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Thread: Fast, inexpensive saddlebags solution

Created on: 05/02/19 09:38 PM

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doubleD


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RE: Fast, inexpensive saddlebags solution
05/06/19 2:58 PM

I just checked eBay and found 2 different styles from Sw-Motech for your Bike. The new EVO quick-lock system is an used system in Colorado. I would ask a question about getting the mounting plates because I do not see them in the photos or description.
https://www.ebay.com/itm/SW-MOTECH-Quick-Lock-EVO-Contour-Sidecarrier-For-Kawasaki-ZX14-ZZR1400-06-11/264276868936?epid=0&hash=item3d8820ff48:g:MdsAAOSw3SpcrWVI

The other system is for flat side cases and probably work great for Soft luggage. It appears to have everything.
https://www.ebay.com/itm/2006-2011-SW-Motech-Kawasaki-ZX14R-Ninja-Quick-Lock-EVO-Sidecarriers/192875958021?epid=12028345000&hash=item2ce84d8f05:g:n~gAAOSwObhcoLQi

Remember they list 2006-11 ZX1400, but they also fit 12+ years, too.

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JimGnitecki



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RE: Fast, inexpensive saddlebags solution
05/06/19 3:12 PM

I just looked at that 2nd complete set. The seller wants $256.50US + $17.50US shipping = $274US x 1.36 current currency exchange rate = $373 Canadian + import & duty charges + 12% sales tax, so that'd be mid $400s for me to buy.

That's also almost as much as a relatively bad looking but ready-to-use, SELF-supporting SW-Motech combination tailbag and sidebag combo:

https://sw-motech.com/en/bike/KAWASAKI/ZX14/2017/USA+model/products/luggage/tail+bags/4052572042564.htm

That's enough money to motivate me to at least try my angle aluminum extrusion first. :)

Jim G

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doubleD


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RE: Fast, inexpensive saddlebags solution
05/06/19 9:01 PM

Jim, the set is FREE ship to Washington. Don't you know anyone in Seattle? Maybe have it shipped to a Kawasaki Dealer in Seattle. Take a trip and install it. Throw you bags back on and ride home.
I cannot help the exchange rate problem.

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RE: Fast, inexpensive saddlebags solution
05/07/19 7:51 AM

doubleD: I am on Vancouver Island as well as being in Canada. A trip to Seattle involves:
- About $100 in return ferry trips for me and the bike
- A border crossing both ways
- A total time of at LEAST 10 hours travel time BEYOND the time spent at the bag pickup point for installation of the bags and any delays at the border due to lineups
- Cost of meals and fuel both ways

The costs overwhelm any savings in a U.S. pickup. :(

One of the prices I pay for the gorgeous and relatively car-free motorcycling roads here on The Island is relative "isolation". The Island is pretty large, about 300 miles long and 60 to 75 miles wide, but is home to only 750,000 people. I can count the number of franchised motorcycle dealerships on one hand, and there are zero dynos. There are 3 real furniture stores and they are all owned by the same man. There are NO bridges to The Mainland (The water channels are too wide, too deep, and too rough). The Government runs a huge fleet of large ferry boats the size of small cruise ships to facilitate people being able to get off and back on The Island, but the typical 1-way ferry crossing is 2 hours and costs $50 for a motorcycle and rider.

The sole "plus" for we motorcyclists is that cars, trucks, and RVs must line up, typically waiting for minimum 3/4 hour up to several hours on busy days, but all motorcycles can show up as late as about 20 minutes before sailing time, are guaranteed to get on the very next sailing (sailings are typically 2 to 3 hours apart), and get placed at the very front of the ferry boat for immediate disembarking once we get to the other side. Despite the first class treatment of motorcycles, the minimum time needed for travel to and from City of Vancouver on The Mainland (let alone Seattle which is 90 minutes further) is 3.5 hours EACH way! So, anytime we want to ride mainland roads for more than a couple of hours, it's an overnight trip!

p.s. just to amaze you a bit:

Each of the larger ferry boats can carry as many as 450 cars, about 150 high-height trucks, RVs, Buses, and thousands of passengers on EACH crossing. But because the loading / unloading process is very efficiently and strictly managed, each ENTIRE loading process is 100% completed within 15 minutes, and each UNloading process is completed within TEN minutes!

