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Created on: 05/13/20 11:23 PM

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Fairings
05/13/20 11:23 PM

Okay.So I'm planning on changing my plugs.I've always gone according to the manual.This time out,I'd like to minimize some work time.Anyone know if it's possible to remove the midfairing and lower fairing(including the side cover)as one piece.Seems like it could be doable.Any thoughts on this guys?Perhaps remove the side covers seperately at the beginning.My H2 isn't this involved.Though I thought it would be a nightmare.Much easier actually than the 14.Hey all...thanks for any input.Appreciate it.

Gonna add the healtech shifter while I'm at it;).


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RE: Fairings
05/14/20 7:02 AM

If you're talking the piece that adjoins the top cowl and the lower being removed as one piece, some people said they did that with the Gen1. It's already pretty tough to get the side to fit into hat small point in the top fairing plus connecting the blinker. I 'd rather take them off separately.



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RE: Fairings
05/14/20 10:28 AM

I think I was able to get the midfairing and lower off in one piece before.IDK.I'll check it again.I just really dislike them putting those two small bolts(gen 2)in there that connect the mid to the lower.That's the most annoying part of it all!One of those deals that make ya go 'HUH?'.


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RE: Fairings
05/14/20 9:33 PM

Got her all opened up now.Two new plugs installed.Having an issue with the third one.Second in from left side.Taking a break now.Old plug is out,new one...not wanting to thread in past a couple of easy turns.

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RE: Fairings
05/15/20 8:19 AM

Damn Green, I want to swear for you!!

First thing I'd do is don't force it to turn. It still should turn easy after only two rotations. If the threads in the head get damaged, that's not a good area to try to fix them.

If you haven't already is tried a different plug in that hole, do that. Maybe there's something wrong with the threads on the plug you used.

If all plugs stop after two turns, you could try dropping a cleaner tap down the hole. I'd much rather do that with the valve cover removed. It might even be worthwhile to remove the whole head to make sure nothing drops down into the cylinder.

I'd ask Hub what to do.



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RE: Fairings
05/15/20 11:29 AM

Yeah.I hear ya Daron.I did try another plug.Same thing.Somehow the threads got damaged(mildly)just a bit further down than at the top part(on the cover).NO idea how that could happen when the plug was going in for several turns fine.Anyway,I did talk with the Hubmiester.He suggested a chaser in there,but there's really no room to get a turning tool in that small area.I can't see it anyway.And make sure it's aligning correctly.Too dicey for me.Gonna have the shop do this.If they need to remove the cover,then that's fine.I don't want any chips or anything falling down in there.I couldn't know for sure if I tried to do it.So...it's gonna be in hospital this next week.Can't believe I did this.I've changed em a few times before with NO issues.Oh well...sometimes things just go sideways!Sa'll good.She's ready to be worked on...all fairing and such are off so they won't have ta deal with any of that.Still can't believe i did this.It's definitely not 'ruined' or anything.I'm just not gonna mess with it and make things worse ya know?It can't be too severe.I stopped turning as soon as it began getting tighter.Plug threads looked fine.No damage.No slivers of anything.

Waiting now on my H2 fuel filter.Backordered.Changed the plugs on her.WAY easier than the 14,tell ya that.Just remove the fuel tank(totally easy)and there they were(the coils).Straight down there on the head.Thought it would be a nightmare kinda.It wasn't.Now if they could design the 14 with a removable airbox!

Ya know,with all their tech at Kawasaki one would think they could have had a steel sleeve in there just for this reason!!!


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RE: Fairings
05/15/20 1:43 PM

Anyway,I did talk with the Hubmiester.He suggested a chaser in there,but there's really no room to get a turning tool in that small area.I can't see it anyway.And make sure it's aligning correctly.Too dicey for me.

Yeah, I have some thread restoring taps and I used one to fix the threads in the bolthole for the back bolt on my Gen1 grill body panel if you recall. It worked like a charm but ...I could clearly see the bolthole and if I F'ed it up, drilling and tapping new threads or doing a helicoil would not have been too difficult. With a spark plug hole, that's not the case especially on the 14.

