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Created on: 02/23/15 09:55 AM

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Rowdy14



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Zx-14 Turbo on e85 - Build Thread
02/23/15 9:55 AM

I have decided to do a turbo build of my bike, hoping to have a start to finish since it seems like there are very few (if any) posted that have the entire build! Might make it easier for someone who wants to do a similar build....

Parts List:

Boost Control: GT2860 Disco Potato (new), Tial MV-S WG, HKS Super SQV BOV.

Fuel: Return style system with a Walbro 255lph in tank fuel pump, Aeromotive 1:1 regulator, 750cc injectors from Schnitz racing, PC PCV, PC Autotune, scavenge pump (tbd),

Tuning: Schnitz

This bike is a street bike that may see the track occasionally. Last year ran 10.37 pretty much stock except coffman slip-on's. I'm 5'11" and 220 lbs so I was happy for the first time ever drag racing a motorcycle! Bike will maintain stock swingarm and suspension height. Just want a freight train on the highway that can still carve corners! Shot out to Rick Romans and Richard @ RCC for the help so far!



Received my HKS Super SQV III BOV....

More parts ordered today (2/23/15): AEM 1:1 FPR (same as Schnitz has on their site, 750cc injectors from Schnitz, frame/air filter/oil cooler blockoffs from RCC.

Still need to order e85 compatible lines an -6AN fitting, modify fuel rail, oil scavenge pump, clutch upgrade components. Talked to Ryan Schnitz today and he is confident he can tune my bike. Worth the 2.5hr drive to Fort Wayne, IN area from Detroit, MI.


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RE: Zx-14 Turbo on e85 - Build ThreadThread
02/23/15 10:32 AM

Great looking start. For future reference purposes, it might be helpful to see the step by step process if you come back to the original post to edit in the latest info. You can do that for almost a full page and then it will stop you. Most of my tutorials are short enough to to fit on one page. If you can't fit it all on page 1 by the time you finish, I can delete this reply and you could continue updates on the post right after me. That way all info is at the beginning of the thread. SO reply now and you are all set ...if you're interested in doing this like a How-To.



'08 MIDNIGHT SAPPHIRE BLUE flies out, full Tsukigi Cannon exhaust, BMC race filter, Muzzy's block off plates, Super Sprox 17t output sprocket, AFM 45t rear sprocket, EK zzz 530 chain, Gilles Tooling axle adjusters, PC5, Romans map, AT-200, Ignition Module, LCD-200, Speedohealer V4, Glow-Shift gauges, Illumiglow 210 mph clock faces, HM PLUS quickshifter, Factory Pro EVO Shift Star, RC's oil pump cover, Moto-D magnetic oil drain plug, MIT billet oil filler cap, Shorai 14A2 Lithium battery, Spiegler SS clutch and brake lines, HyperPro RSC steering damper, LighTech fuel tank cap, Vortex rearsets, lightweight mudflap bracket, FP Racing preload adjusters, Ohlins FGRT807 forks and KA544 shock, Carrazzeria Tri-R wheels, Bridgeport 90° valve stems, CZ 320mm front rotors, Galfer rear wave rotor, Pazzo levers, ProBots Dzus fasteners and many other bolts replaced with aluminum or Ti, Vortex mirror blocks, CRG bar end mirrors, LSL frame sliders, axle sliders, billet bar ends, 2WheelWorkz muffler

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Rowdy14



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RE: Zx-14 Turbo on e85 - Build ThreadThread
02/23/15 11:03 AM

I want input from others so there will be trailing comments. I will be sure to go back to original post with the build progress.

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RE: Zx-14 Turbo on e85 - Build ThreadThread
02/23/15 1:42 PM

Thanks. By all means, post how it is best to get the info you need. If the process can possibly be combined into a continuous post, that might be best for others to follow later on. I have a feeling this will be many pages of advice and questions. Good luck. I'll be following.



