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Gille's Tooling kts chain adjusters and safety mod
12/24/12 11:56 PM

Gilles Tooling kts Chain Adjuster Installation and Safety Mod.

The Gilles Tooling kts Chain adjuster has a bad reputation for breaking while in use. The rear axle slides forward in the axle slot causing a serious safety problem. The product has been revised but not for the ZX-14 or Hayabusa. The old adjuster is no longer in production for these bikes but you may still find them available from some vendors. I got mine from OPP Racing.

Internet videos and motorcycle forum discussions document the kts chain adjusters tendency to break at the slider arm but in some instances, the information shows that the guidance framework was also broken. A look at the inside of the slider arm is enough to raise suspicion. The slider arm is a hollow aluminum sleeve that the adjuster screw threads through.

The kts chain adjuster, outer view.

I believe this product would have been a lot stronger if the slider arm were simply made solid with a hole drilled and threaded all the way through rather than than the large, open slot turnbuckle design that was chosen.

Viewed from the inside, the kts’ weak spot is revealed. The slider has a large hollow inside it’s arm. It seems possible that the permanent mount holes (small holes for optional permanent fastening to the swing arm) decrease the guidance strength.

The OEM chain adjustment equipment supports the axle by an adjuster screw [A] which pushes the axle block [B] backward.

The Gilles Tooling kts chain adjuster supports the axle by an adjuster screw that pulls (rather than pushes) the slider backward. The torque of modern sport bikes apparently can cause forward force on the axle that is sometimes too great for the kts adjuster to withstand.

The standard configuration of a kts chain adjuster (as shown in the photo of below) is to have one forward button head bolt replacing the OEM adjuster bolt. This button head bolt is not used as an adjuster bolt. It only holds the adjuster frame to the swing arm. There are also two button head bolts at the back of the swing arm that hold the the adjuster from moving laterally.

But lateral movement does not seem to be the the problem. When these things give, the forward force actually pulls the slider in half.

The counter part that hooks behind the swing arm does not even contact the back of the swingarm. As you can see, I was able to slide this folded piece of paper right through a gap between the counter part and the back of the swing arm. The counter part is not holding the axle from being pulled forward. It only holds the guidance firmly into the swing arm.

My idea to strengthen the kts chain adjuster is to retain the OEM adjuster screw so that the slider is supported at the front as well as well as from behind.

Below is my modded kts adjuster with the OEM adjuster screw and lock nut in place. There are also 3 washers placed under the locknut as shims. The shims space the lock nut away from the tapering inside of the chain adjuster so that the adjuster bolt and lock nut can be more easily reached with a wrench.

It is important to have a long enough chain to allow the axle to be centered on just a bit past the second swing arm mark (see photo above). If the chain is not long enough to allow the washers and OEM adjuster bolt and lock nut to fit, the lock nut, the bolt head or both may be ground down to a slimmer profile. It may also be possible to omit the washers, however it would require a very thin, perhaps modified wrench to fit into the forward taper of the kts adjuster guidance.

Below is a link to a Gilles Tooling kts Chain Adjusters thread I started before purchasing my adjusters. The topic deals with the safety of the adjusters and what might be allowing them to break.

Gille's Tooling Chain Adjusters

Tools:
six 7 mm flat washers
rat tail file
12mm open end wrench
4mm hex tool
non permanent thread locking agent
10mm open end wrench

1. Take note of exactly where the rear axle is in relationship to the marks on the swing arm Remove the rear axle and OEM chain adjuster axle blocks (see Wheel Removal, steps 21 through 23 and 25 and 26). It is not necessary to remove the wheel from the swing arm.

My axle seems to be centered on about 2 and a third marks.


2. Determine which adjuster you want to have on each side of your bike according to
your axle nut position preference. I tighten my axle nut on the right so the threaded end of the axle is also on the right.

