Just an update..
completed installing my water meth system and will ride tonight. decided to add water bottles to hold the meth and united them with a tee connection. Guess i didn't need SS lines, but they work with everything else on the bike. Installed a boost switch to spray at 3 psi for now. I will need to make adjustments to fueling later. A light indicator for methanol is on the dash.

* Last updated by: knovikov on 6/9/2015 @ 7:05 PM *

Toatal sickness! This should have been in the latest Road Warrior film!

Thanks Rook,
Forgot to add, that finned pipe on RH side is an oil cooler which I added after OEM was removed during turbo istall. Looking at it, the bike is full of pipes and pumps does look like Road Warrior. Tried for functionality and now I am done...maybe? Hard to stop from trying to improve on the bike...there is always something else. Hopefully I can enjoy the bike for now.

There is so much engine stuff showing, I was not sure if that finned reservoir was there before now. It did catch my eye though.

Still need to figure out when to spray, where to spray, and how much to spray - think I need to pray..I mean spray.

Just a thouhgt: Optimum is probably the largest shot of h2o /meth without expelling liquid water in the exhaust. You would need to dyno it to achieve that...unless there is some kind of sensor to detect non evaporated water. It seems like getting water in the oil would also be a problem to contend with until you got it right. Just some ideas, perfect tuning for water/meth might be even more complex than that.

Was thinking about OEM swingarm as a holding tank for the water/meth mix. Dont know if this was how you set up your system Romans. Could not find a cross-section of the swingarm anywhere, but there are 2 big holes and a few smaller holes for brackets. The volume of the swingarm should hold quite a bit of fluid. Since swingarm is AL dont think there will be an adverse effect with a 50/50 water meth mix. In the picture you can see a big hole, with another just like it on the opposite side.
Please let me know your thoughts.

Yes Romans do tell. Nova, I think the larger bolt holes you are talking about are the swing arm spools bungs and the smaller ones are for the chain guard and rear brake line bracket. You could attach a water reservoir there. Be careful that it can't get crunched by the swingarm, of course. Romans has a good thread with pics of his internal water/meth reservoir.

http://zx14ninjaforum.com/messages.cfm?threadid=39206850-9EFA-1D62-A82B5A7B92A1834F&page=1

Are you considering using the whole freagin swingarm as a reservoir?? could work. Be awful heavy and slosh around when full but I guess so is the gas tank and that is up high on the bike. LOL I'd love to see the look on the clerk's face when you pulled up to the garden hose at the gas station!!

* Last updated by: Rook on 6/10/2015 @ 7:51 AM *

Yes Rook,
I have decided against using the swingarm as a water meth reservoir. Those two 16 fl.oz water bottles below the tail hold enough for my needs, plus with the silver color they bring balance to the rest of the bike.

As far as spraying, the nozzle installed is a 1 GPH, which is one of the smallest available. I have tested it with my high pressure fuel pump and it works just fine. Incidentally, that pump is seen in the pic beside the shifter. The 250 psi pumps sold with the kits are huge and weigh significantly more. Think they are designed to support multiple spray nozzles. Some DIY kits recommend 60psi pumps, mine is 100psi so think its safe.

The optimal AFR during spray?? A sales guy for various water/meth kits had a lengthy conversation with me. Very helpful in answering my questions and advised to keep AFR at about 12.5 during spray. Hope someone can give input on this as well and all help is greatly appreciated.

The optimal AFR during spray?? A sales guy for various water/meth kits had a lengthy conversation with me. Very helpful in answering my questions and advised to keep AFR at about 12.5 during spray. Hope someone can give input on this as well and all help is greatly appreciated.

Romans will be along soon.

At this point my AFR's are decent. The thing I notice is that AFR's drop way down upon WOT, but return to around 11.5 to 12 if kept open. Things happen very fast and I have to keep an eye on the road. Had a scare not long ago when I stared at the gauges too long and wound up going off road. Scared the crap out of myself.

The testing is a dangerous part, because you want to check if everything is working properly so I, at least, can get careless. Have to thank...hmm...my bike for keeping me safe.

First impressions on water meth are positive. Once the system starts to spray around 3 psi, you definitely feel more thrust. Began having serious thoughts of surviving and keeping safe while riding this monster.

I showed my bike to a few people and we talked. Hard to explain to someone who doesnt know motorcycles what its like to ride it. A bit embarassed to admit it, but use the bike daily to get groceries 1 mile away. Tie the bags together and hang them off on the sides like giant elephant testes.

you need some saddle bags but you need a GoPro even worse. You could film the AFR gauge but it may be hard to view it until you get the film on a bigger screen. I think the GoPro will focus very close though....you might be able to film from an inch away from the gauge and then use the GoPro LCD backpack to watch right after the run.