'08 MIDNIGHT SAPPHIRE BLUE flies out, full Tsukigi Cannon exhaust, BMC race filter, Muzzy's block off plates, Super Sprox 17t output sprocket, AFM 45t rear sprocket, EK zzz 530 chain, Gilles Tooling axle adjusters, PC5, Romans map, AT-200, Ignition Module, LCD-200, Speedohealer V4, Glow-Shift gauges, Illumiglow 210 mph clock faces, HM PLUS quickshifter, Factory Pro EVO Shift Star, RC's oil pump cover, Moto-D magnetic oil drain plug, MIT billet oil filler cap, Shorai 14A2 Lithium battery, Spiegler SS clutch and brake lines, HyperPro RSC steering damper, LighTech fuel tank cap, Vortex rearsets, lightweight mudflap bracket, FP Racing preload adjusters, Ohlins FGRT807 forks and KA544 shock, Carrazzeria Tri-R wheels, Bridgeport 90° valve stems, CZ 320mm front rotors, Galfer rear wave rotor, Pazzo levers, ProBots Dzus fasteners and many other bolts replaced with aluminum or Ti, Vortex mirror blocks, CRG bar end mirrors, LSL frame sliders, axle sliders, billet bar ends, 2WheelWorkz muffler

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RE: Zx-14 Turbo on e85 - Build ThreadThread
02/23/15 3:59 PM

Shot out to Rick Romans and Richard @ RCC for the help so far!


Hey Rowdy14 it's official. Your on board and you're more than welcome.

In my last E-Mail I sent back a reply to the next group of questions but never heard back from you. Was thinking maybe you got scared in the build sheet and Gave up. From pics I can now see your not a quitter Lol.

Will help when I can.

Cheers

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RE: Zx-14 Turbo on e85 - Build ThreadThread
02/23/15 6:40 PM

I see you have the turbo mounted. I might as well ask before this starts going way over my head. What does the SQV do? If it appears these kinds of questions are too basic, I can always start a different thread. After all, this is supposed to help you and you seem to already have at least a basic understanding.



'08 MIDNIGHT SAPPHIRE BLUE flies out, full Tsukigi Cannon exhaust, BMC race filter, Muzzy's block off plates, Super Sprox 17t output sprocket, AFM 45t rear sprocket, EK zzz 530 chain, Gilles Tooling axle adjusters, PC5, Romans map, AT-200, Ignition Module, LCD-200, Speedohealer V4, Glow-Shift gauges, Illumiglow 210 mph clock faces, HM PLUS quickshifter, Factory Pro EVO Shift Star, RC's oil pump cover, Moto-D magnetic oil drain plug, MIT billet oil filler cap, Shorai 14A2 Lithium battery, Spiegler SS clutch and brake lines, HyperPro RSC steering damper, LighTech fuel tank cap, Vortex rearsets, lightweight mudflap bracket, FP Racing preload adjusters, Ohlins FGRT807 forks and KA544 shock, Carrazzeria Tri-R wheels, Bridgeport 90° valve stems, CZ 320mm front rotors, Galfer rear wave rotor, Pazzo levers, ProBots Dzus fasteners and many other bolts replaced with aluminum or Ti, Vortex mirror blocks, CRG bar end mirrors, LSL frame sliders, axle sliders, billet bar ends, 2WheelWorkz muffler

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Rowdy14



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RE: Zx-14 Turbo on e85 - Build ThreadThread
02/23/15 7:42 PM

Rook, it's nothing more than your typical blow-off valve I found this one for $85 so I went with it. BOV's prevent compressor surge and release the air to atmosphere as soon as you get out of boost, using a signal from the charge piping...others can elaborate more but that's the jist-of-it...

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Rowdy14



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RE: Zx-14 Turbo on e85 - Build ThreadThread
02/23/15 7:50 PM

Hey Rowdy14 it's official. Your on board and you're more than welcome.

In my last E-Mail I sent back a reply to the next group of questions but never heard back from you. Was thinking maybe you got scared in the build sheet and Gave up. From pics I can now see your not a quitter Lol.

Will help when I can.

Cheers

Rick, of course I'm not giving up. Just had to pull the trigger and drop $1k on the turbo then start building the bike!

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RE: Zx-14 Turbo on e85 - Build ThreadThread
02/26/15 9:41 AM

start building the bike!

So what stage are you at now ?

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RE: Zx-14 Turbo on e85 - Build ThreadThread
02/26/15 10:40 AM

Thanks for explanation of the blow off valve. The abbreviation is what threw me on that one. Be interested to see how it fits into the setup.



