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Thread: My Turbo ZX-14 Build.

Created on: 03/31/13 08:46 AM

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My Turbo ZX-14 Build.
03/31/13 8:46 AM

Thread about how it all started, and more back story:

http://www.zx14ninjaforum.com/messages.cfm?threadid=E6E46695-D56B-84E2-178F7EEA4EC42050

Things should be wrapping up over the next couple weeks so I thought id start a build thread.

Bike is a 07 ZX14. Old setup was BMC air filter, Full Brocks exhaust, and a Muzzy Nitrous kit. It did 180whp/103wtq NA, and 228whp/135wtq on a 50 shot.

Long story short, #4 spark plug feel apart, and beat the shit of the piston, and scared up the cylinder wall.

At that point, I figured, since the cylinder wall needs to be fixed, lets just punch the block from a 1352 to a 1451. Do full everything pretty much, and build a badass NA bike. Then Jerry came back with 2 price quotes. Big NA build Vs Stage 1 turbo build. Big NA was going to put me around 215-220whp and 130wtq, Thats almost my old nitrous numbers, so I was happy with that. BUT heres the thing, Stage 1 turbo build was only going to be about 2 grand more. BUT I could sell my Brocks exhaust, the nitrous kit, and the intake, and get some of that back. So in the end, the turbo build was only $750 more than that NA build, but we should easily do about 50 more whp compared to the NA build. So things were put in motion.

This is not being built to be a drag bike, this is basically just going to be a fun/crazy street bike. Street manners, and ridability are going to be a big concern on this build.

Staying 1352, doing JE 9.5:1 Compression pistons, Velocity Racing turbo kit with Garrett Dual ball bearing turbo, Tial Wastegate, Doing a port and polished head, degreeing the Cams, better clutch and stiffer springs, Its a pretty long list. lol

Just the main stuff I took pics of. They are 9.5:1 pistons, but we are also running a thinner head gasket, so compression will be close to 10:1

Box of parts, and Radiator

Fuel pump, FMU, Headstuds, piston rings, and some other random stuff.

Pistons, Velocity stacks, Boost gauge, head gasket, air filter

Turbo, manifold, exhaust, and Tial wastegate.

Already on the bike, New rear spring (front springs soon), Stretch kit, 9inchs is maxed out, obviously cant run 9 if you want to be able to tighten the chain, but I set it at 9 for now, just to get a feel for how it would look. Also made a metal undertail, so if the tire hits the tail it wont rip out the ECU (usually a problem on slammed 14s)

Right now we are still waiting on the Block to come back from Millennium, they are honing and replating the damage cylinder. The said it will be shipped back to us by April 5th.

And this is how the bike sits now, just waiting... yes the garage is clean now. lol



2007 Plasma Blue ZX-14.
New build, Fresh re-plated block, Velocity Racing Turbo kit, JE Turbo pistons, P&P Head, and a whole lot more. Current on 8.5psi.

2013 White ZX-14R, Full Hindle exhaust, Puig DB screen, HIDs, drop pegs, bar risers, and so on, setting it up for touring.

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RE: My Turbo ZX-14 Build.
03/31/13 9:06 AM

Couple other random pics.



2007 Plasma Blue ZX-14.
New build, Fresh re-plated block, Velocity Racing Turbo kit, JE Turbo pistons, P&P Head, and a whole lot more. Current on 8.5psi.

2013 White ZX-14R, Full Hindle exhaust, Puig DB screen, HIDs, drop pegs, bar risers, and so on, setting it up for touring.

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RE: My Turbo ZX-14 Build.
03/31/13 2:54 PM

Glad you made it over here. Not many of us and to few that post.

Who's RRFPR do you have shown in pic above ?

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RE: My Turbo ZX-14 Build.
03/31/13 5:59 PM

I dont remember seeing a brand name on the FMU, and its not listed on their website. Ill have to look the next time im over there.



2007 Plasma Blue ZX-14.
New build, Fresh re-plated block, Velocity Racing Turbo kit, JE Turbo pistons, P&P Head, and a whole lot more. Current on 8.5psi.

2013 White ZX-14R, Full Hindle exhaust, Puig DB screen, HIDs, drop pegs, bar risers, and so on, setting it up for touring.