I found this and this looks like what I might try. Actually, I'd probably take the whole head off just to make sure there were no problems. Major. You gotta be that dang careful if you never did stuff before though. Sounds like that's what you're doin Greenie so good for you. If you trust the shop, they'll get it done quicker and it will be worth the fee.

This spark plug hole is horizontal and it's not down a well so that makes everything a lot easier.



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RE: Fairings
05/15/20 2:29 PM

I'm gonna attempt a thread chaser first.Ordered one online.Should be here tuesday my day off;)10mm 1.25 as per Hub.I MIGHT be able to get this worked out if I can get it past where the tightening spot is.Hopefully.Just go really slow and easy with it.I know there can't be a mass amount of damage in there.No way.I never forced it in.Just stopped when it snugged up barely.

I'm thinkin it's just a part of one thread in there that's off.Everything under that thread is okay.If I can just get it to pass that one spot.Fingers crossed;)
I was gonna set up a pickup date next week...I called the dealer and the guy knows I wanted to get it over there.(yesterday).Today I called to set it up again for Tuesday...counter guy said the service guy was busy with another customer and he'd call me back.So far,it's been almost two hours.I'm takin that as a sign that the chaser might just work fine.If I could get some top force down on the socket I maybe could get it to thread in there correctly if I went really slow.But I'll wait till tuesday when I get that tool.So hard to 'walk away' from this thing...just goes against everything I feel about wanting to get this right myself.I'm sure ya know what I mean.lol.When I was installing the others,I kept thinkin 'okay,you know that's soft threads in there,so take yer time and get it right,you've done this before'


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RE: Fairings
05/16/20 3:24 AM

You get unpredictable results once in a while, even on the most routine procedures.

I had a very similar situation happen with my busa when I was installing the exhaust. The busa has bolts that fasten the headers to the manifold (instead of nuts like the 14). I don't remember noticing anything unusual when I removed the header bolts but when I installed the aftermarket headers, one bolt stopped after a couple turns like your spark plug. WTF? I just removed those bolts without a problem, how could there be anything wrong? I even matched the bolts I removed to the same hole they came out of. Upon closer examination, the head of the bolt that was stopping was not parallel to the tip of the bolt. It wasn't very obvious, it was only a few degrees off and there were no metal flakes that came out on the bolt. I bought a new bolt and just like the original, it only went in a couple turns and stopped.

Someone on hayabusa.org suggested a thread restoring tap of which none were immediately available to me. He then suggested using an ordinary tap and threading it in just past the sticky point. It probably was only a small section of the threads that were bent and I might not need to thread the tap in deep enough to really do any major cutting. So, as recommended, I oiled an ordinary tap and threaded it in making sure the tap was very straight. Then I put the handle on tap and turned it a quarter turn or so, maybe a half turn. There wasn't much if any metal removed, the top threads are wider than the deeper ones. The new bolt went in nicely.

I doubt very much you had a bent spark plug in there but the top threads are wider and looser like my situation and that's what allowed the old plug to come out without damaging the top threads. If the plug didn't stick the whole way out, it's probably just the threads closer to the top that got roughed up. I have a feeling you might need to chase the the threads the whole depth though. The only likely cause was a chunk of rust on the old plug that broke away and left a bur. Who knows at what point that was on the spark plug threads? If the plug came out easily, probably only a short distance of thread near the top of the hole and a slight bur was turned up in the counterclockwise direction. That would be best case scenario. Top or bottom, it could only be a slight deviation from normal smooth threads right now. The chaser tap will fix that. You already avoided a much worse problem by not forcing a new plug through marginally rough threads. I would try chasing just the top few threads after the tap goes in and hits the rough spot. Then take it out and try the plug. If the plug now stops after three turns, thread the tap in deeper and then try the plug again.

I have a feeling the chaser will fit tighter to the threads than the spark plug. Maybe get a nice quality M10 nut and try that on both the tap and the spark plug to get an idea of how they each should feel in smooth threads. I would make an effort to not tap beyond the bottom thread. If you grease the tap up good, it's doubtful anything will fall out of the flutes in the tap but no need to tempt fate. Count the threads of the spark plug and that's how many turns you need to run the tap in at max. Also, you want to avoid hitting the piston and I believe Hub has told me that combustion chamber up top of the cylinder does not have much depth. If you are close to TDC on that cylinder, the piston dome is right there waiting.

