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Created on: 03/05/17 09:54 PM

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07ZX1352


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BRAKE PADS
03/05/17 9:54 PM

I purchased some Sintered HH brake pads off of ebay and I noticed how the pads squeak a lot in the front. Anyone experience this before with these pads? Or any recommendations on better pads or what to do? Really starting to annoy me and I don't want to do any damage to the rotors. I also noticed it only happened when I am coming to a stop. So at very low speeds.
Thanks in advance

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RE: BRAKE PADS
03/05/17 10:05 PM

Check the stock pads you removed, think they are HH also. I put EBC HH pads in my '06 and they rattled and made noise until I went back to stock, I couldn't tell the difference in breaking. On the track you might notice a difference but not on the street. The stock pads seem to fit the calipers the best and are quiet.



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Cuff


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RE: BRAKE PADS
03/06/17 9:09 PM

Keep cleaning them and the squeak goes away in time. I had the same issue and found once they bed in all is good.

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piken


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RE: BRAKE PADS
03/06/17 9:39 PM

Brake Harder. Really.

You bought a set of high performance pads good enough for doing track days.
If you use for commuting they will sound
like a old school bus. Need to get some heat/wear into them.
Do a few stoppies, that will get the squeak out of them.

Or get some Kevlar/Organic pads or OEM pads or start braking harder and
yes the HH sintered pads will also be harder on the rotors too.


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Rook


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RE: BRAKE PADS
03/07/17 7:01 PM

I also noticed it only happened when I am coming to a stop. So at very low speeds.

Had this from brand new with OEM pads. Normal on the 06-11. A lot of people have complained about it. When I switched to HH with stock rotors, the noise went away. Had them several years on my CZ rotors and they have not worn them too bad. Does not seem to ware more than OEM pads far as I can tell.


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07ZX1352


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RE: BRAKE PADS
05/18/17 9:02 PM

The squeak is still happening and it is driving me crazy. I tried braking harder and pads still squeak at very low speeds. Any ideas? I don't want to ruin the brake rotors. I've seen that they are expensive.

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Rook


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RE: BRAKE PADS
05/19/17 3:47 PM

If this is the normal low speed light touch on the lever squeal from the pads, it won't hurt your rotors. It might go away as the pads wear to the surface angle of the rotors. I used to switch from front to rear only as I was slowing to a stop.



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piken


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RE: BRAKE PADS
05/19/17 8:59 PM

Here's what I would do.

Get some of those twist lock drill mounted 3m pads.

Pull the rotors and clean them up. When changing pad compounds I always
clean the rotors and try to get as much of the old pad compound off the rotors
as possible.

Get rid of the HH sintered pads and get some organic/kevlar pads.
That's all you need.

Reassemble and take a little time and bed the new pads.

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RE: BRAKE PADS
05/20/17 12:10 AM

THe pads need bedded in. It's not abornmal to have some squealing but you can do things to alleviate it. Try riding the brakes for a 1/4 mile, like maybe in your neighborhood before you get on the main streat. In 1st just apply the brake and throttle for a while. Moderate braking it should sho be enough to slow the engine a little at 20% throttle in 1st.

I do this after washing my bike to make sure the brakes get nice and hot to boil off any water. Also don't tend to have any squeal. If you do a lot of light braking, it seems brake squeal may develop or be a symptom of that. Try to use the brakes aggressively for a period of time at some point in your riding this will probably keep them from squealing like you're seeing.

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Nightmare


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RE: BRAKE PADS
05/23/17 8:34 AM

I bought some EBC HH sintered pads from a local shop a couple of years ago and they squeak at low speed/light braking. They were the only pads I could find locally otherwise I would have gone with semi-metallic pads (which I was able to find for the rears).

When coming to a stop I tend to use the rear more as Rook suggested, they don't squeak and are a lot easier on the wallet (something like $30 for the rear vs $150 for the front).

As for the rotors, I'm not sure how many sets of brake pads you can get out of the same set of rotors, but I'm personally not expecting to get more than the second set of pads that I have on now, so depending on how worn your rotors are to begin with, it might be a moot point.

