whp with their vf22 (but you're going to need to cool that air). Regardless, the big 16g flows 50ish more cfm.

As for the fuel system, I'll be going to cycle logic. I'm getting the in tank walbro 255 lph mod that they do. Costs $160. That's the same fuel pump I had in my 500 whp supra! But, when you get that, you'll need to also buy a fuel pressure regulator. I'll be going to cycle logic for that as well. I believe it's $218 for their rising rate fuel pressure regulator. The rising rate fpr lets you run over 300whp on the stock injectors. If money wasn't an issue, I'd use the cl fuel pump, and get a 1:1 fpr, and big injectors. You could save around $100 by getting a 1:1 fpr, but the injectors are $350-$450, depending on what you want.

So, as you can see, it's a FANTASTIC deal when you compare it to a $4000 system. However, there are several supporting mods that I think need to be done before you just slap a turbo on your bike. I'm getting a modded oil pan from Colby Adams ($300). It is boxxed at the bottom, and holds about 6 quarts. With how quickly these bikes spin up, plus the additional oil used by the turbo, I'll need the extra oil for lubrication and cooling. Plus I drag race, and I want to be able to get the bike a little lower.
I already have a power commander III usb (for fuel control), and a power commander ignition module (for timing control). The ignition module isn't as critical, but I want it for uber safety of the engine.
You will also need to consider how to hold all that power. Simple clutch springs from Brocks or Barnett (they cost $30, and I think the Barnetts are the stiffest) will hold about 250whp from what I've read, but I think I'll also be getting a dual stage lockup clutch from cycle logic. That should easily hold all the power I'm going to throw at it, and they are very reasonable at $280.
Last but not least, the valve springs are a weak point on the zx14. I am probably going to throw in some valve springs, and retainers to make sure I don't float a valve (especially since I'm raising the rev-limit 500 rpm).

With these mods, I should safely be able to run 10 psi on 112 octane and about 300whp. I'm not trying to build the world's fastest bike, rather, a reliable consistent FAST bike.

* Last updated by: gilberjj on 6/20/2010 @ 7:39 PM *

So, here's the break-down as I see it....

Partial turbo kit...................$540
Valve springs and retainers.........$350
Adams modded oil pan................$300
C-L lockup clutch...................$290
Turbo...............................$260
Tune................................$250
C-L fuel pressure reg...............$220
Walbro fuel pump....................$160
AEM dryflow air filter..............$40
gauge pod holder....................$35
boost gauge.........................$35
fuel pressure gauge.................$35

Total...............................$2515

Of course, they say that whenever you are doing a turbo project, figure out how much it's going to cost ($2515), and double it.... then you have the real cost.... I sure hope not.... I'll keep you all posted.

and of course power commander if you don't have one....

* Last updated by: gilberjj on 6/20/2010 @ 8:25 PM *

is the bolt pattern on the exhaust flange the same? i may pick up a 16g for testing. i'm running a vf22 now
and it does warm up on the top end
just a heads up @18 psi i have already popped the intake boots off the top of the intake--seems like there is not much
to grab onto on the top of the intake--bought new clamps but can still see the boots creeping up--if you run over 12psi keep an eye on this as its a "holy $#@&" moment when it happens lol

catch me i ya can--i'm gone--Carl

Yes, it should be a bolt-on turbo for the cycle logic kit. Here's a pic of the exhaust side.

I got the pic from here

http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/02-07-Subaru-Impreza-WRX-TD05-16G-Upgrade-Turbo-New-_W0QQcmdZViewItemQQhashZitem439fd05516QQitemZ290444039446QQptZMotorsQ5fCarQ5fTruckQ5fPartsQ5fAccessories#ht_4142wt_941

and yes, the big 16g should make more power then the vf22

IHI VF-22 ------------ 440 CFM at 14.7 PSI
Small 16G ------------ 505 CFM at 14.7 PSI
Large 16G ----------- 550 CFM at 14.7 PSI

Very cool project you got going on, Gil. Best of luck and do keep us posted. Sounds like you've done your research.

