But orange could be for going and stopping? Ever thought about it like that? Brakes really don't have anything do with suspension. I can see gold forks = gold shocks. But I can't see gold forks = gold shocks = gold calipers. The engine bolts to the frame...why isn't it gold?

No offense, but gold is a fairly typical color and i think like you said you could get Brembos in gold. Why not take advantage all their color varieties and get something really blingy?

Too much gold isn't a good thing.

OMG you're serious, aren't you, Vic!!! LOL I thought you must be pulling my leg.

But orange could be for going and stopping? Ever thought about it like that?

No, surely you jest.

No offense, but gold is a fairly typical color and i think like you said you could get Brembos in gold.

Yeah, i know everybody goes for gold. A bunch of gold reminds me of a ghetto cruiser from the 90s. That is the reason i stayed away from it altogether at first. Then I saw how nice it goes with the warm gray frame color. Toom much gold is not a good thing but too much of everything is even worse. Compared to my initial photoshop mockups, I leaning more on the conservative side now. The bike is about as busy with different color themes as I want it to be. I'm trying to compartmentalize them at least.

Why not take advantage all their color varieties and get something really blingy?

Maybe purple?

LOL no, gold. It will contrast with the blue wheels and match the gold stuff without adding to the disarray. Orange is just engine covers and white is just the white stripes. might paint my foreman fins white but that is really it.

Or to say, orange = x movement (forward/backward), gold = y movement (up/down), and blue = bodywork.

Purple would be pretty cool, something that IMO would be more eye catching than gold. I mean look, if you're going for bling you have to get something different than gold. It's a color no one will really notice.

Now i see it! All parts should be color coded. All i need to do is think of a unique color to represent each part's function.

Rook, sorry for the late response. I'm trying to get more info on what rotor thickness the Beringer caliper is made for.. The Japan web-bike site has a listing for a few different brackets, I'm sure one will fit...
The 100mm caliper mount spacing is for Italian bikes, I think ours are 108mm. (zx14s without brembo calipers are 108, with brembo they have 100mm spacing with new fork mounts)
The rear wave rotor still seems heavy to me so I'm trying to find a sample of a titanium rear rotor on Aliba. I've been looking at the carbon ceramic rotors from Sicom but the money is just never going to be there for some of these parts.
I'm trying to find a matching set of master cylinders that I can mount crg carbon fiber levers on but I can't seem to find any clutch masters that will match my stock brake master.

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I'm trying to get more info on what rotor thickness the Beringer caliper is made for..

The 100mm caliper mount spacing is for Italian bikes, I think ours are 108mm.

The Japan web-bike site has a listing for a few different brackets, I'm sure one will fit...

I've been looking at the carbon ceramic rotors from Sicom but the money is just never going to be there for some of these parts.

$3400 for CF rotors!!!! You are a madman! I don't think the money is going to be there for any but 1/10 of 1% of us. CF replacement parts!!! SHEESH!

I'm trying to find a matching set of master cylinders that I can mount crg carbon fiber levers on but I can't seem to find any clutch masters that will match my stock brake master.

I'm not so sure it would be easy to find pads for Beringers. Never saw that brand listed when shopping for brake pads. Do you have any idea what pads are purchased to replace the ones that come in the Beringers? Same as those for the OEM ZX-14 caliper????

You are right Rook. The calipers do self adjust, but at least my new rear rotor at >5.4mm seems pretty thick, I'm trying to make sure that the petite Beringer calipers will clear it ok.
Front calipers mounts are 108 (100 for brembo bikes), rear would be the 84mm brembo setup. Haven't measured the stock mount yet. (Stock close to 100mm rear)
It looks like the Beringer calipers could be improved with titanium bolts/fittings. :)
I haven't found any info on their brake pads, but I'd imagine they are proprietary. :/

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my new rear rotor at >4.2mm seems pretty thick, I'm trying to make sure that the petite Beringer calipers will clear it ok.

I haven't found any info on their brake pads, but I'd imagine they are proprietary. :/

http://www.pilotshop.com/catalog/lgpages/brbrakepads.php?utm_source=google&utm_medium=cse&utm_term=06-01648&gclid=Cj0KEQiA-_HDBRD2lomhoufc1JkBEiQA0TVMmo6DyJTWEndrxxGlkCbeOUt4Y6h5fGBoPgD_fw6CMKIaAj4n8P8HAQ

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Just sent a rotor thickness for 2D1 query to Beringer USA. The message received notification was all in French. LOL I expected it would be English since it was Beringer USA. Oh well, the French are good about communicating in English for us. LoL they want me to click a link to ensure delivery of my message though! I'm sure this is asking for unwanted emails so I will just sit back and wait.

Cool, if you go to Superbike Unlimited and enlarge the image of the 2D1, you can see the purple one on its side is showing that the pads open plenty wide to hold any motorcycle rotor.

I'm about ready to buy these as soon as i mull over the rear bracket replacement.

The only other mount I see on Web!ke is the Kohken Denka and that to me looks the same as the plain old active mount. You have the assurance that the Denka is aluminum so guaranteed lowest weight. The plain Jane does not lisyt the material and does not say anodized so my guess is it is probably not alum. Read the ads. You place the order, you cannot cancel, cannot return. It's your's baby.

I'm leaning toward the Denka because it comes in gold. Another $67 for something other than black.

I got a response on the rotor thickness, should be just fine they said.
My galfer rear measures about 5.4mm wide.
Will try to get a recommendation from the web bike store on the best mount for my application. I'm sure they are all aluminum. I dont mind modifying the mount a little, but I'd like to buy one with the abs sensor mount.

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I got a response on the rotor thickness, should be just fine they said.

