I haven't seen very much posting on the internet about the Gen 3 Hayabusa stock horsepower numbers. My friend with one that I raced last month had his on a dyno yesterday. I can see now why he said when we raced, my 14R literally walked away from him and it wasn't even a race.

He was expecting around 180 rwhp. My 14R was 195 and 202 with the ram air. (I aimed my 200 mph leaf blower into the ram air intake on the second dyno run and it picked up 7 horsepower, so the ram air does work).

They did 2 runs on his Busa, with the 2nd run the highest at 157.8 hp. That's a pretty low number for a bike that's had some major improvements including so called more mid range punch. Anyway, he was disappointed, as I was too, because I thought after he got it piped and tuned, it might've been a little closer race for me. Don't get me wrong. I always like to be on the winning side and was hoping to smoke him again after his bike was piped and tuned. It's just that he's a good friend and I could see the disappointment on his face.
I really don't think he'll have any chance at all of coming close to my bike.
Anyone else hear of any other Gen 3 numbers?

* Last updated by: mokaw on 10/30/2021 @ 3:42 PM *

Correct me if I'm wrong, but I came across a marketing bike. Like, dear Suz, we would like it built this way. We are your loyal customers and grew older and more anal retentive. Where kawi makes splatter matter down the leg for those riders who can handle diaper changes if you want to match poop to horsepower.

It ain't coming out of that bike is for sure. Dear kawi, I want a leg runner. Torque the shit right out of me next model.

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Go Mr Hub !!!!!

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They did 2 runs on his Busa, with the 2nd run the highest at 157.8 hp. That's a pretty low number for a bike that's had some major improvements including so called more mid range punch.

I've been following the Moore threads on the org and have mentioned the disappointment of the Gen3 busa several times on this forum. The stock numbers are lower than the Gen2 busa. The numbers with basic mods are lower than the Gen2 14R. I don't recall what the exact numbers were. The stock O2 sensors do an excellent job of maintaining a good AFR with an aftermarket pipe so fueling isn't a problem with tuning this bike, it just doesn't have more power than it's predecessor. It will be some time before they crack the Gen3 busa ECU but I doubt that will yield a lot more hp if the fueling is already good without needing adjustments for the pipe. The advantage they say, is that the Gen3 busa's motor is more durable and will be safer with boost than the previous engine. Otherwise, it;s a great looking bike. I think it was plain stupid to not at least match the 14R but maybe that was impossible with ever stricter Euro emissions compliance. Tell your chum to skip the pipe and go turbo. Or sell it and buy a 14R. A barely used Gen3 busa will fetch a nice price. People are still buying them like crazy and they're probably in short supply. Many owners on the org were waiting months to get their preordered Gen3s.

* Last updated by: Rook on 10/31/2021 @ 1:27 AM *

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Moore was turning all the electronics off for the fastest drag runs on his 2022 busa. His Gen2 14R was still faster. Now look at the price difference. Pay more for electronics that make the bike slower and even if you shut the electronics off, it's not as fast as the 14R.

* Last updated by: Rook on 10/31/2021 @ 1:36 AM *

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...and a bit less hp too.

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Dyno's only mean so much. What's the bike doing in the quarter? If it's down on dyno from prior gen, and also slower accelerating and or less top speed, that's another issue. If it's quicker, it's quicker and dyno results don't mean a whole lot.

Seems kind of odd to me, except that Busa's are generally considered better 1/4 bikes than 14s. Could it be that Zuk's business model for is primarily around performance mods?

I do like like the looks better, although I still think the Gen 2 14 is better looking, although I tend to like the more splashy schemes than solid colors like the '18 grey/orange and this years gray/red.

* Last updated by: VicThing on 11/23/2021 @ 4:02 AM *

Seems kind of odd to me, except that Busa's are generally considered better 1/4 bikes than 14s. Could it be that Zuk's business model for the 1441cc is primarily around performance mods?

I'm on the org a lot and there is no one bragging about flattening a 14R with their new busa. If that were happening, there would be a choir singing hallelujah over there. I have heard an org member say he sees Gen2 busas regularly get beat by 14Rs at the drag strip. The speculation about Gen3 Hayabusa performance enhancement died down pretty quick so there's not a lot of talk about it anymore. I've lost interest and I accept that Suzuki just stepped aside and let the 14R have the throne. The logic might have been that owners who want more power are going to go to a turbo anyway so they built the engine to handle boost better than the previous one. Basic mods aren't producing any unusual gains. After all this time, it seems like throwing another hundred ccs in the engine would have been an easy way to match the 14R but they just let it go.