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RE: My Turbo ZX-14 Build.
03/31/13 9:18 PM

Romans, Do you have a BOV? The kit said it came with one, but I dont remember seeing one. And I asked my builder about it, and he said all the turbo bikes he has done didnt have one. I have a couple HKS bov's laying around, and a weld on flange. I think if I can find room for it, im going to tell him to put it on. Even low boost has to go somewhere when the throttle is closed, and I dont want it hitting back up against the turbo.



2007 Plasma Blue ZX-14.
New build, Fresh re-plated block, Velocity Racing Turbo kit, JE Turbo pistons, P&P Head, and a whole lot more. Current on 8.5psi.

2013 White ZX-14R, Full Hindle exhaust, Puig DB screen, HIDs, drop pegs, bar risers, and so on, setting it up for touring.

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RE: My Turbo ZX-14 Build.
04/01/13 6:20 AM

Romans, Do you have a BOV?

No, I should, but don't. I started of at 6lbs now running 9 plus so the ch ch ch ch sound on throttle lift getting louder. 3 years now. Season about to start for us soon so it's going on the to do list. My build on New bike will have one for sure.

Can you show me a close up pic of how they cut into the Hot side. I do not see a plate ?

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RE: My Turbo ZX-14 Build.
04/01/13 8:39 AM

You mean how the exhaust and wastegate dump are connected to the turbo? I didn't look closely at that, but I see what you mean. Ill check the next time I'm over there.



2007 Plasma Blue ZX-14.
New build, Fresh re-plated block, Velocity Racing Turbo kit, JE Turbo pistons, P&P Head, and a whole lot more. Current on 8.5psi.

2013 White ZX-14R, Full Hindle exhaust, Puig DB screen, HIDs, drop pegs, bar risers, and so on, setting it up for touring.

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RE: My Turbo ZX-14 Build.
04/02/13 8:32 AM

You mean how the exhaust and wastegate dump are connected to the turbo?

Yes, looks like a cut and weld. Must be to gain a 1/2 inch of space ?

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RE: My Turbo ZX-14 Build.
04/07/13 2:28 PM

Got the shipping information on the block, it will be here on the 9th.

Also I made a mount for the boost gauge. A/F gauge will be next.



2007 Plasma Blue ZX-14.
New build, Fresh re-plated block, Velocity Racing Turbo kit, JE Turbo pistons, P&P Head, and a whole lot more. Current on 8.5psi.

2013 White ZX-14R, Full Hindle exhaust, Puig DB screen, HIDs, drop pegs, bar risers, and so on, setting it up for touring.

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RE: My Turbo ZX-14 Build.
04/08/13 5:58 PM

it will be here on the 9th.

Won't be long now.

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RE: My Turbo ZX-14 Build.
04/08/13 7:42 PM

I will get you better pics of the exhaust like you asked, I just havent been over there since everything showed up. Im sure I will be back shortly after the block shows up.



2007 Plasma Blue ZX-14.
New build, Fresh re-plated block, Velocity Racing Turbo kit, JE Turbo pistons, P&P Head, and a whole lot more. Current on 8.5psi.

2013 White ZX-14R, Full Hindle exhaust, Puig DB screen, HIDs, drop pegs, bar risers, and so on, setting it up for touring.

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RE: My Turbo ZX-14 Build.
04/10/13 6:02 AM

The last piece of the puzzle showed up yesterday. Jerry only sent me one pic of it so far, but basically said its brand new again. I havent been able to make it over to see it yet.



2007 Plasma Blue ZX-14.
New build, Fresh re-plated block, Velocity Racing Turbo kit, JE Turbo pistons, P&P Head, and a whole lot more. Current on 8.5psi.

2013 White ZX-14R, Full Hindle exhaust, Puig DB screen, HIDs, drop pegs, bar risers, and so on, setting it up for touring.

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RE: My Turbo ZX-14 Build.
04/10/13 2:48 PM

18tooth front sprocket showed up today. Like I said, its just a street bike, so Id like to try this out, to see how it pulls, and how well I can keep the front down. So with this ill now have a 16, 17, and 18 to play with.

Whats your gearing Roman? Have you experimented at all? Whats your Stretch, weight, and whp/wtq?