'08 MIDNIGHT SAPPHIRE BLUE flies out, full Tsukigi Cannon exhaust, BMC race filter, Muzzy's block off plates, Super Sprox 17t output sprocket, AFM 45t rear sprocket, EK zzz 530 chain, Gilles Tooling axle adjusters, PC5, Romans map, AT-200, Ignition Module, LCD-200, Speedohealer V4, Glow-Shift gauges, Illumiglow 210 mph clock faces, HM PLUS quickshifter, Factory Pro EVO Shift Star, RC's oil pump cover, Moto-D magnetic oil drain plug, MIT billet oil filler cap, Shorai 14A2 Lithium battery, Spiegler SS clutch and brake lines, HyperPro RSC steering damper, LighTech fuel tank cap, Vortex rearsets, lightweight mudflap bracket, FP Racing preload adjusters, Ohlins FGRT807 forks and KA544 shock, Carrazzeria Tri-R wheels, Bridgeport 90° valve stems, CZ 320mm front rotors, Galfer rear wave rotor, Pazzo levers, ProBots Dzus fasteners and many other bolts replaced with aluminum or Ti, Vortex mirror blocks, CRG bar end mirrors, LSL frame sliders, axle sliders, billet bar ends, 2WheelWorkz muffler

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RE: Zx-14 Turbo on e85 - Build ThreadThread
02/26/15 11:35 PM

Rook pic shows how BOV fits on home built kit

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RE: Zx-14 Turbo on e85 - Build ThreadThread
02/27/15 5:00 AM

I see how this works. You have your turbo forcing air up to the airbox. There needs to be a certain amount of air pressure to match fuel demand. If the turbo is producing too much flow for one reason or another, the BOV opens like a pressure cooker. I've heard that on cars. CHHHHH -CHHHHHH- CHHHHHH Can you hear that on a bike?



'08 MIDNIGHT SAPPHIRE BLUE flies out, full Tsukigi Cannon exhaust, BMC race filter, Muzzy's block off plates, Super Sprox 17t output sprocket, AFM 45t rear sprocket, EK zzz 530 chain, Gilles Tooling axle adjusters, PC5, Romans map, AT-200, Ignition Module, LCD-200, Speedohealer V4, Glow-Shift gauges, Illumiglow 210 mph clock faces, HM PLUS quickshifter, Factory Pro EVO Shift Star, RC's oil pump cover, Moto-D magnetic oil drain plug, MIT billet oil filler cap, Shorai 14A2 Lithium battery, Spiegler SS clutch and brake lines, HyperPro RSC steering damper, LighTech fuel tank cap, Vortex rearsets, lightweight mudflap bracket, FP Racing preload adjusters, Ohlins FGRT807 forks and KA544 shock, Carrazzeria Tri-R wheels, Bridgeport 90° valve stems, CZ 320mm front rotors, Galfer rear wave rotor, Pazzo levers, ProBots Dzus fasteners and many other bolts replaced with aluminum or Ti, Vortex mirror blocks, CRG bar end mirrors, LSL frame sliders, axle sliders, billet bar ends, 2WheelWorkz muffler

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RE: Zx-14 Turbo on e85 - Build ThreadThread
02/27/15 7:18 AM

Can you hear that on a bike?
Yes and no. Was really loud on my old system as the boost pressure on lift would back up to the Turbo as I had no BOV. With The New TIAL installed quiet in comparison. With low boost, not that big a deal.


My sled is currently running over 24lbs of Boost. The Blow off on that makes Phhhhhhhhhhh , "All The Bloody Time" through the woods. Very cool and annoying at the same time Yep, getting older.


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RE: Zx-14 Turbo on e85 - Build ThreadThread
02/27/15 7:32 AM

That could get a bit tiresome but as is often said, "there's always a tradeoff." Personally I'd think it would be as exciting as hell to hear the blowoff sound slow down and stop as the motor climbed in revs.



