I have a cycle-logic kit from Dave. I need a map since I have a bazzaz Z-Fi and I also have the Auto tune Z-AMF. I try and ride it to get it mapped but no luck. When I put the computer on it is giving me under diagnostic error on STP. I see the RPM jumping up and down. I will use any map available and adjust my PSI to it. They must be under 8PSI, stock motor, with Ivan's TRE, not top Flies, Air Sensor chip, Fuel tower mod from Dave, Fuel regulator, oil pump, external waste-gate 8lb spring, boost controller, nothing is done to motor, will start no problem, but if I try and ride it, it will choke like missing gas, hooked the hose from the fuel regulator to the hose on the throttle body at the end on the brake side of the bike.(it's at the very end of the throttle body at the corner) I have to make sure that this is a vacuum hose. I just need help since this bike has been stopped since May 2010, I want to ride again. Thanks ahead of time. I did put a map that Dave gave me from a PC and put the numbers on my Bazzaz but no glory. if anyone wants to contact me private message my email is ninjarider2008 at yahoo dot com. someone help please.

Lots to add here but I don't know bazzaz software. So bare with me.

it will choke like missing gas,

Because Gas is Missing.

hooked the hose from the fuel regulator to the hose on the throttle body at the end on the brake side of the bike.(it's at the very end of the throttle body at the corner)

= Wrong. This is not set up like a car.

This is a stand alone unit. NO vacume required. Boost only. Hose goes to Air Box and needs to sense boost pressure to close regulator. This is how the fuel pressure gets increased.

I also have the Auto tune Z-AMF

If you run Auto Tune with Stock AFR table your bike will run lean and Boom. Read spaulding thread. Pics will tell all.

Fix, and post answers. DO NOT RIDE BIKE. More info needed.

* Last updated by: Romans on 10/26/2011 @ 5:18 PM *

Ok took the hose off the throttle hose. Can I hook it up to the hose coming from the turbo, the one that is suppose to connect to my boost gauge? I have a regulator at 42lbs. if not where can i put it, I know you said to the air damper but how?
The bazzaz shows STP stable now since HUB told me how to adjust the racing chain tension-er. I placed the slip on map since the other ones are not helping to turn on the bike to test the reading on the Bazzaz, I didn't ride it.

I didn't ride it.

Good call.

Can you post pics of the fuel cells. I need percent of throttle #'s with RPM, TPS location. Software learning curve needed. Should be Easy.

AFR Table is must. DO you have one input ?

Getting closer.

Ok, got it. Same, display diff is all. Thinking. Work on it in morning.

Ok, been working 16 hour days bare with me.

What I need to know is about fuel adjust under Auto Tune. How is it set. Need to set the + and - max setting first.

You want AFR set to 13.5 below 4000 RPM to get started. 4- 6000 set at 12.3 and 6000 to 10,000 11.8 This is real rough but will get you started.

Auto tune will bring your bike to stock AFR #'s if you do not set trim levels. How much trim is what concerns me. How do we set ?

I need to play with software to be sure but we can get you going and let Auto Tune Fix your Map.

Ok, set AFR to 13.5 and Ride bike around but stay UNDER 4000 RPM.

Place Zero in all fuel cells from zero to 4000 up to 100% on TPS.

Set fuel pressure to 38lbs

Post pic of what Auto tune trim recommends.

Do not go into boost that will be next.

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Giving rain tomorrow so can walk you through but will take some time

That the problem that for some reason the Z-AFM combine with the Z-Fi will not self map. I even called Bazzaz and they don't know why. I'll keep trying and If I get something I'll let you know. I'll probably take it all of if I can't get it to map or find a map. If you know anyone that wants one I'll sell this kit for $2800. Tired of trying to map it.

I'll keep trying and If I get something I'll let you know. I'll probably take it all of if I can't get it to map or find a map.

Wow, More support for power commander products. Why not just sell Bazzaz if they won't help you. That's BS.