Each ferry boat has one or more restaurants and coffee shops, enough deeply upholstered chairs to seat EVERYONE (and everyone gets a view), playrooms for the kids, video game parlours, cubicles with 120 volt receptacles for computer work, a clothing/magazine/ gift shop, and marine toilets that make airplane toilets look like a nightmare in comparison. If only air travel was this good . . .

Jim G


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RE: Fast, inexpensive saddlebags solution
05/07/19 7:55 AM

I did a lot of fitting and measuring last evening, and developed a design and a fabrication drawing that I will take to Metal Superstore in the next day or 2 for the guys there to make a pair of mounts that mount to the now unused OEM muffler mount bolts. If the design works, I'll post a complete description and photos.

Jim G

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RE: Fast, inexpensive saddlebags solution
05/07/19 9:52 AM

Time to spread your wings and travel. Get your Green Card and come south. Thousands of miles of open space in western US. Put some real miles on your Ninja.
Use "Tent Space" from advrider.com to find free lodging and help. I read one thread that a Guy rode for 3 months and stayed with people for free and they feed him, too. I used it for traveling and got free food and lodging and trip advice.

https://www.google.com/maps/d/viewer?mid=1Q0E6b5HrOVBOhOY2IwJkErfWqQU&ll=45.91900857313849%2C-105.60700665451202&z=4
The first time you hit 180mph on the an empty Interstate you will not go home.
Empty curvy roads here in Arkansas. Only see Harleys/Cruisers down here. Out west-Nevada (highway 6) your Governor is your speed control.
I would probably still be in Kansas if I did not get drafted for Military Service in 1970. Traveled to Missouri and Virginia (bought my first Bike-1971 there) for training, then to Vietnam and Germany and back to Kentucky opened my Eyes to motorcycle adventure.
Enjoy your summer and make some Ride Reports for me.

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JimGnitecki



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RE: Fast, inexpensive saddlebags solution
05/07/19 1:45 PM

doubleD, just to clarify a bit, I am a dual citizen (Canadian and U.S., born in Canada, spent first 27 years in Canada, then lived and worked in the U.S. for 37 years, living in Minnesota, Iowa, Wyoming, Florida, and Texas for varying periods of time. I have owned almost 50 motorcycles since age 17, and have made numerous cross-country trips!

On my biggest trip in 1981, my wife and I went all the way around the perimeter of The U.S, covering 9300 miles in 3-1/2 weeks, on that year's "superbike" (Suzuki 1100), with only 15 lb of luggage total! We went from Minneapolis to Seattle, to San Francisco, The Grand Canyon, Houston, New Orleans, New York City, Boston, and back to Minneapolis. :)

Jim G

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RE: Fast, inexpensive saddlebags solution
05/07/19 1:45 PM

doubleD, just to clarify a bit, I am a dual citizen (Canadian and U.S., born in Canada, spent first 27 years in Canada, then lived and worked in the U.S. for 37 years, living in Minnesota, Iowa, Wyoming, Florida, and Texas for varying periods of time. I have owned almost 50 motorcycles since age 17, and have made numerous cross-country trips!

On my biggest trip in 1981, my wife and I went all the way around the perimeter of The U.S, covering 9300 miles in 3-1/2 weeks, on that year's "superbike" (Suzuki 1100), with only 15 lb of luggage total! We went from Minneapolis to Seattle, to San Francisco, The Grand Canyon, Houston, New Orleans, New York City, Boston, and back to Minneapolis. :)

Jim G

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RE: Fast, inexpensive saddlebags solution
05/07/19 3:25 PM

How about some soft bags instead?Excellently stylish and perfectly safe fitting on the bodywork. I have this particular model.Easy to install...holds all kinds of stuff...PLENTY of room for just about anything without the hard bag look.No extra fitment parts needed.They're great.And they look awesome on there.They REALLY expand to hold stuff.A week's worth of clothes and whatever no problem.