I'd like to buy one with the abs sensor mount.

Thanks Rook.

I haven't heard of anyone adding abs before, that would be really unique. :)

It may not be possible without switching to a Gen2 ECU and engine. it seems more feasible to just get a Gen2.

I'm looking into weights of the Denka v the Active mount. Based on looks, I'd say the Active is lighter. The Denka is probably forged aluminum which will be stronger but I'm sure a bit heavier too. I don't pay more for heavier.

Hey Cool-- you register on japan.webike, you get a thousand yen off any order placed in the next 30 days. that's about 8 bucks.

Waiting to hear back on weight of Denka v Active. I guess I sent the message on Friday night in Japan so probaly hear back Sunday in the US.

Just realized the Beringer rear caliper will have the logo upside down. It's for a top mount bracket. I will ask if I can get mine with the logo situated for a bottom mount.

Goldfren definitely does make brake pads for the front calipers.

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carts loaded. standing by for status of logo orientation and bracket weights.

does nobody give a shit about my lightweight brakes?

Thank you for your inquiry.

According to the distributor regarding to the item you are inquiring,
the weight of this item is about 560g including the package body contained accessories (2 bolts and adjusting shim).

Also, this item is compatible with ZX-14R(Non ABS model) till year 2011 model.
Therefore it is mountable on your motorcycle.

Thank you for your consideration.

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Item No: KOK-1414-OR
http://japan.webike.net/products/21400462.html
*It will take about ?10 days to get ready to ship from our warehouse if you make an order today.

*Please notice that the stock status and the delivery date above might be changed according to the timing of your placing an order.
We will let you know the delivery date again by e-mail about 3 days after the order date.
Thank you for your understanding.

We are looking forward to your order.

Please feel free to ask us if you have any other questions.
We are looking forward to serving you.

Best regards?
Webike staff

I heard back from Webike on the Denka. Almost 1 pound, 4 oz total. Bolts are probably good for about 1 oz and the packaging about the same. I think i will need the spacer which is probably another oz. This thing must weigh about 1 lb 1 oz. From my recollection, the stock bracket is pretty heavy. Over 2 lbs I think.

Hope to hear back about the Active mount today. I like the color options of the Denka but I am a bit worried about ordering gold. I once ordered a gold part from Asia and it was a feint brown color like a weak copper. Also not thrilled with anodized colors from Asia four other times...and i think that covers everything I ever ordered from Asia. These were all inexpensive items though. This bracket is not far off from what i'd expect to pay in the US so maybe they are going higher end on the anodizing.

Interesting the difference in tone between Asian suppliers and US. I can say I always felt communicating with suppliers from Asia has been very polite and very respectful. I guess we cut through all that in the US. I'm not bitching because I know this is just how we do email but do you think they might add a couple details like how to go about ordering logo inversion?? Another email, another day.

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Thank you for front caliper part #s. Looks like pads are made for those by Goldfren and EBC.

For the Beringer 2D1 rear caliper (which I plan to fit with aftermarket bracket for 84 mm hole spacing), would it be possible to special order one of those with the Beringer logo rotated 180 degrees? The ZX-14 has a bottom mounted rear brake caliper. If the 2D1 with logo as shown in your pic is mounted to a bottom mount bracket, the logo will be upside down.

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Yes, we would supply it that way.

So it looks like the Beringer logo can be cut to be positioned right side up for top and bottom mount calipers.

Now I hope to get the info on the Active mount weight. I don't think it can be a lot different than the Denka. Probably the same thing with the rib shifted over to look a little different and color choice.

I got word from Webike on the Active bracket. They don't say "with packaging" and there's no mention of the spacer.

According to the distributor regarding to the item you are inquiring,
the weight including bolts is less than 400g.
Thank you for your consideration.

[ The product page link ]
http://japan.webike.net/products/21312328.html
*It will take about ? 4 days? to get ready to ship from our warehouse if you make an order today.

400 g is 14.11 oz

Throw in 1 oz for spacer and you got 15.11 oz

The Denka is 19.75 oz for the whole package so if the packaging is more elaborate or includes a corrugated cardboard box, it might be the same weight as the Active. i think the safer buy is going with the Active but i really like that Denka.

On the Beringer calipers, inverted logo is available on the 2D1 for bottom or top mount calipers. It seems there are 2 different models of Beringer front calipers that will fit the ZX-14. There is no specific info about this that I can find but it appears that one model may be a 4 pot and the other a 6 pot caliper. That's what I see in the superbike unlimited pics but no text identifying it as such. Beringers site has both models but the pic is exactly the same for both.

No reply from Superbike Unlimited on this. I will call them tomorrow. You would think they would want to close this easy sale and get it over with but i have only gotten three replies, each one sentence, one with typo on part # and no reply today. I guess you gotta work hard to buy stuff from people sometimes. Ihave a small amount of trepidation concerning tech support in the future to be perfectly honest.

The Kohken Denka below.

The Active seems to possibly be cut a tiny bit deeper... maybe. The anti-lock sensor bung adds some bulk but this also has 3 holes. It also arches up between the caliper bolts like the OEM where the Denka goes straight across. The arch alone would account for about 1.5 oz of metal. Cut a bit deeper (if it is) and that would be an oz.

Also, it is not very apparent from the pic of the Denka above but a couple other pics on the site seem to indicate there is a third rib along the rear edge. That's another oz.

Ordered the Beringer rear in titanium. Chose the Active mount as it had the only pics and description that seemed to indicate compatibility with abs. I dont like the extra spacer that is shown with the Active bracket, eventually I'll try to modify the bracket to eliminate the spacer
It looks like the rear brake line will now be at least an inch too long. :/