2007 Plasma Blue ZX-14.
New build, Fresh re-plated block, Velocity Racing Turbo kit, JE Turbo pistons, P&P Head, and a whole lot more. Current on 8.5psi.

2013 White ZX-14R, Full Hindle exhaust, Puig DB screen, HIDs, drop pegs, bar risers, and so on, setting it up for touring.

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RE: My Turbo ZX-14 Build.
04/10/13 4:14 PM

Whats your gearing Roman? Have you experimented at all? Whats your Stretch, weight, and whp/wtq?

My gearing is my beloved Fav 17F/45R. My weight with out gear 230lbs. Bike is 65 Inch. 9lbs Boost On Stock compression.

Keep in mind Kolk, each time you change your gearing your map needs change a little as your fuel table is made under load. Do you know what I mean ? Maybe you know this. Just thought I would mention as you are playing with front sprockets ? = Big change. Dyno time = $$$$$$$$$$$

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RE: My Turbo ZX-14 Build.
04/10/13 4:54 PM

Dyno time for me is free. Im very lucky.

Wow, 17/45, thats more aggressive than just the -1 front I was running before hand. How well does it stay down? What gear can you hit full boost in and have traction and keep the front down? I couldnt spray in 2nd and keep the front down with the -1 front, but that was at stock wheel base.

Do you have any head work? I think at a max I might hit 9lbs, but im 10:1 compression. So id assume you are doing more power than I will be. Like I said though, we are going to start with 6-7lbs, and see where that puts us, and adjust boost from there.

Stock is 58, and maxed out I can do 67, so ill probably be around 65-66 as well. But im over 300lbs.

My builder suggested since I just want a highway roller, and more of a very powerful cruiser, to step up to the +1 front, and as he put it, just freight train through the gears. Also, like you mentioned, the taller gears will put more load on the turbo, and turbos like that.


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2007 Plasma Blue ZX-14.
New build, Fresh re-plated block, Velocity Racing Turbo kit, JE Turbo pistons, P&P Head, and a whole lot more. Current on 8.5psi.

2013 White ZX-14R, Full Hindle exhaust, Puig DB screen, HIDs, drop pegs, bar risers, and so on, setting it up for touring.

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RE: My Turbo ZX-14 Build.
04/10/13 5:42 PM

How well does it stay down? What gear can you hit full boost in and have traction and keep the front down? I couldnt spray in 2nd and keep the front down with the -1 front, but that was at stock wheel base.

Bike is Different Animal with Boost compared to NOS I'm assuming. Your wrist controls the hit with clutch together if wanting hard out of the hole. Not All or Nothing. Not sure how you were riding before, spray off the line ? Anyway, you do not have to be in full boost if you do not want to. My thinking is you have much more control as a dual purpose bike with our low boost.

I'm in boost every where I go.(Not always full boost). Awesome off the line or just riding around locally. Hard crack of throttle and blow tire is great fun, you will see. Easy to ride. Your going to love it. And it will Never Run out, all good.

And yes it will wheelie in a blink if you want it too, just a much faster pop up if the traction is there.

Do you have any head work?

No, nothing all stock. I am using MSD SB6 to map my timing curve. I do all my own mapping and All I run is pump 94 octane. 3 years no boom.

Like I said though, we are going to start with 6-7lbs, and see where that puts us, and adjust boost from there.

I know we are all different people Kolk and have different approaches but My way would be to set it up for your Max boost with what ever fuel you intend to use and learn to ride it with baby steps. You know, get your set up bang on and work on the bugs because there will be some. With boost To many changes will make you nuts. Remember not like NOS. Once set up perfect start using the power slowly. Just because it has the power does not mean you will have to use all of it ? With in a Month you will want more. Promise. Anyway to many changes makes it hard IMO.


But im over 300lbs.


And your going with 18 up front ? Motor will be in boost at 3000 RPM

My builder suggested since I just want a highway roller, and more of a very powerful cruiser

17F/41R stock gearing will do all that you want. With boost your 165 lb buddies geared 16/43 will still have to work to get by lol

Also, like you mentioned, the taller gears will put more load on the turbo, and turbos like that

I don't remember exactly but when I'm at 75 mph I make 1-lb of boost. With 18 up front guessing at highway cruz speed you will be in boost 50 mph ? Just a guess but sure it's close. So do you want to be in boost while in touring mode ?


