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Thread: The truth behind the "Cblast" flash

Created on: 12/05/16 03:44 PM

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VicThing


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RE: The truth behind the "Cblast" flash
12/20/16 5:42 PM

But then Victhing's looong thread comes along showing no gains, and Cblast never appeared to defend his product.

Now, like cruderudy, I'm also wondering if Victhing was testing stock vs a stock.

Anyway, I probably would've made out fine, as most seem to have, but now I'm really glad I didn't buy from Cblast.

Well it's not fair to assume "stock vs. a stock." Some modification was made to the ECU, it was definitely flashed as all the functional properties that were supposed changed (RL +500, TSL removed, remmember KTRC). My ECU was flashed in I think March'15, so it's even likely the flash itself was performed by Nels. At least to say, 100% certain this was before whatever happened between CBlast and Nels with the theft and dissappearance.

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RE: The truth behind the "Cblast" flash
12/26/16 7:30 AM

The 3D mathematics line is hilarious....the Jeffo of flashing. and all the testimonials. I am laughing looking back at this CBLast thing now. At least no ones bike blew up...

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joegdi



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RE: The truth behind the "Cblast" flash
12/26/16 10:26 AM

There is a web site called "getcblased.com" that appears to be operated by the cblast life form. The site even has a forum and at its entry point there is a picture of two individuals standing in front of a large trailer with the name "Nels Byersdorf" on it. I suppose these two guys are "cblast" and Nels. At least that's my assumption. The site's forum does not look like it has much "action". No surprise there.

Anyway, if you're interested, have a look.

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RE: The truth behind the "Cblast" flash
12/26/16 12:21 PM

Yep!



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RE: The truth behind the "Cblast" flash
12/27/16 7:56 AM



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RE: The truth behind the "Cblast" flash
12/27/16 11:37 AM

Well there can be no doubt where Nell's Lap Top is located. This Wrong on so many levels. Greed. Can Nell's Sue for using his image, Lap Top files etc ? Clear case of fraud, Easy to prove.Link To Site Click

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RE: The truth behind the "Cblast" flash
12/27/16 2:22 PM

Who knows, the site may have been there for a few years now. Looks a little generic. Might be free or almost free. No real reason to take it down. I imagine he might still get an order now and again. ..although if he does, Nels should be involved. Both their names are on the product at that site.



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RE: The truth behind the "Cblast" flash
12/27/16 11:27 PM

That's just fucked up!
Yeah Nel's has moved on to a new location. Not even located where this pic was taken. He is sharing shop space with OPRT(Optimum Performance Rider Training)Great non profit track day and training sponsor here in the northwest. Planning to have Nel's dyno and update my tune in the next couple weeks just to see what my bike does and if he sees anything that he thinks he can tweak or improve.
Wish there was a way to shut Sebastian down or at least flag his site.
Dave


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Kruz


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RE: The truth behind the "Cblast" flash
12/28/16 8:59 AM

Maybe we could put a contract out on him, I know a couple of wise guys named Bruno and Guido that.......



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RE: The truth behind the "Cblast" flash
12/28/16 11:04 AM

Bad karma and a fast powerful motorcycle in the PNW (wet roads) may apply in this situation?



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RE: The truth behind the "Cblast" flash
12/28/16 3:14 PM

Let's not even go there Rudy, I was just kidding....



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RE: The truth behind the "Cblast" flash
12/29/16 12:25 PM

I chatted with this Sebastian a while back and didn't like the feeling I got off him. This proves it. I did have a conversation with Nels as he was recommended by the only 2 people I let touch my bikes. I will be seeing Nels this spring as he lives about 15min away!

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Hub


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RE: The truth behind the "Cblast" flash
12/29/16 5:35 PM

The 3D mathematics line is hilarious....the Jeffo of flashing. and all the testimonials. I am laughing looking back at this CBLast thing now. At least no ones bike blew up...

Ah yes, the good old days about the fifty dollar tuning package. Spark Plugs not included. 'You had to be there' everyday to follow it... a classic thread if you did, IMO.

Remember when most of us did not know the happenings going on behind the scenes, but all that alleged speculation about maps being grafted from other tuners; was part of the theory? I have Romes to thank for getting me back on this site. I guess my arguments with the master blaster didn't fit too well at the time.

Maybe I can see it from where I'm sitting [is why I sign off like I do].
"The Hand" = Way back when, did I not work that pseudonym for someone that I knew could cut a light?
Ivan = Figured out the DTT machine and 'Did That Trick' work as per shop manual?
Jeffo = You can't performance tune a snowflake from your state, some 49 states away... spark plugs not included.
C = Blasted me right out of the tub and Romes to the rescue.