I think this will work out great Greenie. Just be careful like you have been. No rush. Slow methodical work is the way to get this done right.


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RE: Fairings
05/16/20 11:18 AM

"Just be careful like you have been"..apparently not careful enough!!!Geez.There's always a first time eh?

Right.Thanks Daron.Pretty much yeah.Gonna lightly run the chaser to the stick point and a smidgen beyond...IF it feels like it's fixing it.If I feel any resistance beyond slight(like it REALLY doesn't want to go further),I'm gonna stop and call it a day...then off to hospital for her and let them git-er-done.Hub suggested just letting them at it.I agree,EXCEPT...I may you know be able to correct this thing if it's like one thread down in there.It couldn't be too bad.I think I may have possibly got it slightly cocked when taking the old one out at the very end.We'll see.Thanks man for your feedback and support.It's so far back under there ya can't see if it's straight(with a socket),ya gotta go by feel.I do anyway.


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RE: Fairings
05/16/20 1:44 PM

"Just be careful like you have been"..apparently not careful enough!!!Geez.There's always a first time eh?

With this kind of thing, it doesn't matter how careful you are. It's going to happen once in a while.

I think I may have possibly got it slightly cocked when taking the old one out at the very end.

If that's the case, there couldn't be much wrong with the threads. The old spark plug wasn't cross threaded. It's a large diameter thread so maybe it lifted one area up a hair. One thing I often do is seat the male threads on top of the hole and then turn counterclockwise. You'll feel the threads drop together when the beginning of each meet. Stop and turn clockwise and they should thread together nicely. You avoid needing to find where the beginning threads start by turning clockwise and possibly starting them together crooked.

Try the chaser in a brand new nut and see how tightly it fits in good threads. The one I used went in very tight especially as it got deeper in the hole. Those threads were damaged pretty bad though. Because of the way a tap is shaped, threads at the top of the hole are wide and they get narrow at the bottom of the hole. The deeper you go, the tighter it will probably get.


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RE: Fairings
05/16/20 1:59 PM

Well,I'm setting up a pickup for tuesday.I don't want to deal with this thing anymore.I'd rather let them fix this.They know what they're doing.Probably get these a few times a year.I just don't have the correct tools to get in there and make sure everything's aligned and such.It's so close to threading in.But I can't actually see what's goin on with the alignment.I can feel the plug being 'off' as I try to tighten it.(finger tighten that is).Nah.I'll let the pros get it.They can do the left side one as well while they're in there.Better safe than sorry.

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RE: Fairings
05/16/20 4:43 PM

If you trust their work, you can't go wrong.



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RE: Fairings
05/16/20 5:06 PM

And I did coat the coils with grease last time.Made taking em out really smooth.

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RE: Fairings
05/16/20 9:24 PM



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RE: Fairings
06/08/20 4:35 PM

Grn14, I am curious what came of this. Was the shop able to clear the threads and put in the new spark plug? Hoping it worked out well for you.



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RE: Fairings
06/08/20 10:16 PM

Oh hey Mani...yep.They didn't say anything about having to do anything to the plug threads.All came out good.I will talk to the mech next time I see him,ask him about any problems.I know they couldn't have been 'too' messed up.I never forced the plug in there.Just refused to go in.It would turn like it was doing fine,then just snug up.No idea what was causing it.But the plug definitely wasn't sitting in there straight like it should be.When it tightened up.


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RE: Fairings
06/09/20 4:26 AM

Better safe than sorry.



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RE: Fairings
06/09/20 7:42 AM

Let's just hope that when you talk to the mechanic, he doesn't say
" Oh I just used a huge ratchet wrench and the plug eventually went in."

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RE: Fairings
06/09/20 8:10 AM

Now THAT's funny!lmao.


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RE: Fairings
06/09/20 3:09 PM

Mad, you laugh, but that was the first thing I thought of too, LOL!
Grn, very good to hear it worked out well. My first set of ZX14 plugs will be needed before I know it so I am trying to stay informed.

On my cruiser, one of the 4 plugs is in a very awkward/angled spot right under the frame so a cross thread has always been my concern. It has somehow worked out every time but you never know with these things.



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