Pic of my set up


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RE: My Turbo ZX-14 Build.
04/10/13 9:24 PM

Im surprise just cruising you are in boost at all. Ive never had a turbo bike, but Ive had several turbo cars, and all of those were usually 10-15vac at highway speeds.

I understand that boost is controled by my wrist how much I want in each gear. With the nitrous, I never dragged raced and I was stock wheel base, so I never sprayed until 3rd, because even 2nd while NA was trying to lift up on me. I will say though the suspension was setup for handling, and Jerry said if he said it up for straight line, it would be a lot harder to lift without changing anything else.

I didnt mean we will start with 6-7lbs, and see where that puts us, and go from there, as in over time. I meant power wise on the dyno. If we do a couple pulls of 7 lbs, and it puts us at 260, then we will up the boost to 8, do a couple more pulls, and see what happens. By the time we get done tuning that day, I will be at the most boost I plan running on 93 octane.

I see what you are saying about the gearing, ill talk to him more about it and see what he says. If he pushes to run the 18, ill try it out for a while and see if I like it. If I dont, ill explain why, and ask him to swap it out and retune it. Im sure he wouldnt have a problem with that.



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New build, Fresh re-plated block, Velocity Racing Turbo kit, JE Turbo pistons, P&P Head, and a whole lot more. Current on 8.5psi.

2013 White ZX-14R, Full Hindle exhaust, Puig DB screen, HIDs, drop pegs, bar risers, and so on, setting it up for touring.

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RE: My Turbo ZX-14 Build.
04/11/13 4:30 AM

Been watching your build with interest and congrats on going the turbo route. I absolutely love riding this bike, ill even choose to ride it when the weather is not so good or when its really too cold its such a buzz........
My set up is not so far away from Romans kit but I went the PCV and atatchments route.
I am boosting at 6psi only, with an 18 front sprocket. Now bearing in mind I use this as a commuter 19 miles to work each day and Ill also use it to travel around europe very regularly and the fact I wanted to be able to use inferior fuel IF I had to, and keep it safe! I am currently, normally running between european 97 98 ron fuel which I think equates to US ron of 92 93. I have used less but I have been really careful(I wanted to be sure if I was away in Eastern Europe that I could get by on the fuel available if I was stuck.) (only used it as a last resort)I also run it on race fuel too. Uk Ron 102. Anyway its been no bother in the last 7000 miles this last year.
So at 6psi and 18 tooth front sprocket its great to ride,trying to find someone who can give you a run is not so easy its so damm fast, again mine is just showing positive pressure at about 70 runing through to about 1 psi at 75 or so. After that it kinda depends on load/gear at 90 mph it will cruise at 12% throttle and about 1psi boost BUT soon as you move the throttle it goes and it sort of nearly follows the throttle input........like it would on a normally aspirated bike with the fuelling sorted does in third! and thats in sixth.
It is standard wheelbase and it will wheelie if you want but it will just lift the front between gears but I have adjusted the compression and rebound all round to help stability, Its still compliant for the road , comfortable and predictable but to mainly support the rear end under viscious acceleration.
Romans assisted a great deal and am still finding my way a little with the PCV, not trusting too much but keeping it safe.....still a couple of fuel issues but it needs a check over now ready for this year, thanks again Romans
I agree with Romans too, just map it for what you feel you need as a max, on the dyno any issues will show up straight away and then feel your way with it. Its much easier to back it off IF you really want to.

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RE: My Turbo ZX-14 Build.
04/11/13 5:16 AM

I am boosting at 6psi only, with an 18 front sprocket. Now bearing in mind I use this as a commuter 19 miles to work each day and Ill also use it to travel around europe very regularly and the fact I wanted to be able to use inferior fuel IF I had to, and keep it safe! I am currently,

My thoughts were based on his weight. Also, 18T front with 300lbs plus gear going to be hard on clutch around town as a dual purpose bike. 17/41 also keeps his speedo in check while still being Stupid Fast.

Im surprise just cruising you are in boost at all.

I was amazed at how much difference there was with each new gear change as to when boost comes in. I was constantly making maps. My set up keeps My AFR lean until I approach boost levels(when at cruzing speeds). Long trips hard on fuel if map is wrong. I'm sure your tuner knows this. If not mention that you plan on touring a bit. In short rich AFR spools up faster but not good on long trips. This is assuming you are doing dual purpose.

