Was wondering if anyone can give some input on the TRE....To notice any performance gains with a TRE do you have to buy the additional ignition timing box to plug into the PCV or just install the IVAN's TRE.....

Also wondering if any performance is noticed with the Block off Plates???? Where the hell are these things at on a 14. My Busa had the PAIR..... Any thoughts??????

All the TRE does is stop the deceleration backfire (pop) and you pay for it by losing your gear indicator.

HealTech makes a version with a remote gear indicator you can mount up on the console.

As far as I know, there is no horsepower or torque gain from installing a TRE.

Putting either a mechanical or electronic ignition timing adjustment module on can help performance if you know what you are doing.

Air injection reed valve block off plates do not increase horsepower or torque. They are another measure to eliminate decel backfire.

Muzzy and others sell the block off plates, and if you go to the How To section of this forum, you can see step-by-step instructions with photos of how to install the plates.

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All the TRE does is stop the deceleration backfire (pop) and you pay for it by losing your gear indicator.

I have video that shows a pop with a tre set. Then I make a move on the tape my mouth up and I show a screen within a screen, which happens to show it eliminated the pop. Same corner, same turn around, same switching something and poof she is silent.

HealTech makes a version with a remote gear indicator you can mount up on the console.

Once that wire is compromised, the limp sets in. You just detuned the bike.

As far as I know, there is no horsepower or torque gain from installing a TRE.

So if no gain, why are you losing the upper hand? You brought the power down, didn't you? Limp means safe to run, we got you covered in backup/fail-safe.

Putting either a mechanical or electronic ignition timing adjustment module on can help performance if you know what you are doing.

No you can't. Well, maybe you can. Anyone override the limp with the ignition pig?

Air injection reed valve block off plates do not increase horsepower or torque. They are another measure to eliminate decel backfire.

I don't know about that. Does anyone still have some sort of pop with block off plate> My guess is yes. Prove me wrong. Is one reason Brock did not want to go mentioning decel-pop.

Muzzy and others sell the block off plates, and if you go to the How To section of this forum, you can see step-by-step instructions with photos of how to install the plates.

That's where I'd look.

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Till you go blind. Till you can't open up a thread and not find something as fundamental as FI get you on the same page no matter how hard I try, how much I smack the same book open. Chase the same people that are the more air speakers. You better find some trustworthy info is all I can say.

Come dispute the DNR's credibility and will I smack your crapaybillitea. Cheers mate! And that is ice tea there right? Whyou on the floor then?

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Air injection reed valve block off plates do not increase horsepower or torque. They are another measure to eliminate decel backfire.
I don't know about that. Does anyone still have some sort of pop with block off plate> My guess is yes. Prove me wrong. Is one reason Brock did not want to go mentioning decel-pop.

I removed pair and installed Block off plates still had back fire. 3 diff bikes now. TRE006A,,,,, only thing that ever worked for me.

TRE 008 = faster fly opening

TRE 006A = No Fuel Cut and No Backfire.

Speaking of which, Romans. Guhl is making a name for themselves flashing modified ECU images for C14s. One of the mods they are doing is opening the secondaries very early.

As you know, the C14 engine is just a ZX14 with a restricted ECU, so Guhl is able to pull out quite a bit of performance.

We might want to see if they will get interested in the ZX14 ECU. They could open the secondaries on the 2008+ machines early the same way, and it would be like we had no secondaries.

Guhl can also remove the top speed limit.

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As you know, the C14 engine is just a ZX14 with a restricted ECU...

That bike is not even close to a 14. As you know, the C14 engine comes with a variable intake cam. Lagging, sagging, torque your heavy load. Don't we want credibility here?

Once again, did the cut have one without the other? Did the tre set a fail-safe/backup that load and fattener up, and set the ignition trigger all limp... Kind of like a bottom end rush but lost the top. Is that right? Is that [watt] you are selling? A coded limp? Detune the bike? Yes or no?