Just an fyi, I've got a GT30R @ 7 lbs and it put down 297rwhp. Mapped and timing pulled out to keep everything safe. All is good and I'm about to hit 15k total miles with stock internals.

The gt30r would be my turbo of choice if money weren't an issue. maybe in the future. i just want to get this project off the ground and ride a turbo bike!

Preciate that alot thanks so much man great stuff u couldn't of done a better job answering my question. I'll keep u posted on how my project goes when I purchase it and let's me know how yours go .

gilberjj
Thanks , I see you posted back in june and i never replied , my appologies, Ill give him a call see what he, s got left.
Although with work being as it has been then I may just go to CL and get the whole shooting match ive been on with this for ages and aint getting nowhere with it.........
Thanks for the info again.. ill keep you posted on what i am doing.
How is your project doing , is she a runner yet??

Well my partial kit has arrived here in the uk, cant wait to get my hands on it. at my buddys house 200 miles from here. may go get it tomorrow anxious to see the quality ..............stand by
:)

Well picked the kit up today, wow, very pleased cant get it put on just at the minute but will start on it the week after next cant wait to use it i have an IHI turbo but need to get single scroll exhaust housing, its on a twin scroll at the moment,to mount it and also a modded actuator set at 6 or 8 psi.
Does anyone know what power to expect from 6psi??????????

The IHI/V22 Turbo that came with my Cycle-Logic kit is set at 8/lbs of boost with one shim behind the wastegate bracket. From what I've been told you remove the shim the boost goes up to about 11/lbs, you add another shim it goes down to 5 1/2 or 6/lbs. Cycle-Logics website says 260hp at 8/lbs of boost on a stock motor 14. My kit on the original owners bike made 265+. I know at my elevation (4500-5000ft) my 8/lbs of boost is actually only going to be about 6.......which is still fine by me Supposedly you gain/lose about 10 to 12 hp for every lb of boost. Closer to 12 for bike engines because of the higher compression. So 260 take away 24 hp or so.....about 236 rwhp at 6/lbs of boost, which is going to be a HUGE amount of hp for a 550lb motorcycle. Downright ridiculous even

BinB have you ridden a turbo 14? would you like to share with us Im getting so impatient, had to have holiday with family, so when i get back full steam ahead!

I haven't got my turbo 14 project finished yet either grin....sorry The only other turbo I've owned and ridden put out far less power than our 14's are going too....so I'm as impatient as you are, but at least I've had a taste of turbo power, and believe me with the 14's power potential its going to blow you away! I'm going to fill my tank with 100 octane VP StreetBlaze race fuel, and take my bike down to sea level, which is a couple hours ride for me, just to experience the full 8/lbs and 260+hp worth of rear wheel power, just to live a little

Im going to UKs Dynojet HQ as ive used them before(when I had my ZX12) and they will let me keep an eye on things as the tune is being carried out.
Im starting with the base map from CL. and as ive said going for a conservative 6psi with normal fuel, and tune it to that, so that if i cant obtain proper fuel it ll be safe for what i can get for it if you see what i mean........I think if it still has 230 - 240 ill still be pretty happy!
If i get bored of that ill go for the full hog.....ooooh sorry to use that word!
To be honest ive also been thinking about sticking some proper pistons in!....I guess Ill trying and get her up and running before the weather turns and may do that over the winter.............

gilberjj Hows the project going you finish it yet? anyhows all the best mate!

Nothing is finished. This will be a winter project for me. I purchased a mitsubishi big 16g (not a chinese one). Still left to buy...

edit: I also just bought a Tial 38mm external wastegate

lock up clutch
fuel system
tune
gauges

* Last updated by: gilberjj on 9/30/2010 @ 3:37 PM *

Update:

Turbo manifold is now mounted and looks great. It fits TIGHT right now!
Tapped oil feed into my pan, but I'm looking for alternatives right now. I don't like of far the down the oil drain is on this kit. My bike is LOW when I drag race it, and I don't want to knock out the whole lower half of the bike if I come down from a wheelie too hard..... or if I just hit something becauase clearance is so bad. Also, I'd like some extra capacity of peace of mind. Running out of oil is the last thing I want to worry about.......