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Rook I think that's along the lines of what I'm thinking. Still an insanely fast bike, stock, even if it should be stock running with 14Rs. BUT... when it comes to motor mods, I'm thinking the thought is not street riders, not even street turbos. It's more for the track only bikes.

I don't know a whole lot about Busas or drag racing. I seem to recall a Busa's had a thing or two about them that were specifically advantageous over 14s, IIRC maybe sleeved cylinders or something like that.

Stock who cares? Who really cares if the 14R is faster stock 1/4 mile? Seriously that means about dick, especially when stock H2s are faster than either. When I occasionally watch some enthusiast level drag racing there's 1 14 for every 20 Busas, and the Kaw NEVER fairs very well. That's what matters, and maybe there's where the nonsense makes sense?

But at that point my understanding of the air shifter is any serious racer would most likely replace it. So again...that doesn't really make sense either.

If I'm goin to buy a brand new bike, I want the fastest. That's why I'm not buying the new busa.

I did a quick search for quarter mile times and the H2 is rated as being faster than the Gen2 busa and the Gen1 ZX-14. I'm very surprised by that. The H2 looked very difficult to launch in a video I saw years back.

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You guys are forgetting two very important real life factors when it comes to drag racing "stock" bikes ,..First is the ease of launch and the second is rider .. My gen 2 14 makes me appear to be a "good " rider.
As for the Busa being more popular, Vic is correct, it is because of the ease of modding the engine. !4s are a pain to do anything to motor wise but in my opinion, they are worth it. I have yet to be beaten by a stock motored Busa and only one modified and that was my fault ( Very Bad Launch) .I have lost to modified GXers extended or barred . Bottom line in drag racing still comes down to rider.
When you are talking thousandths of seconds and sometimes even tenths, so many things enter into the equation, track surface, tire pressure, total weight rider and bike , air quality,time of day, wind..If it was simple, everyone would be running the same times LOL

* Last updated by: chrly on 11/21/2021 @ 9:41 AM *

You guys are forgetting two very important real life factors when it comes to drag racing "stock" bikes ,..First is the ease of launch and the second is rider

OK then let's just talk roll on racing. I'd take a Gen2 14R over a Gen3 busa any day. Matter of fact, I'd take a Gen1 ZX-14 or a Gen2 busa over a Gen3 busa in a rollon race. I know it would be close no matter what. That's the problem, a brand new design should be decidedly faster than thirteen year old bikes.

But at that point my understanding of the air shifter is any serious racer would most likely replace it. So again...that doesn't really make sense either.

The clutchless footshifter on the busa is pretty decent from what I heard but you're probably right, a real serious racer would probably go with an air shifter activated by a thumb switch or they may even go to an autoshift setup. All of the electronics on the gen3 busa are something a novice will enjoy playing with. It seemed like Moore was getting his fastest Gen3 busa runs with all electronics shut off and the shifter set in street mode rather than race mode. The lean angle gauge on the Gen3 busa is cool gadget but for most of us, it would show how far we're not leaning our busa.

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Rook , my reference to stock was because that is what is published in the mags and is usually quoted I realize utubers are putting up a lot of roll races but really ? Unless someone just absolutely destroys an opponent, there is no way to figure which bike is best . NOR which has mods.

My opinion of course LOL

* Last updated by: chrly on 11/21/2021 @ 3:25 PM *

That's the thing. I don't think this bike is aimed at us. I think it's aimed at competition drag racers. Obviously they'll sale the bike to anyone that will buy it, but I think Suz is hoping to continue to corner the drag racing market. When I watch some bike drag racing vids and 50% of the bikes are Busas... that's a lot of sales. That's a lot of sales I bet Kaw wish they had instead for 14s.

Faster stock doesn't really mean a lot. Here's why I say that. It is only good enough to say, "it's faster showroom stock." Unless there's some "completely showroom stock" class, IE, no straps, gear changes, no tunes, flashes, pipes, etc. Now...what's easier, more reliable, and faster it comes to making a drag bike? Well, that appears to be the Busa. And that matters, because that's where the competition is.