[b]Each side of the kts adjuster has a different slider. The side with the round recess surrounding the axle hole goes on the side of the bike that you have your axle nut. The side with the flat sided recess around the axle hole goes on the other side of the bike where the axle has the two flats on the end.


3. You will need six 7 mm flat washers.

8 mm washers may work without modification. The 7 mm that I got needed to have the holes enlarged with a rat tail file so that they would slide freely over the threaded portion of the chain adjuster screws.


4. Place the adjuster into the proper side of the swing arm. Draw the chain adjuster screw locknut up to the screw head and slide three 7mm flat washers over the threads of the OEM chain adjuster screw.


I had considered using a shorter screw in place of the OEM but after measuring, it seemed that the OEM screw was not execessively long AT ALL.

A chain of average length is used up by the time it reaches a bit past the third mark on the swing arm. I considered the fourth mark to be the maximum wheelbase I would ever be likely to adjust the chain to. I measured the distance the screw would be threaded out if it were supporting the slider with the axle centered on the fourth mark.


I also measured the portion of the screw threads below the chain adjuster locknut that was clean of lock tight. I assume that to be the depth of threads in the swing arm for adjuster screw. The total length of screw that I would probably ever need was about 50mm. The OEM screw is about 60 mm.


5. Snug the adjuster screw locknut with a 12mm open end wrench so that the kts
adjuster is held flush to the front the adjuster slot.


6. Use a 4mm hex tool to tighten the two screws that fasten the counter part. I also used non permanent thread locking agent on the threads.

According to Gilles Tooling instructions, these screws should be torqued to 5 Nm (3.7 foot pounds). Considering how thin the aluminum hooks on the counter part are, I felt that was much too tight. I tightened them up so that they cannot move laterally and used locktight on the threads. These screws also have locknuts.


7. Tighten the locknuts using a 10mm open end wrench.


8. Pre-adjust the axle position so that it will center the axle according to the swing arm marks that you observed in step 1. Turn the OEM adjuster screw head so that it butts against the front of the slider. Tighten the OEM adjuster screw locknut against the washers. Do this the same on both left and right chain adjusters.

The average chain, when new will be close to properly spaced with the OEM adjuster nut and locknut both drawn up tight to the 3 washers. If this is too tight, one washer should eliminated or ground thinner. The adjuster screw head could also be ground thinner.

9. Lube the axle with High temp grease and install it through the kts adjusters with the wheel and drive chain in place. Install the OEM axle, washer and locknut. Insert the cotter pin (See Wheel Removal, steps 39 through 43))

Weights


Cool mod but results in a weight gain of 6.9 oz (not including how ever many washers are used to shim the forward adjuster bolt).


The chain adjusters weigh 9.80 oz, minus the two button head screws, 0.65 oz and the adjuster blocks 2.9 oz for a net weight gain of 6.25 oz.

Pics of installed chain adjusters.


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RE: Gille's Tooling kts chain adjusters and safety mod
12/27/12 6:57 AM

Great Job. Rook you have missed your calling.

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RE: Gille's Tooling kts chain adjusters and safety mod
12/27/12 8:47 AM

Yup...another factory how-to!Excellent.Good job Rook;)

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RE: Gille's Tooling kts chain adjusters and safety mod
12/27/12 8:34 PM

Thank you, you two fine gentlemen.

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RE: Gille's Tooling kts chain adjusters and safety mod
12/29/12 1:31 AM

That's good work Rook.

So, is it a failure of the clamping action of the axle that's allowing these slack adjusters to get pulled apart? Seems to me it would always be the adjuster on the sprocket side that would get ripped.

In a perfect world you would expect the clamping force of the axle to relieve the adjusters of any commitment other than chain slack maintenance.