Rook,
I will hold off on sadle bags for now..lol The gopro is a good idea. My AFR gauge is at the very top so it is easy to see. To answer your previous question about size of spray nozzle.. Found it on "Devils Own Water/Meth" site. I believe it is calculated using engine displacement and boost level.

Its kinda cool hearing the whistle of turbo amid a deep exhaust note, and then spraying changes the sound yet again..it is an orchestra to a gear head. Looks like its time to ride again..my favorite time before sunset.

The way you describe the sound is very cool. Yeah, just before sunset is the most beautiful time to ride. I don't have as much of an urge to go fast then because it is so nice to sit up and look out in the flat farm country. Think I'll go for a ride too.

Just checked my GoPro Hero. It will focus from almost 0" . No problem to frame in on something 3 x 2 inches. If you want to frame in on something .75 inch, you can do it and it is just slightly out of focus but the cam is almost touching. This is with the least wide angle format selected. All the formats are wide angle but the most normal one is not too much. You will always get some wide angle distortion but not a problem for filming a gage, I'm sure. Get the LCD backpack and you will be able to replay as soon as you finish a run. You will have to figure up some kind of set up so you can get the cam close to the gage..or vice-versa.

Thanks for that Rook. I think for the time being, will put off gopro and wrenching for that matter. Have other things that are more pressing. Did manage to fry my fuel pump (used for water meth) due to my own negligence. So had to mount this behemoth instead. It is rated at 250 psi and weighs...my guess about 10 lbs. Overkill for my needs, and a bit large, but here is how I've mounted it.
Had some aluminum from an old cot bed and cut a round section to seal the gap b/w the fender and headlight housing.

Now have to get her new weight..My guess about 470lbs.
Still cant find if high pressure fuel pumps are compatible with water/meth. There are some available for around $30 on ebay. With the bigger pump I have installed, the spray pattern seems to shoot out more. IDK That would mean it would hit the other side of the turbo pipe and form into droplets which kinda defeats the purpose. I do know that after draining my overflow tank reservoir, there was a considerable amount of water meth that poured out. Maybe the solution is a smaller nozzle ( 0.5 GPH) and turning down the pressure on the pump.

* Last updated by: knovikov on 6/12/2015 @ 6:35 PM *

You have something new almost every day.

After some more digging, have found that fuel pumps are not good for water/alky due to corrosion. So I will keep the big pump on the bike. Still have water in my air box after spraying which is due in part to residual runoff after pump stops and the droplets pushed into airbox by turbo. Have ordered a 0.75 GPH nozzle so will see how that works. I will more than likely install the solenoid after the pump to mitigate any fluid seeping out.

Seems to me if the turbo pressurizes the air box so that would tend to keep the water out if anything, right? The water may just be steam getting pushed up by the pistons. The intake valves are closed any time the engine is making back pressure (exhaust, compression strokes) but still, oil can get shot up to the airbox. I would think water would do so much easier since it vaporizes a lot more readily. You might have steam or at the very least, humidity floating around the engine all the time, pump on or off. If it's in the oil pan, it's going to evaporate and be steaming the whole time the engine runs. Just some thoughts.

Ha-ha "just some thoughts," indeed! I'm the dumbest person to be talking about turbos. We should get Romans in on this. You might try a PM. I have the feeling he's pretty busy right now and may not be watching the forum real closely.

Yes, Rook the airbox is pressurized, and there is a blow off pipe on the other side of the airbox. You can see it sticking out like a horn on my bike. So when the airbox is pressurized and then grab clutch and release throttle, creates a pressure difference at the throttle bodies and airbox. The pressurized air in airbox pushes against the spring of the blow off valve, and dumps the pressure.

The way I ride, as soon as boost spools up to around 6 lbs, I am ready to grab the clutch and start slowing down. Just too dangerous where I live. So that may be part of the problem. The engine is barely fed any alky/water mix before it gets expelled and the non atomized droplets get pushed into the airbox. Today, kept it open longer in lower gears, and when got back home, there was just a smidge of liquid dripped out of the airbox.

IDK. Maybe the water/meth is a bit of an overkill for my needs. I would like to go somewhere and let her unwind...but where? My last speeding ticket was in 1992 - no joke. The way I've been riding lately, pushing my luck.