In all accounts I'm seeing, Busa is dynoing around 180 hp and 110ft lbs. So yes a little down on 14R, but I think the 1/4 mile performance is nearing 14R territory - possibly due to the quick shifter that 14s don't have stock. So yes, down on power (which doesn't make sense, or it shows how strong Kaw's engineering is) but overall a bike an average rider will probably be faster on thanks to the quick shifter and electronic aids.

Just my thoughts.

Rook , my reference to stock was because that is what is published in the mags and is usually quoted I realize utubers are putting up a lot of roll races but really ? Unless someone just absolutely destroys an opponent, there is no way to figure which bike is best . NOR which has mods.
My opinion of course LOL

People buy these bikes because of their reputation for speed. Suzuki did NOTHING to maintain its reputation in creating the Gen3 Hayabusa. They didn't even try to publish encouraging specs. They got heavier with less hp. That right there tells me they weren't interested in continuing the battle with the ZX-14. I haven't looked for any roll races between a ZX-14R and a Gen3 Hayabusa. All I saw was Moore's Gen3 Hayabusa runs and his ZX-14R runs were faster even though that bike weighed even more. Same guy, same skill one bike is faster. I'm sure they're close but for my money, I'll take the one that was faster with basic mods which is what Moore was testing. The main thing is that Suzuki didn't bring the Gen3 Hayabusa to the table with superior numbers and that alone tells me they didn't even want to try to say they had the new fastest bike. Instead they said they had improved midrange as though they were targeting a more level headed crowd that is not interested in racing.

Faster stock doesn't really mean a lot. Here's why I say that. It is only good enough to say, "it's faster showroom stock." Unless there's some "completely showroom stock" class, IE, no straps, gear changes, no tunes, flashes, pipes, etc. Now...what's easier, more reliable, and faster it comes to making a drag bike? Well, that appears to be the Busa. And that matters, because that's where the competition is.

The Hayabusa has far better aftermarket support than the ZX-14.

In all accounts I'm seeing, Busa is dynoing around 180 hp and 110ft lbs. So yes a little down on 14R, but I think the 1/4 mile performance is nearing 14R territory - possibly due to the quick shifter that 14s don't have stock. So yes, down on power (which doesn't make sense, or it shows how strong Kaw's engineering is) but overall a bike an average rider will probably be faster on thanks to the quick shifter and electronic aids.

Maybe an average rider will be faster with the Hayabusa electronics if they drag race. The Hayabusa still has a 1340 cc engine like the Gen2 busa. The 14R of course has a 1441. That's the strength od Kawasaki's engineering. Suzuki should have done the same at the very least. They outdid the Gen1 ZX-14 with less displacement bu tno way they can outdo the 14R which has a hundred more ccs. That's just not goin to happen between two big bores. The biger bore wins unless the smaller gets a turbo.

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"Maybe an average rider will be faster with the Hayabusa electronics if they drag race."
Ha! It's like saying, this high end guitar will make you a better guitar player. Chrly has so many hours [literally], I'd like to ride up to a meet and go up against chrly just for grins. See if I can out RT him, but that right there is the challenge. I was told I could cut a light when I was in my teens racing, and leaving from a traffic light like I do, I'm ready to go... where do I sign up? JK!!!

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I have tried to post here three times ,??
Anyway, Hub , we will be at Famosa Dec 4th. Would enjoy saying hi.

Not far after about close to 20yrs going to Hanford to judge at a swap and show. If you get a PM before then, I got a cat sitter for a few days.

I could use a little noise for some relaxation time.

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Excellance.. I have never ran with this group before so do not know what I am getting into :) What the gate. Tell them you are with Shortys Group. That was only instructions I got ..

Bad timing. Neighbor and sister have pre-schedules. Throw up next year's rounds you'll show up at. Next month is out for me... Prepping for AHRMA Daytona.

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I contacted promoter. They are running as a separate group from main guys and do not expect much of a turnout I will probably wind up doing test and tunes. Oh well, I hear it is a great track.
Next year??

I think the Gen1 Hayabusa would be selling about as well as the ZX-14R today even if the busa only had updated colors for the last 20 years. Suzuki didn't need to update to the Gen2 in 2008 and they didn't need to update to the Gen3 this year. I don't think Suzuki is worried about competing with the ZX-14 too much or even the liter bikes. Busas sell no matter what.

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I was looking at the 22 Hayabusa and 22 ZX14R got the ZX14R. I'm telling never been a stock bike that pulled that harder and I thought my 2013 Concours 14 felt good

Wait until you put a good exhaust on it and flash it. You'll be quite impressed.

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