More on that later....

I've changed my plans a little bit, and I'm just going to aim for 250ish whp instead of 300 whp. If I get the bike on the dyno and everything looks safe, I'll continue to turn up the boost, but I figure aim low and be pleasantly surprised if it makes more instead of aiming high and being dissappointed with the results. I will be attempting to get away with a Brocks Real Street clutch setup (just springs and thick spacers). I don't know if it will hold without slipping, but I'm going to give it a shot.

Things still to do

figure out oil pan setup
modify fuel regulator
weld up external wastegate
modify downpipe
get it tuned

Things still to buy

12" over arm (SB Customs, only $500 shipped)
air filter ($30ish)
modified oil pan (tbd)
smog block off plates ($40ish)
M/T flat slick (I don't want to have to worry about traction)

Additional Notes:

As I've been told, they say figure out how much it will cost and then double it. While I know it's not going to be THAT much, there are a TON of little things that add up. For instance.
New gaskets: $50
New wastegate spring: $33
Boost controller: $20
Welding labor: TBD, but I'm estimating $200ish
Clutch setup: $60 (I'm cheap! Could be $300ish if this setup doesn't hold the power)
Tune: $250+
Smog blockoff plates: $40ish
When this is all said and done, I will completely draw up a list of every penny I've spent on this project to help people in the future figure out how much it truely costs to turbo a bike. I know I would have appreciated it!

So, mainly, turbo kits such as these are for drag racing and not every day normal street riding? For those with experience, what sort of average mpg could one see for a lesser turbo kit like, say, one only putting out 5lbs or less and will it shorten the life of the engine as do most other forced induction applications? Also, is top speed influenced at all?

Are all those serious questions???? If I added 100 hp to my motorcycle, do you think the achievable top speed would be high, slower, or stay the same? That one I'm going to leave you to figure out.
As for reliability, the zx14 has proven to be a very stable and great machine over the past couple years. It has been over-built from the factory, which helps it cope with the extra stresses from turbocharging, upping the compression, or injecting nitrous. There are several zx14 owners with 20k trouble free miles on their turboed stock motored bikes. That being said, I don't think a turboed zx14 will ever last as long as a stock zx14 simply because you stress the engine more. But unless you're wanting your engine to live over 100k miles, I'd say turbo it. Then again, nobody has ever tried to have a turbo bike live for 100k miles that I know of. Maybe the bike really can do it.
Fuel mileage all depends on the rider. If you ride it easy, you'll get as good or better mileage then stock. If you are constantly boosting it, of course you'll get worse mileage....

Turboed bikes can be great streetbikes. They are just as docile as a stock bike until you get into the throttle. Turbos and nitrous simply feed the engine more air. As long as you have the chassis, motor, and fuel capacity to cope with the extra power, you should have a reliable bike for a LONG time. Do it once, do it right.

Are all those serious questions???? If I added 100 hp to my motorcycle, do you think the achievable top speed would be high, slower, or stay the same? That one I'm going to leave you to figure out.

Really? Was there any hint of sarcasm in any of my questions? If someone doesn't know something and they ask about it, is that your standard reply or am I simply reading you wrong? Honestly, there's no need to be a dick about it. If you don't honestly know the answers, you could just say so. Since I've never owned a bike with a turbo kit, it seems quite plausible that I, among others, might want to get some answers before deciding to spend the money on one - would you disagree? Or perhaps I'm just seeing your comments all wrong? Scuse me for not being a certified mechanic. My main job is sysadmin work for NASA and I can turn a wrench for bikes and cars for minor work, but I don't possess the tools/knowledge for engine work such as this.