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RE: Gille's Tooling kts chain adjusters and safety mod
12/30/12 4:15 AM

So, is it a failure of the clamping action of the axle that's allowing these slack adjusters to get pulled apart?
It would seem so, at least in part. That was a matter of discussion on the thread posted near the top of the tutorial. Some felt it was primarily the job of the axle nut and proper torque to brace the axle against the pull of the driveline. Others, (like moi) felt the axle adjuster was responsible for holding the wheel in place. I guess it is both adjusters and axle nut torque. Why bother to torque the axle if it does not need to be held fast?

I am installing Carrozzeria rims now. Rear axle torque is only 60' lbs. I wouldn't run these adjusters without having them modded.

Seems to me it would always be the adjuster on the sprocket side that would get ripped.
Good point. I can't say for certain. That may have been the case. The photo of the black adjuster above has sprocket side busted. I think the turbo busa I saw also was on the sprocket side too.


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RE: Gille's Tooling kts chain adjusters and safety mod
12/30/12 12:06 PM

Either way, your work around was inspired.



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RE: Gille's Tooling kts chain adjusters and safety mod
12/30/12 3:32 PM

Another great post but I'm stumped as to why someone as smart as you would spend $300 on these parts of known quesionable quality? I like bling as much as the next guy but not with a safety trade off.



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RE: Gille's Tooling kts chain adjusters and safety mod
12/30/12 9:28 PM

I'm stumped as to why someone as smart as you would spend $300 on these parts of known quesionable quality?

Thanks. I have a bit of a penchant for risk...but only where i feel the odds are much in my favor. There is always the unknown. In this case, I think I lowered the risk enough that i am as safe as I'd be with the OEM adjuster setup. I didn't go right out and ride the heck out of the bike as soon as I had the chain adjusters on either. I worked up to doing power wheelies and WOT and kept an eye on the adjusters every chance I got. Also got firsthand advice from Dogo. He is really the one that pointed out to me the weakness in this part. He solves it by keeping the adjusters all the way forward so that they brace against the front of the guidance rather than hang on the slider. When he needs to tighten his chain, he goes 1 tooth up on his sprocket and leaves the adjuster all the way forward.


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RE: Gille's Tooling kts chain adjusters and safety mod
06/18/13 9:17 PM

I've installed a new wheel with a new rear sprocket. The chain was too tight set up with three washers on the adjuster bolt. I tried two washers and that was too loose. The washer's main purpose is to shim the locknut away from the tapered front of the chain adjuster. Without at least 2 washers in there, it would not be possible to get a wrench on the jam nut. Three washers is even better. If the jam nut, adjuster bolt head and washers are all expected to touch, removing or adding a whole washer makes a huge change in the chain tension. Proper chain tension adjustment becomes impossible.

I removed one washer and simply moved the adjuster bolt to where it needed to be. Then tightened the jam nut. As the sprocket wears, I will adjust the wheel back a bit more and perhaps even put the third washer in again when there is enough space for it. The Gilles chain adjuster safety mod works fine without all the parts butted together, however.



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RE: Gille's Tooling kts chain adjusters and safety mod
06/28/14 10:50 PM

Hi Rook. I know that this thread is a few years old but I have just encounter a problem with these same chain adjusters that I hope you can help me out with. I removed them from my 2008 zx14 ( purchased a few years ago from Dogo) and tried to fit them to my new 2013 zx14R. Unfortunately they don't seem to fit and I was wondering if you know whether there is a difference in the adjuster recesses between the two generation models ? I would appreciate your comments.



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RE: Gille's Tooling kts chain adjusters and safety mod
07/06/14 9:21 PM

I believe the 14r has a different swingarm than the Gen1 so that may be the reason the adjusters don't seem to fit right. If the recess for the adjusters is too deep or to high, you may want to consider fabbing up some aluminum shims to fill the gaps. If you need to ben aluminum 90 degrees, you should make it a double axis bend or it will be pretty brittle. Sounds like it could be some real delicate work. Would the axle still fit right? You may need to try a Gen1 axle if you make such shims. Given the the problem associated with the kts adjusters by Gilles, obviously you want to be very careful about modding them in a way that might make them more risky.


