So we have a few turbo kits on the market Muzzy, ATP, Cycleogic mcxpress and Big cc.
All seem to use very old technology turbos, such as the t3/t4 and the vf 22/34 ihi these have been around for years ,except the Garrett s are recent units.
I had a thread from, holywood ,old site and he had used a mitsubishi unit, for those of you that have done your own kits ,which is what i am currently in the process of doing what other units have you used that will deliver 500cfm or so and what spec have you come up with ......anyone got any input
thanks
Grinner

I used an ATP kit, which has a GT 30 turbo. Couldn't find the output in air flow, but Garrett says it's for 1.8 to 3.0 L engines, and 300 to 460 HP.

It feels pretty nice on this bike, leaving the flies in the low end is very smooth and great throttle response, and boost comes on smoothly and quickly. At 90 MPH, cruising, it is at 1 PSI. I have it currently set to 6, but an considering 7 or 8.

Fun addon.

* Last updated by: JDC on 4/3/2009 @ 4:25 PM *

hello speedfreaks,my name is bluemotion,and i am a new member from the netherlands.i want to turbocharge my 2008 midnight saphyre blue zx14 and i already ordered an extended swingarm at thompsons usa for putting the turbo power on the tarmac instead of in the air.this summer i will go to england and have a look and a very long chat with sean miller of bigcc racing in wokingham near londen.i hope that somebody on this forum has detailed and technical info about turbocharging the zx14,perhaps with photos?cant wait to talk with you guys about our bikes!greets from amsterdam.

hi guys im still ongoing with accumulating parts for my kit, I think like Jdc i will end up setting mine at about 6psi seeing as ill only use it on the road i think thats more than enough,,,,until i really get used to it.
As far as ive seen you can go to about 8psi trawling through the websites, ,Harry s and others and checking on the static compression im sure thats more than enough considering the varying fuel quality throughout europe which is where i travel regularly, as i say 6 psi would really be enough for me. If i were to go further it would mean as you will know im sure that a change of pistons and rods would be needed and one reason i dont like the Bigg CC kit is that they put in a sandwich plate between the block and head, never a reliable fix in my experience, I work with turbo cars every day(performance) and understand the problems associated with this method, IMH opinion if you choose to go this way you may as well go the piston and rod route to start with! But then thats extra cost for achieving the same thing, so long as you keep the motor "safe" regarding det. and associated temperatures then alls ok.
I have to say that when i was looking through all the available kits I thought the atp kit was the nicest looking, normally and im sorry if i offend anyone but in my experience some of the engineering quality is not up to what i would be satisfied with, but going on from that Harry s kit did look very nice maybe JDC can confirm that ????
What do you think about this then???

hi grin 14,
can you tell me everything you know about the ATP kit?(photos?)and whats the story of the sandwich plate?are there members out there who allready turbocharged their zx14?perhaps you guys want to share yourknowledge and photos with me ?

If you want the best of the best there is only one out there:

The McXpress kit is top of the line.

Unfortunately Mr. Marklund is busy turbocharging Snowmobiles so he does not have the time to build kits for bikes at the moment.
However if there were enough byers he might consider making a series of ZX14 turbo kits.

Check out: http://www.mc-xpress.com/

It comes with intercoler and ecu unit and it is completely hidden under fairing.
Std. kit gives 340 rwhp

* Last updated by: voodoodoo on 3/8/2009 @ 4:49 AM *

http://www.cycle-logicmotorsports.com/
www.atp-hd..com and follow route to kawasaki
www.bigccracing.com
www.orientexpress.com
http://www.orientexpress.com/Kawasaki/Sport/ZX+14+Ninja/Turbo/ atp and mr turbo kits
www.mrturbo.com
and also something to get your teeth into http://www.turbobygarrett.com/
there are a few other sites with turbo info but ive swopped computers and lost a little of the info i had
With regards to the spacer plate its a method not liked by many as a shortcut to lowering the compression if you are going to lower it do it by changing pistons and rods, not introducing two gaskets and spacer material in the combustion area.
As far as the mcepress kit the only thing with regards that kit is the intrusion of the intercooler and the cutting or resiting ,when i last saw pictures of it it looked pretty poor to me IMHO
ill try and dig out some more info if required, regards grinner

wow!this is info!thanks guys.at the moment i m comparing the turbokits of :ATP , BIGCC ,CYCLELOGIC ,MUZZYS and MRTURBO .i have dynosheets of the first three ,not for the most hp , but for max driveability.i like the cyclelogic system but i don t like the external extra oil pump.is there anyone with dynosheets of muzzys and mrturbo?i don t understand mr marklund from mcexpress , his kit looks kind a raw and unfinished to me especialy the intercooler , wich i think touches the front fender.why developping a kit and then having no time to sell it?i wonder what his dynosheet looks like.keep the info coming guys!greets from amsterdam.