'08 MIDNIGHT SAPPHIRE BLUE flies out, full Tsukigi Cannon exhaust, BMC race filter, Muzzy's block off plates, Super Sprox 17t output sprocket, AFM 45t rear sprocket, EK zzz 530 chain, Gilles Tooling axle adjusters, PC5, Romans map, AT-200, Ignition Module, LCD-200, Speedohealer V4, Glow-Shift gauges, Illumiglow 210 mph clock faces, HM PLUS quickshifter, Factory Pro EVO Shift Star, RC's oil pump cover, Moto-D magnetic oil drain plug, MIT billet oil filler cap, Shorai 14A2 Lithium battery, Spiegler SS clutch and brake lines, HyperPro RSC steering damper, LighTech fuel tank cap, Vortex rearsets, lightweight mudflap bracket, FP Racing preload adjusters, Ohlins FGRT807 forks and KA544 shock, Carrazzeria Tri-R wheels, Bridgeport 90° valve stems, CZ 320mm front rotors, Galfer rear wave rotor, Pazzo levers, ProBots Dzus fasteners and many other bolts replaced with aluminum or Ti, Vortex mirror blocks, CRG bar end mirrors, LSL frame sliders, axle sliders, billet bar ends, 2WheelWorkz muffler

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RE: Zx-14 Turbo on e85 - Build ThreadThread
02/27/15 7:32 AM

I've heard that on cars. CHHHHH -CHHHHHH- CHHHHHH

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RE: Zx-14 Turbo on e85 - Build ThreadThread
02/27/15 8:53 AM

Yup that's it! The valve has to blow between gears when you're off the throttle. The ones I heard were blowing off just like a pressure cooker. That was cars doing gymkahana. All first gear pretty much. Maybe they set the boost lower so the BOV was activated even while on the gas.

Well, anyway, I'd like to hear my 14 make that noise.



'08 MIDNIGHT SAPPHIRE BLUE flies out, full Tsukigi Cannon exhaust, BMC race filter, Muzzy's block off plates, Super Sprox 17t output sprocket, AFM 45t rear sprocket, EK zzz 530 chain, Gilles Tooling axle adjusters, PC5, Romans map, AT-200, Ignition Module, LCD-200, Speedohealer V4, Glow-Shift gauges, Illumiglow 210 mph clock faces, HM PLUS quickshifter, Factory Pro EVO Shift Star, RC's oil pump cover, Moto-D magnetic oil drain plug, MIT billet oil filler cap, Shorai 14A2 Lithium battery, Spiegler SS clutch and brake lines, HyperPro RSC steering damper, LighTech fuel tank cap, Vortex rearsets, lightweight mudflap bracket, FP Racing preload adjusters, Ohlins FGRT807 forks and KA544 shock, Carrazzeria Tri-R wheels, Bridgeport 90° valve stems, CZ 320mm front rotors, Galfer rear wave rotor, Pazzo levers, ProBots Dzus fasteners and many other bolts replaced with aluminum or Ti, Vortex mirror blocks, CRG bar end mirrors, LSL frame sliders, axle sliders, billet bar ends, 2WheelWorkz muffler

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RE: Zx-14 Turbo on e85 - Build ThreadThread
02/28/15 1:39 PM

Maybe they set the boost lower so the BOV was activated even while on the gas.

Not really how it works. Think of it simply. I'll take a shot.

Turbo only makes Boost under load. Once full boost has been made there comes a time when you must shift gears. So, you let off the gas to shift. This closes the throttle plates. With throttle plates closed all that pressure that is in the system must equalise. With the hot side not driving the compressor under lift, the pressure expands out to any place it can find. Blow off valve would open here.

If you have No BOV you will here a whirp whirp Flutter as the pressure heads backwards back to the turbo, looking for a out. Now this slamming back forth of pressure is hard on the turbo. This stalls the rotation in the compressor and possibly makes it run backwards(stall). Now when you get back on the gas you have to wait for turbo to spool up again(LAG).

Idea is to blow off the pressure before it heads back wards. Set up properly the new systems try and maintain 3 or 4 psi after the intercooler. So when you get back on the power some boost already in the system.

All really cool stuff. More new tech coming Fast. Ford predicted 15% of sales would be ECO Boost. Wrong, over 55% of all F-150s ordered with Boost option. Manufactures predict 70% of all vehicles will have turbos by 2018.

C'Mon Rook we need ya on team Boooost. Rook tutorial.

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RE: Zx-14 Turbo on e85 - Build ThreadThread
03/01/15 5:46 PM

C'Mon Rook we need ya on team Boooost. Rook tutorial.