Your so close. Only a Map away. Fix that auto tune and your set. I can just tell you what to place in all the cells but if auto tune Not working won't be perfect.

Did you ride the bike around with all zeros below 4 grand ? If it runs good down low this tells me lots. We can move forward.

Yeah it runs without stalling but I know it can do better. Is better than before, only if the auto tune would catch some data I'll be set. Because then I know that I can get it to a dyno and top it off. but I'm not going to pay hundreds for someone to tell me that they couldn't map it or that it's set and mess up my engine because they didn't know what they were doing especially with a turbo. I studied at wyotech and i know I can get my old instructor to dyno it with me there but want to be sure everything is ready to go because it's a 2 1/2 hour trip to Daytona beach, Florida from Tampa.

only if the auto tune would catch some data I'll be set. Because then I know that I can get it to a dyno and top it off. but I'm not going to pay hundreds for someone to tell me that they couldn't map it or that it's set and mess up my engine because they didn't know what they were doing especially with a turbo

Auto tune CAN NOT see data blow 10AFR or Above 18AFR. My thinking is your Auto tune is blind because your not in that Zone. Now we must prove this. Back Fire Lean. skip = Fuel pressure to high for the newer injectors. Black smoke Rich.

AFR Gauge, tell me you have one ?

Fuel Pressure Gauge ?

Boost gauge ?

If you have these, will be much Faster.

I studied at wyotech

Then this should be easy.

If you do not have a gauges set below 4000 rpm to - 7s and go for a ride. Then look to see if Auto tune sees the new afr.

Talked to Bazzaz dealer again and the tech told me to check my TPS because when I turn it on the RPM meter moves but the TPS meter stays at 0, even when I give it gas. He said until I fix this I will not get any Data from the auto tune. So I have to see how to troubleshoot this. I have a boost gauge but I will get the AFR and Fuel Gauge. I have it on hold until monday since I'm customizing a Gsxr-1000 and will finish it this weekend.

Gsxr-1000 and will finish it this weekend.

You get that ZX-14 on Boost you will forget all about gixer lol

OK Romans I'm back. changed the turbo since I could never get the one from dave to stop leaking and put a new 20G with internal 8lbs wastegate on the zx14. I went and took everything off and redid the whole turbo system. the turbo is rotating fine on idle. I plugged my laptop to the Bazzaz Zfi and it is giving me a 02 sensor Error. I started it up and it sounds better. took the Ivans TRE off. So tomorrow I will check to see what the hell is up with the 02 sensor error and see if I can get Data from the Z-AFM self tuning. I hit the throttle and no signs of choking, no white smoke, great response. we'll see tomorrow if I can get rid of the error so I can try and self map. I got a boost gauge, AFR gauge that has a red, black and blue wire. the blue is the sensor wire but don't know what wire to plug it to the Z-AFM sensor. the sensor has red, black, white, yellow and grey. I am trying to get a wire diagram to see if I get the right wire to complete the install. I will get back at you tomorrow afternoon.

OK Romans I'm back. changed the turbo since I could never get the one from dave to stop leaking and put a new 20G

What oil did you End Up using ?

What did you do with the VF22 ? Was it New ?

took the Ivans TRE off.

If you are going to Auto Tune Keep in mind the 3800 decell back fire will send AFR #'s all over the map in that Very Very important area. Remember this is where you will be coming on boost(3500 RPM under load). The Backfire will tell auto tune to pull fuel. Lean #'s on there way in, making a hole in your map. Keep a eye out for it.

yeah , Romans mines still leaking out of turbo inlet side now not from the exhaust.what grade of oil are you using it would eliminate the turbo....thanks
Grin