voodoo will the tire hit the intercooler when strapped ...and how can i purchase just the innercooler

* Last updated by: Badzx14r on 3/26/2009 @ 3:54 PM *

bluemotion:
The kit is not unfinished at all, it is shown with the fairings unmounted. everything hides under fairing. It is shown without fairings to review all parts.
The cooler would not hit the fender/tyre.

why develop and not sell: Well, mr. Marklund is an motorbike enhusiast and therefore he just had to make a kit for the zzr1400 when it came. just to see how it responded on turbocharging.. The result, awesome performance&reliability.

However mcxpress main thing is turbocharging snowmobiles, the motorbike is just "hobby" and fun...

Badzx: Np, the tire wuld not hit the cooler.

I dunno if he sells the cooler separately but mail him and ask...

info@mcx.se

Hey, Mr. Marklund, Nice hobby! Hey, Voodoo, lucky you!

Hub: I'm not lucky.. Mr Marklund havent got the time to make my turbo kit either..
Too busy tuning snowmobiles.. :o)

Voodoo,

School me/we. No other turbo companies have their own remote control box, correct? UB better look out. That vacuum assist box is impressive. Sure wish my 14 could, stem cristie.

Hub:
No, i havent seen any other kit with remote box, ether with intercooler.
the thing with the Marklund kit is that they are so well buildt compared to others.

Thats probably why he is nr1 in turbocharging 4stroke snowmobiles.
He has developed factory kits for both Yamaha and ski-doo/rotax..

Anyway, im on waiting list for the zx14kit.. hopefully he will have some time during summer making a serie of kits.

Grin:

Overall I like the ATP kit, but since I always put on a wish list to things, here I go. For the ATP kit here are a few kudos and a wish list:

1. Kudo - The header fit like a glove. I ordered the header with a flange for a wastegate, which I will now use after I've had some experience with the 'actuator' arm accuracy.

2. Wish - That the kit came with a full exuahst system as advertised on the site. Harry says that 'policy' was changed a while back, but forgot to take it off his internet site and list of included parts. That is one important consideration I made when I ordered the kit, that it included the full exhaust setup. So he charged me some $$$ to have the exhaust done, though it could have come to about $300'ish if I had turned my dump pipe back to him... still, not what was advertised. Adding an extra $$$ was not appreciated. It is still posted on his web site as being included... !

3. Kudo - Harry seems to be very informative about the setup and was always willing to come to the phone.

4. Wish - That the guages supplied allowed for illumination. They are pretty much useless at night.

6. Kudo - The turbo setup, with my level of experience, seems 'just right' for this bike.

7. Wish - Don't know if possible, but having the exhaust of the setup on the right side of the bike would solve all of exhaust system twisting and also oil line-exhaust issues, so that would require the turbo kinda being reversed.

8. Kudo - the turbo fit 'exactly' on the bike, and 'under' the radiator (actuator arm). Tolerances/design are tight.

9. Kudo - to go from Stage 1 to Stage 2, if you already have the header with wastegate flange, you just have to do the engine mod, and weld shut the actuator port on the turbo... viola!

10. Wish - the mounting bracket-fuel pressure gadget is a bit of a nightmare to install. A new bracket, perhaps similar to the one I made up, makes mounting the thing way easy. The bracket is a little more complex than the one supplied, but allows for very quick mounting and dis-mounting. This bracket allows the battery facing to fit back perfectly.

11. Kudo - bike with muffler almost looks OEM. You can see the filter that comes with the ATP kit.

I put a mod'ed K-N on it. Much more subtle and performs seemilgly the same as the larger one that came with the kit. I have not been able to tell any difference when the boost comes on or any other change to performance. :) It is about 3" shorter in height.

* Last updated by: JDC on 4/5/2009 @ 11:42 AM *

JC,what is the clearence to the front tire. From the photo looks tight ? If you turn left ?

* Last updated by: Romans on 4/4/2009 @ 5:00 AM *

Cleanance from?