On the other side, she cruises so nicely at the speed limit that there is no need get crazy. Just knowing what shes got is satisfying in itself, but that takes maturity often associated with old age.
Old age - checkmark! Maturity - in doubt.

haha, yeah don't get stopped for over a hundred. That really kills the fun.

It would be nice to be able to take advantage of the cooling and cleaning even if you don't need the power most of the time. Hope you get it sorted. The water /meth system is too cool to not keep. What would be the problem in shutting it off most of the time? You can hold a map for turbo only and one for meth/water + turbo.

Maybe a radar detector is a bigger priority than Gopro for me since I ride at least 3 times per day. The author Conan Doyle, of Sherlock Holmes, would swim in Jamaica daily to take a break from writing - guess riding is my way. The wind sometimes feels like water to me.

You're right, I wont get rid of water/meth. The system engages at over 4 lbs of boost, so if ridden conservatively, it stays dormant. With the smaller nozzle on order and pressure of misting motor turned down, I will find a balance.

As a side note, found a white 2013 zx14, that sustained frontal damage in a crash that has me salivating. Dont know if forks where bent, or other possible damage, but got me thinking of a new project.

Man, you're into it. Well, go for it! Forks are easy to replace. You can pick up some used Ohlins' for a couple thousand if you keep watch on Ebay. If that bike already has an Ohlins rear, you might get just the forks for $11-1200.

* Last updated by: Rook on 6/14/2015 @ 9:37 AM *

Romans. Have a look at the pic to see if this is what you meant?

This is incorrect. The check is not to go inline. Make sense ?

Still need to figure out when to spray, where to spray, and how much to spray - think I need to pray..I mean spray

My OCD way.

With 8psi try running roughly 441 cc per minute.

My way for Measuring Exactly. Pump starts at 2 psi, full spray at 8psi

Methanol Tank in swing Arm

Exact pressure Measurments

Meth Tank nicely Hidden

The optimal AFR during spray?? A sales guy for various water/meth kits had a lengthy conversation with me. Very helpful in answering my questions and advised to keep AFR at about 12.5 during spray. Hope someone can give input on this as well and all help is greatly appreciated.

This is a big subject. Coles notes you need to know your Gas Total AFR First. Then look for no more than a full point drop one you introduce water/Meth injection.

IDK. Maybe the water/meth is a bit of an overkill for my needs

Octane effect of race fuel 116 for the cost of one Dollar Fifty always a good call. Turbos go Boom on bad gas. Cheap insurance. Plus will let you raise the boost. Also help with that 32.5 degree advance that comes factory in that ECU.

* Last updated by: Romans on 6/15/2015 @ 12:15 PM *

Hey Romans,

Thanks for reply, I know you are busy, but can you clarify the check valve/map sensor please using a pic or drawing. I would like to get this correct.

Today, feeling confident in my water meth setup, turned up the boost to 10 psi. At this setting, dont have time to glance down except to look at the boost gauge. Stepped up to a higher level of insanity. I could go on about the experience, but left speechless. Glad I'm still in one piece after all the pulls. Have to think about safety and any possible malfunctions.

Rook, here is a pic of the bike I have my eye on - 2013. Can check it out tomorrow to see the extent of the damage. Worse case scenario is that the frame sustained damage. From the pics, my assumption is that the rider slammed into a car. The front fairing is cracked, but not too bad. The LH side has a bit of damage, but can be buffed out. Leads me to believe the impact was at slow speed. However, the forks may be damaged and possibly the frame.

Do I need this project? I'm like an old unmarried lady who rescues cats, except with me its zx14's. With only 3400 miles on her, I wont be needing to do a valve inspect in quite some time. Also, got an extra water/meth kit in the mail today - somebody screwed up b/c I already received mine. With all the spare parts laying around I'm pretty sure what I would do to her. The turbo bug bit and now I'm all screwed up - lol.

* Last updated by: knovikov on 6/15/2015 @ 6:51 PM *

Leads me to believe the impact was at slow speed. However, the forks may be damaged and possibly the frame.

Also, got an extra water/meth kit in the mail today - somebody screwed up b/c I already received mine.

Rook,
Just got off the phone with the auction house to find out fees involved in bidding and purchasing vehicle. Lets say I win the bike for $3000. It would cost me an additional $1200, after taxes and fees - ouch.

Welllllll--then you must have wanted it bad enough. Throw in a couple thousand more in parts, you still have a very new bike for under 7000 $. ...maybe a new front rim?? Better get to painting my friend!