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RE: Gille's Tooling kts chain adjusters and safety mod
09/06/17 12:42 AM

Hi Rook, I have a 2014 14r I'm looking for a nice set of chain adjusters. Of course without any luck. I am a total gear head and do all my own work and so on. I was curious do you or anyone know if there is another bike that uses the same adjusters as the 14r? Like a zx-10r perhaps. I'm just tired of the junk blocks and bolts that come factory. I know Gillies makes a new stile adjuster with a worm gear adjustment. Looks plenty stout. But... they don't list the zx14r as an application. If anyone has any information it would be much appreciated!

Thank you!

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RE: Gille's Tooling kts chain adjusters and safety mod
09/06/17 6:11 PM

I would almost bet the 14r has the exact same adjuster blocks as the 06-11. If so, buy an aftermarket set of ZX-14 adjusters. Check the adjuster blocks part numbers on BikeBandit between the 14 and the 14r. If they are the same, I can't see why aftermarket adjusters would be any different. I know you have an anti-lock brake mechanism but if that is all inside the swingarm, it would have no effect on fitment of axle adjusters.

LOL I see 58cycle still sells the old style of Gille's for the 14. If you want blue, I'll sell you mine and buy the goldies! $90 blue adjusters. Used ONLY with the safety mod and never stressed. I would suggest the new style but the safety mod should be safe as OEM... PITA to adjust with safety mod though ---just to be honest. Hard to get a wrench in there to turn the front adjuster bolt unless you grind a wrench down so it reaches in better.

I see the problem. Looks like there are NO axle adjusters for the ZX-14 of any year except the old Gilles. Well, I got a blue set for sale. $90, if interested.



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RE: Gille's Tooling kts chain adjusters and safety mod
09/06/17 10:27 PM

Rook, thank you for the info... I may buy your blue adjusters from you in the future. But I just found something today.
PSR had a listing for adjusters for the 07 zx-14 I ordered them and got a phone call back. They said they were discontinued... BUT!! In the next month or so there coming out with a different one. There calling it a GP chain adjuster. I am on there list to let me know when they will be available.
On a side note, my 2014 ZX-14r does not have ABS. In those years it was an option.
And regarding your gillies adjusters. I'm going to talk to my Machinists about them, to see how much he would charger me to make the center adjusters out of a solid pice of aluminum. If it is doable/worth it I will buy them from you. And fix them once and for all.
And you were correct, no one has anything that I can find. I wish Gillies would make there worse gear adjusters for the 14 and 14r I love that idea.
The axle blocks for a 2011 and 2014 are the exact same part # on kawasakipartshous.com

www.psr-usa.com


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RE: Gille's Tooling kts chain adjusters and safety mod
09/07/17 3:36 PM

The axle blocks for a 2011 and 2014 are the exact same part # on kawasakipartshous.com

That covers the axle diameter and the swingarm adjuster block slot. Everything else that would need to fit is adjustable. The only other part that would have to fit anything and never move is the claw that goes over the back of the swing arm and I'm pretty sure that doesn't touch the swing arm except to the inside of the swing arm arms. It depends on the bolts to adjust to the proper thickness even on my Gen1 which it was designed to fit. In other words, if the Gen2 swingarm is a little thicker where the axle slides through the swing arm, it wouldn't matter.

I know the pics are out on this tutorial right now but you can see the safety mod in the pic above. Basically it works the same as the OEM adjuster screws so you have that as backup for the Gilles adjuster screw. The axle can't pull forward and snap the Gilles guidance with the OEM adjuster bolts in there. I think I would go with that even if I had solid copies of the guidance machined. These have snapped on busas and 14s as well as 600s even. which is why they stopped making them. No idea if the updated Gille's adjusters for the ZX-10 fit the 14.


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RE: Gille's Tooling kts chain adjusters and safety mod
02/22/18 5:35 PM

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