It'll happen one day but way out of my pocketbook range now. I have Somefun's NOS waiting to go on the 14 now. Purchased last winter. That's as far as I can go for now. My dream is to turbo the busa some day and if I like it enough, maybe the 14, too (unless it makes a NOS pooter and goes )



'08 MIDNIGHT SAPPHIRE BLUE flies out, full Tsukigi Cannon exhaust, BMC race filter, Muzzy's block off plates, Super Sprox 17t output sprocket, AFM 45t rear sprocket, EK zzz 530 chain, Gilles Tooling axle adjusters, PC5, Romans map, AT-200, Ignition Module, LCD-200, Speedohealer V4, Glow-Shift gauges, Illumiglow 210 mph clock faces, HM PLUS quickshifter, Factory Pro EVO Shift Star, RC's oil pump cover, Moto-D magnetic oil drain plug, MIT billet oil filler cap, Shorai 14A2 Lithium battery, Spiegler SS clutch and brake lines, HyperPro RSC steering damper, LighTech fuel tank cap, Vortex rearsets, lightweight mudflap bracket, FP Racing preload adjusters, Ohlins FGRT807 forks and KA544 shock, Carrazzeria Tri-R wheels, Bridgeport 90° valve stems, CZ 320mm front rotors, Galfer rear wave rotor, Pazzo levers, ProBots Dzus fasteners and many other bolts replaced with aluminum or Ti, Vortex mirror blocks, CRG bar end mirrors, LSL frame sliders, axle sliders, billet bar ends, 2WheelWorkz muffler

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RE: Zx-14 Turbo on e85 - Build ThreadThread
03/02/15 5:09 AM

Rowdy any progress on the weekend ?

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slowturbo14



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RE: Zx-14 Turbo on e85 - Build ThreadThread
06/07/15 10:23 PM

Pretty similar to what I use to run. Any updates on this build?

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RE: Zx-14 Turbo on e85 - Build ThreadThread
06/09/15 6:08 AM

Pretty similar to what I use to run

You ran a turbo hanging from a bungee cord.


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slowturbo14



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RE: Zx-14 Turbo on e85 - Build ThreadThread
06/09/15 3:55 PM

Yes sir!! Bungee cords and duct tape! Never could get it to make boost for some reason.

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Rowdy14



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RE: Zx-14 Turbo on e85 - Build ThreadThread
06/09/15 4:44 PM

You guys are hilarious! All fabrication is done and the bike runs. Now it's time to tune it. I am going to take the bike to Schnitz Racing because Ryan is confident he can tune it.

I am running their 750cc injectors...







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RE: Zx-14 Turbo on e85 - Build ThreadThread
06/09/15 9:38 PM



'08 MIDNIGHT SAPPHIRE BLUE flies out, full Tsukigi Cannon exhaust, BMC race filter, Muzzy's block off plates, Super Sprox 17t output sprocket, AFM 45t rear sprocket, EK zzz 530 chain, Gilles Tooling axle adjusters, PC5, Romans map, AT-200, Ignition Module, LCD-200, Speedohealer V4, Glow-Shift gauges, Illumiglow 210 mph clock faces, HM PLUS quickshifter, Factory Pro EVO Shift Star, RC's oil pump cover, Moto-D magnetic oil drain plug, MIT billet oil filler cap, Shorai 14A2 Lithium battery, Spiegler SS clutch and brake lines, HyperPro RSC steering damper, LighTech fuel tank cap, Vortex rearsets, lightweight mudflap bracket, FP Racing preload adjusters, Ohlins FGRT807 forks and KA544 shock, Carrazzeria Tri-R wheels, Bridgeport 90° valve stems, CZ 320mm front rotors, Galfer rear wave rotor, Pazzo levers, ProBots Dzus fasteners and many other bolts replaced with aluminum or Ti, Vortex mirror blocks, CRG bar end mirrors, LSL frame sliders, axle sliders, billet bar ends, 2WheelWorkz muffler

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Rowdy14



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RE: Zx-14 Turbo on e85 - Build ThreadThread
06/30/15 7:13 PM

Update for all. I finally got the bike to Schnitz. Tuned on e85 made 253whp @ 6psi safely. 2nd gear roll-on wheelies are a blast. SO ADDICTED to BOOST. Must. Have. More.

I knew this bike would but fun but gawwwdd dayummmm.....

Will try to post the dyno graphs and keep you all posted as I up the boost to 8psi. Might toss out the autotune for an AEM failsafe setup but we'll see.

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