Romans
I used the regular motorcycle oil and it was coming out not through the exhaust but the turbo inlet side up to the air box. Let me know what oil to use. I ran it down the street to get some data, but it was kind of stalling at first so I had to squeeze the clutch and give it some throttle to get it to take off. once running I didn't hear no discharge when shifting. I got some data from the auto tune but I just noticed that the AFR on the Bazzaz was saying 14.7 when I had it 13.2? While running down the street I hit the throttle and after it gained good speed it would start to stall and had to bring the throttle back, so it could be need of gas and too much air. When cold it's a pain to get it started. I have to crank it 5-6 times to get it to stay on? man I just don't know what else to do with it. Also while riding at good speed I looked at the boost gauge and it was at zero. I have it connected to the blockage damper plate that had a NPT connection. That is where the frame is at what I am using as a air damper. I tested the turbo and boost controller with my compressor before the installation and made sure that the boost controller was at 8lbs. the first run I got data and then smooth it out. still is stalling to run and I hear no dis-compression????????

Romans mines still leaking out of turbo inlet side now not from the exhaust.what grade of oil are you using it would eliminate the turbo....thanks

man I just don't know what else to do with it. Also while riding at good speed I looked at the boost gauge and it was at zero.

Your are NOT under load so do not be alarmed. The 20G spool up diff then ours but very close. Squeeze wide open throttle and Boost comes in Fast.

14.7 when I had it 13.2?

Ok, First things First. DO NOT GO ABOVE 4000 RPM until bugs out or I see you were at 7000Rpm. Yikes that kind of luck won't last. 14.7 = BOOM.

Need you to enter all zeros in your fuel map below 4000 Rpm and go for a ride. Auto tune running, post your trim levels. This will tell me everything. Right now I see plus 40% fuel while not on Boost. Your map looks upside down.

Suggest you play it safe and start your entire AFR table 11.8 for now and we will fix as we go ? you see 14.7 above four Grand get off the gas and look for oil.

Oil in you pipe will send AFR gauge all over ?????/ sensor won't like. You have lots going on here we must go slow to fix.

Post your current fuel map so I can see. Does Bazzaz make the recommended changes or do you have to except the new ????

OK Romans I'm back finally. I made some adjustments which were from the return oil on the turbine I routed it to the pump and to the clutches off of the oil cap. I am also using Synthetic oil and just put enough that is level with the LOW mark on the oil eye glass. I have no white smoke and no oil going out of either end of the turbo. The AFR gauge points to optimal right in the middle of low and high. I place the AFR on the bazzaz on 11.8 but when I turned it on it said 16.6 ( above the fuel adjust where it say AFR 14.6) this was with the bike turned off and it displays 14.6 AFR. see pics and let me know what's up. I did this stationed with the rear wheel off the ground in first and second gear. The bike wanted to turn off as I hit the throttle like missing fuel or air. had to play with it back and forth so it wouldn't stall.

* Last updated by: ninjarider2008 on 1/13/2012 @ 10:23 AM *

I did what you told me before (You want AFR set to 13.5 below 4000 RPM to get started. 4- 6000 set at 12.3 and 6000 to 10,000 11.8) and ran it stationary again and it seem alot better when I hit the throttle, no stalling.

oil and just put enough that is level with the LOW mark on the oil eye glass.

Yikes, can ask why ? Keep in mind once all evac oil lines get full you may be low on the pick up side.

(You want AFR set to 13.5 below 4000 RPM to get started. 4- 6000 set at 12.3 and 6000 to 10,000 11.8)

Your middle #'s must be adjusted once we find out when Your Boost comes in and we need to know what rpm you are at under full Boost. from 4 to six AFR #'s should be falling 12.3 12.1 11.8 at 6000. Work in progress.

The AFR gauge points to optimal right in the middle of low and high.

Not under boost though, Correct ?

and it seem alot better when I hit the throttle, no stalling.

your 0% row 0 - 1750 RPM #'s tell all here. I need to see your New Fuel Map.

ok, lots to add here but I Need one more pic of your new fuel table to get u started.

Ok rode it today under 4000 rpm. little of stalling taking off on first and a little on second but once it starts moving it's good. went from 1st to 6 gear and this is what I got.

ok, except all fuel trims and post the map. The Fuel cell #'s tell all. I can help spot all the bad #s in the cells. My obsession, post map before you ride.