Signed,
NOLTT [when the turtle walks the talks] shit is when the shit hits the fan do I take your ass is for a ride down laughter lane... if not laughing at my own lame-petty-pitiful jokes myself.



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RE: The truth behind the "Cblast" flash
12/29/16 8:06 PM



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2wheeldynoworks


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RE: The truth behind the "Cblast" flash
12/30/16 10:30 AM

Hey guys,
I'm sorry for the delay in messaging. I had an ankle rebuild surgery and I have been down for over 2 weeks now. I'm finally clear headed enough to start helping again.
We have had three ECUs sent back now with problems. We have found the problems very quickly and I was able to fix them. I did not charge for this fix and I also paid the return shipping. I am trying to build trust in the community. I had one of the guys say there was a huge problem because now it only wants to wheelie!!! There was SERIOUS issues with the flashes. This confirms Sebastian has been modifying my tunes. One of the ECUs had a dangerous amount of fuel taken away. I'm happy the customer contacted me and we were able to get his bike running the way it was supposed to. It truly makes me worry about the rest of the flashes performed. At this point I THINK he took possession of the laptop around March of 2015. Anyone who had their ECU flashed and wants to have it checked/updated/questions, please contact me. Nels@2wheeldynoworks.com. I have decided to fix these potential issues at just the cost of return shipping. I want to make sure, the guys who trusted will get support and did not waste money. Hopefully this will also encourage new guys to get their ECUs flashed and enjoy the difference. I have a ton of dyno graphs to post but I am recovering with my family out of town. Over the next few weeks I will be sharing our daily performance work. It should be fun to see the variety of motorcycles and results.
We are having an end of year sale on all flashes. Please feel free to contact with any questions. Thanks, Nels



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Kruz


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RE: The truth behind the "Cblast" flash
12/30/16 10:52 AM

Ahh yes Hub, the Jeffo tuning saga, give me $50 and your cell phone number and I will dial-a-tune your ride to perfection....lol! There's one born every minute, classic stuff, especially Monster 14's tune that imitated a flame thrower before it fluffed the plugs.

http://www.zxforums.com/forums/zx-14-forum/38710-jeffo-map-vs-dyno-tune.html


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RE: The truth behind the "Cblast" flash
12/30/16 11:23 AM

Anyone who had their ECU flashed and wants to have it checked/updated/questions, please contact me. Nels@2wheeldynoworks.com. I have decided to fix these potential issues at just the cost of return shipping. I want to make sure, the guys who trusted will get support and did not waste money. Hopefully this will also encourage new guys to get their ECUs flashed and enjoy the difference.

You're A-1, Nels. That goes beyond integrity.



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RE: The truth behind the "Cblast" flash
12/30/16 12:31 PM

"Ahh yes Hub, the Jeffo tuning saga, give me $50 and your cell phone number and I will dial-a-tune your ride to perfection....lol! There's one born every minute"...how COULD you Romes!!!...hey,I went for it...what the hell.No harm done;).

He was a really nice guy...I liked him...wasn't exactly killer.but okay I guess.(KEY WORD.."GUESS"(as usual!)

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Hub


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RE: The truth behind the "Cblast" flash
12/30/16 3:12 PM

This confirms Sebastian has been modifying my tunes. One of the ECUs had a dangerous amount of fuel taken away.

That's that 3-D mathematics... who needs a dyno.



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joegdi



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RE: The truth behind the "Cblast" flash
12/30/16 4:18 PM

I know I have asked for this data before, so here goes again and maybe my request will bear fruit. Perhaps Nels has it already on one of his dyno charts. I'm an older (old really - 69 - yikes!) guy that rides my 2013 14r briskly but not too insanely. I'm really interested in torque gains that can be had in the lower gears (2nd and 3rd primarily) in the 3K to 5K range. I've read in many places that KHI deliberately keeps the secondary throttle plates partially closed in the lower gears/lower RPMs and, given that, the ECU flash purveyors claim that they really tap into considerable increased torque in the lower gears in the 3-5K range. To that end I sure would like to see some dyno charts that compare a bike with a stock ECU against a flashed ECU with the both of them doing a pull between 2 and 5 thousand RPM while the bike is in second and/or third gear. If the flashed ECU conclusively shows as substantial increase in torque in those lower gears in that RPM range when compared to stock that would be exciting (well, to me anyway). Now, I realize tire/drum wheel spin will be a problem when the engine gets into the meat of its power band but my hope is at those lower RPMs the engine's power output wouldn't overwhelm the tire/drum connection.

My skepticism around this whole lower gear/increased torque issue stems from the work Victhing did with his stock versus cblasted ECU timed acceleration tests. He did what I consider to be carefully measured pulls in 3rd (purportedly a power limited gear) and 4th gears (questionable power limitation - I dunno). He found that the stock ECU actually slightly outperformed the cblasted ECU. So, in 3rd gear anyway, if cblast did right by opening the secondary throttle plates more than stock that modification showed no real world benefit. Hence my interest in some measured data that shows otherwise.