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We might want to see if they will get interested in the ZX14 ECU. They could open the secondaries on the 2008+ machines early the same way, and it would be like we had no secondaries.
Guhl can also remove the top speed limit.

I would Love Love Love to have a hacked zx-14 ECU. The guys wanted 900 bucks for the hack and all the software. Not bad if you consider what we pay for Power Commander, Ignition Module, Speedo Healer module, and so on and so on. Just think,,,all adjustments come from the source not and adjustment made AFTER the ECU..... Perfect way to go but Hard to buy something and be one of the fist.

If you look at the maps in your power commander you have 2,5,10,15,20,40,60,80,100 in the cell locations. If these #'s came from the ECU direct the chart would be a smooth Flow. Not big gaps,,, U know what I mean ? What goes on between 40 and 60,,,,, Stock info is being sent. Kind of like a tug of war. I would love to get my Hands on one.

Now if we could just get hub on board and talk him into getting one he could dissect the Newest Toy.

If you can get a Full Open ECU with a USB port installed With all the software from Ridge Racer 900 would be a more than fair deals. Makes all our after the ECU toys obsolete.

Speaking of which, Romans. Guhl is making a name for themselves flashing modified ECU images for C14s. One of the mods they are doing is opening the secondaries very early.

I also was watching his progress. Love how he has got the flies to stay open on the zx-10 in the high rpm but still function down low,,, sweet. Big Brain.

What's killing me on this, why not just remove them completely. All new mods seem to lead to faster fly opening and vendors are getting rich on it.

The guys here that have removed them on the newer 14's reported that they could not notice much of a change,,,, sooooo,,,,, it begs the question why not just remove. Free mod.

You have to imagine what I am going through when I swap a 3-variable fly package at it. I've dissected the rod-less-twitch. I've played with the flies wired open. I am running bone stock now. Guess who out smarted whom? Bone stock performs the best... Street wise.

Rod-less Racy: Kind of the tre-twitch without. You have to be on your toes. You have to be precise or she takes off [so nice] say nothing it's nasty!

Flies Tied: Kind of mild in the middle. Lost the twitch. Has it's problems once she spreads her legs open kind of tied her to the bedpost. You'd struggle to get out of that position, right? OK, some of you then.

Sub Mission: I think they had a mission in engineering. Kind of a surprise package they were not expecting. At least I wasn't. That she is too sweet at this position all bone stock? Shifts like butter change is that air pulse. I heard that sub pump my shift. It sort of ricked off of the sub and if only I could pound that sound every shift. That thing was shifting smooth. Changes gears cleaner. And all that changed was that sub coming back on line.

Bottom line, Ridge set the bar. That is the way to work a map. Because you want those flies. ASS much as I hear screws being sheered off, I would not move a flap out of the exhaust I need it. Think of it like before/after or input/output. You can air brake some mapping with some sub cutting. Squat the bottom and then close her down like an accel map. Leave from a light [114db I wish] and then who whoooosh'is past the cops all quiet substocksay nothing!

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Romes, I see Ridge's rig and then Dogo's rolling panel he had going on. If you could pig that in with the usb port, camera rolling... I think I went to heaven [comes the data].

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If you could pig that in with the usb port, camera rolling... I think I went to heaven [comes the data].

2Nd, talk is cheap and in most cases follows up with please send me your money. But Live data that can be looked at, studied while observing the changes that you can and have made,,,,,,, Priceless.

AAAAAAAAAAAhhhhhhhhhhhhhh. What will I do with all my Pigs. For Sale ? UGH.

Also wondering if any performance is noticed with the Block off Plates????

No, but are a must if doing a 02 sensor. Other than that they did not Help me an any way. Some other have reported a little less back fire. But I found no change in my bikes,,,. Wallet lighter lol.

All my AFR's are PAIR'd. Oh, run without?

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Thanks for the help, I have the flies out already and the backfire on the decel only happens rarely that I have noticed. Doesnt sound like either the TRE or Blockoff plate will do much performance wise. The ignition module might be something to consider down the rode..

Thanks again everyone for the help!!