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RE: My Turbo ZX-14 Build.
04/11/13 8:43 AM

My thoughts were based on his weight. Also, 18T front with 300lbs plus gear going to be hard on clutch around town as a dual purpose bike. 17/41 also keeps his speedo in check while still being Stupid Fast

Absolutley , the 6% difference or so will do exactly as you said, I was going back to a 17t front but I think Im going to leave it.
Romans just on the side I have been working with a guy from your part of the world, bit further over in Hamilton...



07 Turbo 14, Meteor grey, cycle part kit modified,IHI turbo ,bosch pump -6 hoses, RRFPR, woolich, 8psi Boost,Flies out, 17/42, road use only,tail tidy, Braided hoses Stainless bolt kit, odyssey. ZX12r rear wheel. Tail tidy. Akrapovic

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RE: My Turbo ZX-14 Build.
04/11/13 1:41 PM

My normal commute, lets say going to work, is 95% highway, and it takes me about 35 minutes to get to work, and that doing about 70-75mph the whole way. Right now its my only bike, but Im thinking about picking up a FZ1 for normal trips, basic commuting, days I want to ride but roads might not be in great shape, possible rain, and backroading.

FZ1 would get a set of Pirelli Angel tires, new springs for my weight, better brakes, and probably a bigger windscreen, and it would be done. lol



2007 Plasma Blue ZX-14.
New build, Fresh re-plated block, Velocity Racing Turbo kit, JE Turbo pistons, P&P Head, and a whole lot more. Current on 8.5psi.

2013 White ZX-14R, Full Hindle exhaust, Puig DB screen, HIDs, drop pegs, bar risers, and so on, setting it up for touring.

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RE: My Turbo ZX-14 Build.
04/11/13 3:22 PM

Right now its my only bike, but Im thinking about picking up a FZ1 for normal trips, basic commuting, days I want to ride but roads might not be in great shape, possible rain, and backroading.
FZ1 would get a set of Pirelli Angel tires, new springs for my weight, better brakes, and probably a bigger windscreen, and it would be done. lol

Lol, Let me tell you this as it may save you some $$$$$$$$$, I picked a 2012 ZX-14R last year for a second bike. I Never Ever Ride It(600km). As nice as it is, the fun factor is just not there,,,,once you have been hooked by boost hard to ride anything else. Maybe wait ?????

Romans just on the side I have been working with a guy from your part of the world, bit further over in Hamilton..

Steel town,,,, send him home lol

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RE: My Turbo ZX-14 Build.
04/12/13 6:49 PM

Yea, I wouldnt be buying the FZ1 soon, but all the guys I ride with are all backroading kneedraggers, so id like to get something flickable but still comfortable for a long day of backroading.

Id like to say, a 2nd bike would be soon, BUT like you said, probably once I actually start riding a turbo 14, I wont be able to even imagine riding something else.


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2007 Plasma Blue ZX-14.
New build, Fresh re-plated block, Velocity Racing Turbo kit, JE Turbo pistons, P&P Head, and a whole lot more. Current on 8.5psi.

2013 White ZX-14R, Full Hindle exhaust, Puig DB screen, HIDs, drop pegs, bar risers, and so on, setting it up for touring.

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RE: My Turbo ZX-14 Build.
04/25/13 9:14 AM

Sadly, due to conflicting schedules, I still havent seen the block. And on that note, he said he will probably need me to bring the frame over on Sunday. So I bet the motor is almost fully assembled by now. Since before hand, he said he didnt want the frame there taking up room, until the motor was ready to be raised into place. So there may not be any engine build pics, other than here it is ready to go into the bike. lol



2007 Plasma Blue ZX-14.
New build, Fresh re-plated block, Velocity Racing Turbo kit, JE Turbo pistons, P&P Head, and a whole lot more. Current on 8.5psi.

2013 White ZX-14R, Full Hindle exhaust, Puig DB screen, HIDs, drop pegs, bar risers, and so on, setting it up for touring.

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RE: My Turbo ZX-14 Build.
04/25/13 7:30 PM

So there may not be any engine build pics, other than here it is ready to go into the bike. lol


Sadly,

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