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JimGnitecki



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RE: Fast, inexpensive saddlebags solution
05/07/19 3:54 PM

Grn14: Don't the softbags you show in the photo exert downward force on the plastic side panels?? Only the CENTER ("tail") bag sits on the seat. The two outboard bags MUST put weight onto the plastic panels. Has this been working for you without any panels, or their tabs, cracking? If so, with what total weight of load in the 3-bag combo (including the bags themselves)?

This morning, I took my design sketch, and cardboard 3D models of both LH and mirrored RH supports, of my proposed bag supports for my existing softbags to Metal Supermarket. "Mike" there said to give him no more than an hour and then come back to pick up the finished parts. He called 30 minutes later and said they were done and I could come get them! He charged me $23.40 total (aluminum material plus his labour).

I test fitted the parts to the now-unused OEM muffler supports on my ZX, and they fit PERFECTLY. The hole locations were done perfectly by Mike. This evening when my wife is out, i'll see if I can adjust the velcro support straps between the bags to the correct length to allow the bags to sit on the new supports.

If the experiment is successful, I'll post photos and details.

Jim G

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JimGnitecki



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RE: Fast, inexpensive saddlebags solution
05/08/19 8:43 AM

Partially successful, but not good enough.

The 1/8" thick aluminum extrusions brackets that I had Metal Superstore make for me ($23.40 Canadian) look fine and are VERY rigid:


They also fit the OEM muffler mount bolts just fine:



They do effectively vertically support the saddlebags and also keep them from sagging towards the wheel:



And they don't look too awful when the bags are off the bike, so could stay on if I stayed a few days at a travel destination and rode daily without the bags:



However, as you can see in this next photo, while they do dramatically reduce the weight on the rear plastic body panels, there is still some weight, and appreciable contact, on the plastic panels:



So, needs more work . . .

Jim G

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RE: Fast, inexpensive saddlebags solution
05/08/19 10:15 AM

good job on those.A bit longish,but otherwise,possibly a bit more support underneath,to bring em up horizontal?

I never noticed any real downforce on those panels.Maybe there is?IDK.Probably not much though.When they're secured on there,they don't move around,like over bumps or anything.Like the bags are part of the tail pieces.


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JimGnitecki



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RE: Fast, inexpensive saddlebags solution
05/08/19 11:08 AM

I made them longer so that if I load the bags up so they are heavier, the bottoms of the soft bags can "settle" more onto the supports, spreading the weight over a larger percentage of the supports. Since the bags are mounted via VELCRO straps under the seat, the velcro can be adjusted so that the tension is correct no matter how lightly or how heavily the bags are loaded on each trip.

I also wonder if the aluminum supports would be less obvious when the bags are off the bike if I had them powdercoated Satin Black.

Jim G

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RE: Fast, inexpensive saddlebags solution
05/13/19 4:33 AM

I have a set of SW-Motech QD mounts for ZX-14 I would consider selling separately from the V35s, if you would want to use them for soft bag standoffs.

Like these:


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JimGnitecki



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RE: Fast, inexpensive saddlebags solution
05/13/19 1:43 PM

Danno, I'm pretty sure that those mounts in your photo use the "cone shape" headed bolt that faces rearward to support the upper left and upper right mount points. That cone shape heade bolt location is used by my Kawasaki center stand's handle. :(

So far, the cleanest solution I have seen is the SW-Motech Blaze system that mounts sleeve-equipped bags onto "rods" that attach/detach quickly to the footpeg exhaust bolt locations. The bags hang via strap over or under the seat, but the rod on each side take the weight of the bags, leaving only a non-loaded "contact" area where the straps pass over the plastic body parts. Clear tape/film should be installed there to protect the paint.

THis system was shown on page 1 of this thread by Maddevill, and he verified via PM that it works well and he did install a 3M film. That system costs about $525 plus 12% sales tax in Canada though. It might end up being the way I need to go.