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jokacz


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RE: BRAKE PADS
05/24/17 11:31 AM

In 41,00 miles I went through the stock pads, a set of EBC HH sintereds, a set of E-bay sintereds, and as the rotors were nearing end of life, I went to set of E-bay carbon kevlars to postpone the inevitable rotor purchase. Sintered pads are a bit rough on the rotors, but they do seem to stop better, or at least give better feedback than carbon kevlars. Just my opinion fwiw. FYI I have done hundreds and hundreds of passes at the drag strip with stops from 150 mph.


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RE: BRAKE PADS
05/27/17 6:16 AM

I always grease the backs of the pads and the slider pins with blue brake grease and never hear any squeaks or squeals. You must be careful not to get any grease on the friction surfaces and not to overload the pads where any grease could squeeze out and end up somewhere it's not supposed to be. Just turned over 70K and will be installing the 3rd set of brake pads soon.



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Rook


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RE: BRAKE PADS
05/27/17 8:05 AM

Brake grease!!! LOL that sounds funny! I will have to remember that and give it a try. I seems to makes sense as long as it doesn't flow with heat. I've used high temp grease on my chain and it doesn't run out of the sprocket cover, it just sticks where it gets flung until I get in there to clean it out.



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TrashHauler



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RE: BRAKE PADS
05/29/17 6:05 PM

I had the same issue with EBC HH pads. Put some copper anti seize on the pins and where the pad sits against the piston and runs on the caliper. Squeak gone.


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Grn14


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RE: BRAKE PADS
05/29/17 8:33 PM

"Or get some Kevlar/Organic pads"...not sure what ya mean here...I bought some organic pads a few years ago.Within 5 miles(slowing,braking)the pads melted in the calipers.I mean...MELTED.Good thing I noticed the bike was starting to have resistance while cruising along.Stopped and checked...good thing.Rode home and replaced immediately with the old pads..HH sintered.Then ordered the EBC HH sintered.

The stock pads used to come with a backing tape on em.Not sure about now.But yeah...some thicker compound(copper gasket paste or something similar) behind that plate will stop the squeaks.Danno's keerect here.

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piken


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RE: BRAKE PADS
06/01/17 4:37 PM

I bought some organic pads a few years ago.Within 5 miles

You are definitely a goofball, but always have very sound knowledgeable advice
for people that don't know better.

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VicThing


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RE: BRAKE PADS
06/01/17 7:25 PM

I've heard similar stories with organic pads. Not sure what the deal is. In this case it seems like it might have been over filled hydraulics though, which seems probable given the pads were just changed out. I don't know, probably not, but 5 miles? Maybe 5 miles on a track?

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RE: BRAKE PADS
06/01/17 10:30 PM

Nope...'organic'.That's what they were called.I've NO idea WHAT they could possibly work on.I mean it.Straight melted and were fouling the disk.Took off from home here,drove I'd say even LESS than 5 miles.Applied rear brake a couple of times while moving.Seemed fine.Then,progressively,the bike started dragging.I braked to a stop,checked the pads...actually liquidy melting.So hot I couldn't touch anything around the caliper.I don't remember if the fronts wore like that...but I wasn't about to take any chances.They were NOT locked up when I left home.I'm guessing as they began to heat up,they expanded.Once they did that,there was no way to open em up any further.The hotter they got,the tighter they gripped the disc.Had to get right back and remove,also,scrub the disc off.It was...ugly.They were listed for the zx14r.IDK.IDK if they were Kevlar or what.Sintered is METAL(yes?) mixed with something else.But NOT something that'll melt.

I've replaced pads several times over the years...pretty sure I didn't mess it up.Like I said,the rear wheel was spinning fine before I left.And yeah,it WAS less than 5 miles.Maybe 2.Honestly.


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VicThing


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RE: BRAKE PADS
06/02/17 5:57 PM

Man that's crazy! Glad you were OK I'm sure that was quite a dangerous situation. Sintered for me!

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RE: BRAKE PADS
06/02/17 7:36 PM

I was pretty shocked when I saw what it was.

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RE: BRAKE PADS
06/05/17 6:38 AM

Back in the day, the 1960's, it was SOP to grease the back of the pads and to grind a bevel in the pads to prevent squealing. I've put many miles on Ebay carbon kevlar pads on my 14 with no issues whatever. They don't stop as well when cold, and have less feel, but that's about it.

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