It is all stock cleanance. It's just the angle of the photo. The oil pump now has beem moved back and dlwon a bit, as well.

* Last updated by: JDC on 4/4/2009 @ 9:31 AM *

Hi have been away with work again so first time on for a while,say the kit is surely not standard atp is it? actuator on radiator and normal kit comes without an oil pump? correct me if im wrong,I still havent got round to finishing my manifold so am a bit behind with project now, have you any photos of any of the oil plumbing available?

"Grin RE: Kits
04/05/09 3:39 AM

Hi have been away with work again so first time on for a while,say the kit is surely not standard atp is it? actuator on radiator and normal kit comes without an oil pump? correct me if im wrong,I still havent got round to finishing my manifold so am a bit behind with project now, have you any photos of any of the oil plumbing available?"

I put on the oil pump because the full exhaust required a rerouting of the return oil line under the exhaust pipe and then to the pan, lowering it, creating a valley in the line just enough to back up the oil which resulted in getting blow back through the turbo exhaust side seals and a LOT of blue smoke out the tail pipe. I pulled the line up against the exhaust pipe initially, after insulating it. and that helped, but did not fully prevent the problem. Since the oil pump install, it is perfect... and also reroutes the line 'better', as well.

This one is where I put a piece of insulation on the oil return line after the exhaust was first put on and raised it to remove the 'valley' from the middle that created the back flow. There was still a small 'valley' that is hard to picture in the photo, and raising it removed the blue blow out unless on an incline, or coming to a quick stop... and then sitting at the red light.

These are the initial photos of locating the oil pump...

You can see the blue fitting in this pic. The hose actually had a slight uphill to the pump, but it worked ok. The pump ended up being lowered 7/8" more and slightly back - reward also, so now the hose is about exactly level from turbo to pump. I will have to take some pics of that once I get back into the bike at a future date.

These are a few, but not with the pumps final lower and a little more rearward placement only. the oil scavange pump did the trick. If the turbo exhaust was on the right side, there would have been no issue, and the exhaust pipe construction could have been pretty straight forward. I don't know if it would be possible to reverse mount the GT-30 turbo on this bike. My guess would be no, or Harry likely would have done it, I believe.

* Last updated by: JDC on 4/5/2009 @ 11:19 AM *

JDC where did you get that wind shield from? i have been looking for one that tall.
how is the turbulance with that one?

I have the cyclelogic kit. my first recomendation when it comes to turbo's... go with a company that answers the phone. you will need tech sapport at one point or another. Hence I went with the cycle logic kit. dave is awsome at helping you out. we are now running the stage 2 kit and the 1 and 2 kit are nice. Im not sure how to post pics but if you go to cycle logics page you will see my bike being built. that was the stage 1 kit. stage 2 pics will be up soon.

people have big balls to ride a turbo 14 on a stock length swing arm. for a stage one, what do people generally like for swing arm length to keep the front wheel down some?

jlcumb2

JDC where did you get that wind shield from? i have been looking for one that tall.
how is the turbulance with that one?

Sorry for the late reply, I don't remember to hit this part of the site very often..... Hey lets move all posts into one category! LOL

The windshield is a lower portion of a Pugh double bubble and then a double bubble on top of it.. so in effect a triple bubble. The wind use to hit me in the upper chest, now it is on the chin of the helmet. It is raised about 5+" from OEM. Only way I could figure out how to get those guages right up to in front of my eyes.

Since then I am considering mounting the guages on the left and right cowling, beside the dash guages, and maybe put the boost guage in the middle, over the reset buttons, in a pod mounted on a hinge.

Just considering as I don't have 'high' energy to do it right now... but I am getting close. Now that I see how reliable the parts/guages function together, I don't think I need to always be watching the guages.

I have also since gone to about 6 deg retard static and 7 PSI.

* Last updated by: JDC on 5/31/2009 @ 4:58 PM *

Slakivich

people have big balls to ride a turbo 14 on a stock length swing arm. for a stage one, what do people generally like for swing arm length to keep the front wheel down some?

I am about 6-7" extended. Works fine, but if I really hit it, it will still stand up in 1 and 2. Haven't tried in 3 or higher... but it is much better than stock length for preventing unexpected pop ups.

looks like i good deal for a stage 2 mr turbo if anyone interested heres the link

http://www.zx14.net/publicforum/index.php?topic=8695.0;topicseen