Jim G


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RE: Fast, inexpensive saddlebags solution
05/13/19 8:56 PM

Very nice. I just bought a set of Dowco Fastrax bags - #50145. Very similar.

Not sure what mounts to use yet, have some generics. Bags are easy to move from bike to bike.



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JimGnitecki



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RE: Fast, inexpensive saddlebags solution
06/21/19 12:51 PM

The right combination of price and actual "in stock, in Canada" status finally appeared, and I got a set of the SW Motech saddlebags. After install, they are looking pretty good to me.

These are VERY high quality bags. They look good, look "compact" while actually delivering good carrying capacity, are made well, look great on the ZX-14R, come with REMOVABLE INNER waterproof sealable bags, and mount via a deceptively simple yet elegant mounting system that leaves only 1 very small (about 1" x 1" x 3")mounting block on each side of the bike when they are removed. (see photo below)

The bags come off the bike easily, even if you use the "tether straps" provided for optional use. And, the metal rods that keep the bags away from the rear wheel, and from most of the ZX-14R "widebody" tail, can either be left in place or quickly detached when stopping for the night.

A generous supply of protective clear film is provided, from which you can cut to provide clear coverage for the paint in the portions of the tail that are in contact with the saddlebag crossover strap. (It is impossible with the very wide tail bodywork of the ZX-14R to totally avoid bodywork contact with saddlebag systems unless you go with a system that leaves a LOT more exposed ugly framing in place when the bags are removed.)

Built-in expansion zippers bumps storage capacity from 14 liters (854 cubic inches) to 21 liters (1282 cubic inches) per saddlebag, so either 1708 cubic inches or 2563 cubic inches in total with the 2 bags.

My total luggage even for a transcontinental trip is only 1350 cubic inches, and my total luggage for a CAMPING transcontinental trip is 3150 cubic inches, so the 2 bags alone will get the job done without my Nelson Rigg tank/tail bag, and with the tank/tail bag added, I am good to go even tent camping.

The bags LOOK astonishingly small on the ZX-14R, because the bike itself is so BIG! Another surprise is how NARROW the setup is. With the bags in the UNexpanded size, the entire setup is 29 inches wide. That is 1 inch NARROWER than my OEM ZX-14R handlebar setup at the front, so there is absolutely no loss of ability to go through tight spaces. With the bags in the expanded size, the setup becomes 34 inches wide, which is still only 4 inches wider than the handlebars. For a transcontinental-capable setup, this is pretty good!

Mind you, that 34 inch width WILL affect the bike's handling, because of its width and height. That's unavoidable, but still much lower in handling impacts than any seat or rack mounted rear case or pack, because nothing is as bad as weight placed HIGH.

Clearance from the exhaust mufflers is nowhere less than one inch, and my mufflers are Delkevic Carbon Fiber so they never get hot anyway (You can hold your hands on them right after a high speed ride).

Despite the bags coming with waterproof sealable internal bags inside them, I also sprayed them both generously with 3M waterproofing spray, in an effort to keep them from getting "heavier" when wet!

I haven't run them on a trip-trial or actual trip yet, but so far I am pretty impressed.

They are not cheap, but if you are patient like I am, you can ultimately find the right combination of great price and in-stock availability. I bought form an aggressive new accessory house here in Canada, and got them for a price the same as in The U.S., but in Canadian dollars versus U.S. dollars, so saved 1/4.

Jim G



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Logan


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RE: Fast, inexpensive saddlebags solution
03/03/22 10:59 AM

@jim from where I can get that frame (eliminator fender) that you have mentioned above? I have been using these saddlebags https://www.vikingbags.com/axe-sports-bikes-motorcycle-saddlebags.htm for my ninja 2010 250R. Want to frame that as like you have used it.



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JimGnitecki



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RE: Fast, inexpensive saddlebags solution
03/03/22 2:33 PM

Sorry, I sold my ZX-14R quite a while ago and because my computer drive was getting too full, I purged all my non-current files. :(

Jim G

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