Sorry to keep beating on this semi dead horse, but if there really is a significant lower gear/low RPM torque benefit to be had, it should be measurable. Second and 3rd gear dyno charts please.

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RE: The truth behind the "Cblast" flash
12/30/16 9:30 PM

hey,I went for it...what the hell.No harm done;).

No sweat Grn, I annied up $50 to Jeffo also, a bunch of us did, live an learn. I can't remember what it ran like it's been so long ago, that was on my old '07 CBR1000RR. I don't recall it running too bad except it seemed to overheat so I pulled it out and went back in with the standard Dyno Jet map off their website and that served me well.

I've had two tunes that were really good and both came from Ivan the Terrible... oh no, I think I hear Hub coming....lol!



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RE: The truth behind the "Cblast" flash
12/31/16 3:58 AM

Any reputable professional will tell you that you cannot feel anything less than a 10% change. It's just like when you run down the 1/4 feeling you're on your new best run only to find you're 2/10ths away. Your mind, your body, simply cannot tell the difference. Think about this, you gain or lose 5 lbs. On your bike, there's no way you're going to feel it be slightly faster or slower, although it will be. 20 lbs? You might feel that making a little difference but even then it'll barely be perceptible. After all, 20 lbs is generally considered to be about a tenth in the quarter. You can't feel a tenth in the quarter in a 9-10 second run.

You're bikes making 190 hp stock on your guys dyno down the street. You're not going to feel a difference until you get to around 210 (or 170). Now, here's the thing, even at that point it's just telling a difference NOT that it "pulls way harder now". I don't really know what a 10% increase throughout the powerband would result in lowering 1/4 mile times (or increasing rate of acceleration) but most likely it would probably be around a 10th or two. It's not going to make a 9.5 second bike a 8.5 second bike! 10% is where it's going to become perceptible, it doesn't necessarily mean it's going to feel drastically different (at 10%). And there is not one flash tune that increases power 10% throughout the power band, usually somewhere around 3-7% and that's usually with an exhaust change.

This is why performance improvements should not be measured on a dyno sheet. Take your dyno sheets and put them through the shredder. Dyno readout doesn't really mean anything at all. Back to the first sentence in the last paragraph. You're bikes making 190 hp stock, most likely measured on a static dyno. You get an ECU tune on that static dyno, and now your dyno readout is showing 202hp. So you put it on the street, well what happens now when ram air effect starts? It's going to throw that tune off. Now again, we're really talking small differences, ram air, no ram air, we're playing with 3% not 20%. We're talking about differences you can't really feel anyway! Maybe, at lower speeds < 80 mph ram air isn't doing anything. This is why if you want to talk about performance (particularly acceleration) you should NOT post dyno charts as evidence of your bike being faster. All a dyno chart is proof that on a dyno your bike measured differently than it did before.

Like I've said before, don't be surprised when you run some test and find out your real world numbers haven't really changed, because they're not going to, especially in some significant manner. I mean the greatest tuning package ("pipes and a jet kit") is going to be worth at most a tenth or two (two is pushing it...REALLY pushing it). There's no 1/2 second gain in a tune. It's just not going to happen, and for all the fan fair bullshit people posted here about their new flashes (from anyone) pulling their arms out of their sockets it's just been ridiculous for someone with some sense to read and try to understand what's going through these people's heads.

We've seen actual testing that basically showed OE = Cblast = Guhls, all within a tenth of each other. That means more than all the dyno chart bullshit ever posted by everyone in the history of the internet.


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skewedTotheLeft



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RE: The truth behind the "Cblast" flash
12/31/16 7:45 AM

Nice Job Vic dem boyz b wastn dem $$$. Hey wait, I resemble "dem boyz" LOL!



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VicThing


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RE: The truth behind the "Cblast" flash
12/31/16 8:18 AM

Nice Job Vic dem boyz b wastn dem $$$. Hey wait, I resemble "dem boyz" LOL!

So tell me, exactly how much faster is your bike after the flash?

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RE: The truth behind the "Cblast" flash
12/31/16 11:00 AM

So tell me, exactly how much faster is your bike after the flash?

Vic, I could tell a difference from stock to full exhaust and the PCV. That was about an 18 horsepower gain for me. But I could tell absolutely no difference when I got the Guhl flash. Nothing whatsoever. The only advantage I could tell after the flash was that I could hold 3rd past the finish line without worrying about hitting the limiter through the 1/8. The Guhl flash bumps up the limiter intervention by 500 rpms.



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