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Created on: 10/14/16 09:25 AM

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Turbo Basics
10/14/16 9:25 AM

So I am starting to research a turbo.

https://store.schnitzracing.com/rcc-turbo-kit-stage-1-kawasaki-zx14-06-16/

I dont know much about what all is involved but I do all my own work on my bikes so I am savvy. Can someone give me the high level things I will run into with a turbo install? For example,

Buy Turbo (about 5k)

Install Turbo - Nuts and bolts but what else? Any welding required? Any specialty tools that are turbo specific?

Now before first startup what has to happen? Do most folks have a tuner install and tune? Or should I install and then drive it to a Tuner before first startup?

Thats about where my knowledge stops. What are the high points and hidden costs? Dont mind reading if you have good links. Thanks!



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RE: Turbo Basics
10/15/16 6:36 PM

You can read the posts in the turbo section. I detailed my install under 'turbo bug bites' and update the thread if and when new info becomes available. I am a novice compared to other members like Romans, but would try to help you out. For gen. 2, Romans has turboed that and a few other bikes as well. Due to higher compression of gen. 2, the safe max boost is 4 psi, whereas mine can be run up to 6 psi. I have added methanol injection to keep the pistons safe, up to around 12 psi, not that I run it up that high.

I run premium high octane gas, but E85, is safer on pistons and can take more boost, but requires larger injectors and compatible fuel pump. There is a build thread on E85, but dont think it is complete. So methanol injection is a substitute for E85 or high octane race fuel.

Some must haves in a turbo:
1) AFR gauge, you dont want lean condition, especially under boost.
2) fuel pressure gauge, start at 43 psi, like oem.
3) boost gauge

You can buy components off ebay and piece things together, but since its your first turbo, maybe a kit is a better solution. Try pm Romans to see what he says. He also has maps that can be used as a baseline. A qualified dyno tuner is a good idea and I think there is one in Indiana (Schnitz performance??) He should be able to dial in the fueling to keep your engine safe. I relied on my gauges, and in my second year with the turbo. If you turbo, you will love it, whether you race or use it as a daily ride like me.

I dont think specialty tools are needed and you should not have to weld unless you want to make your own header. A few other helpful places to look is "psycho bike" and even hayabusa forums if you have a lot of free time. Some guy turboed a Concours and he detailed a lot in his thread.

I've made many mistakes in my build thread, but thankfully nothing blew up yet. I think Romans friend ran his boost up too high and incurred damage which made him buy a new 14. Good luck.


* Last updated by: knovikov on 10/15/2016 @ 6:46 PM *



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RE: Turbo Basics
10/18/16 5:21 AM

Install Turbo - Nuts and bolts but what else? Any welding required? Any specialty tools that are turbo specific?

The kit your looking at comes complete with all that is needed for the install.

What are the high points and hidden costs?

Your method of controlling fueling. Easiest is PCV. Richard at RCC provides a map with the kit. Should you need map help I'm sure we can get you sorted.

Some must haves in a turbo:
1) AFR gauge, you dont want lean condition, especially under boost.
2) fuel pressure gauge, start at 43 psi, like oem.
3) boost gauge

Parts listed above are very important when getting to know your bike. Keeping motor safe must be out front.

I've made many mistakes in my build thread, but thankfully nothing blew up yet. I think Romans friend ran his boost up too high and incurred damage which made him buy a new 14.

Ahhh, "Boost Greed". Yes it is a very real problem once the taste of boost has been enjoyed. But in this case we boosted a Gen 1 that had a motor that was built from parts a pieces.(Junk Motor Basically) And to be expected it let go.

In another case with only thicker head gasket and springs we ran a 14R 11 lbs(326hp). With No timing pulled the head gasket let go. We have tested the breaking points. With that being said you don't have to. So please ask away.

rickromans@rogers.com is where I can be reached if you need immediate help. Forum is good but to slow as not everyone reads. Phone call still best at filling in the blanks.


Pics below shows a project I'm just finishing up. This bike has home made turbo system(Garrett 30)


* Last updated by: Romans on 10/18/2016 @ 5:42 AM *

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RE: Turbo Basics
11/03/16 7:29 AM

Interesting stuff there, just learned something new.

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RE: Turbo Basics
10/24/18 11:32 PM

https://www.facebook.com/musclecaarslegend/videos/410757356021821/

WOThell just happened? Anyone wanna take a crack at this? No pun intended.



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