Apparently Kawi outbid ya.

Nope....the site is gone. It was put up by a website building biz as a sample......I contacted them back in 07.

I still think it was me running my mouth about the @#^%$%$@ leathers I bought from one of their sponsors. That shut the whole thing down for us.

Some of you guys think you're all badass because you got banned from a couple sites. SHEEEEEEEEE-iT--I shut one down.

* Last updated by: Rook on 12/14/2010 @ 5:42 PM *

Some of you guys think you're all badass because you got banned from a couple sites. SHEEEEEEEEE-iT--I shut one down.

I contacted them back in 07.

Well apparently Kawi was buyin' up websites to "control the media" right around the time zx14ninja.com disappeared. We'll probaly never know the real reason why it went away, but at this point who really cares. There was some good info on the old forum that got lost (thanks Rook! ), but this forum is just as good if not better.

Think the old site was vBulletin.....I liked it better in an operational sense.

Some of you guys think you're all badass because you got banned from a couple sites. SHEEEEEEEEE-iT--I shut one down.

Shit, I had one guy ask if they wanted to buy his website he stepped in my world. How close did I get?

And for the other 42 that didn't see it coming >>> Lets see, where is that enter key, they had their say, now I say...

The cylinder walls sealing? That's it? Piston design is never ending. Ring sealing from cast iron to nickel-seal. They use nickle plating? I have no clue. I'm not a metallurgist knowing all that engineering apply. So-watt did not apply? Some bonding glitch on a few cylinder walls and did they catch it like the tip over switch?

Honda still blowing oil out a wall of worry? Bulletproof is in the pudding all in a package green jello...

GrEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEENNN Giant!

Hub wrote :

"Please check the part numbers and specs on the ECUs of 2008, 2009, and 2010 ECU units for US ZX14 motorcycles and tell me what changed. Check the bore sizes, the intake and exhaust port sizes and shapes. The cam profiles. The timing, the injector sizes. What changed?"

2006 Injectors = Are too rich, you use a 2008 ECU.
2008 Injectors = Flow rate per minute flow less.

2006 Exhaust Pipes = Have narrow pipe diameters and 2 cats in the muffler.
2008 Exhaust Pipes = Are larger in diameter and has a 3rd cat in the header to compensate for equal flow as if nothing has changed.

2006 Throttle bodies = Have a 15° injector spray angle.
2008 Throttle bodies = Moved the angle to 20° so the spray hits more in the center of the port, not spraying partial wall at that 5 degree difference.

2006 ECU's = Have to be fueled with the blue injector bodies.
2008 ECU's = Will run too rich with '06 injectors. Therefore, a map change between ECU's are inevitable.

Underground says my dyno work proves this out vs. the 2006 vs. 2008 vs. 2010 ZX14. Free dyno time. Free ZX10 >> YOu have the right contacts in the underground.

You didn't answer my question. I will refresh your memory. I asked why you said there was a difference using 2006 parts on a 2010, and why you said you could not use them on a 2008.

Because, and this is a fact per Kawasaki tech manuals, there is ABSOLUTELY NO DIFFERENCE between 2008, 2009, 2010, and probably 2011 ZX14s except year-unique part numbers and paint. I can swap all the parts from a 2008 to a 2010 and it will work. I can swap all the parts from a 2010 to a 2008 and it will work.

That is what the question was. Everyone knows the difference between a 2006 and the other years.

You didn't answer my question. I will refresh your memory. I asked why you said there was a difference using 2006 parts on a 2010, and why you said you could not use them on a 2008.

Plastic for plastic.
Rolling Chassis Parts is parts we chase parts.
Top end for top end we just keep swapping years out.
Bottom end oh look!; a straight cut gear as opposed to a conical type. OK, then we hard part the clutch basket and from gearbox to case is case, a swapping we will go once again we can swap away.

Bottom line, we can... sans the clutch basket needing to match crank, then every 14 made we can tumble one bike out of all said years back together again humpty dumpty style; if you know the subtle changes. To refresh your memory; I've owned two 14's. First Gen, I have my old injector body, and ninja's junk running '06 ECU I have yet to return, let alone test a set of 1000 injectors.

Going on how many years I have been swapping out injectors an recently lagging on the '06-ECU-14/1000 injector swap, with a chopper on the rack. I can tell you so far, I have the wideband meter video'd as I run my tests. Here is what I have on video; You can see the camera chatter once the bike hooks up from wheel spin. I just made a test move and the reaction was found to be on the super-torque A/Fratio chart. That being in the 11:1 Torque-Rich range! Rich enough and torqued enough to break tire as if trying to be consistent at the throttle so the reaction is felt.

Come to find out, the borrowed wideband, the borrowed ECU, the dyno time and the gracious time taken from my sponsor to work a few numbers in, showed a way too rich bike, with '06/08 mis-matched parts in the injector/ECU memory of it. The chart above explains nothing about swapping out plastic and most hard parts. I would think that is a given. What I was trying to convey is the chart of non-mixing things around where each given ECU/Injectors should match as a set. The rest is a free for all.

And the bottom line for the ECU/injector play? Well, every play in the refinement category, did that bike refine more HP in such a minute way is that play, you have to dig deep... Sheeeeeeee's Sleeping... Don't wake her. I'm feeding the ECU a [new] backdoor formula.

* Last updated by: Hub on 12/15/2010 @ 4:47 PM *

Set of stock '08 Injectors

'07 Injectors

Here is how I see it:

1. Racing Class: Oh, you, you "Cheater" you! Claim stock class and now you clean up? No, no you don't!
2. Vintage Class: Oh, you mixed and matched a restored 14 like 30 years down the road a piece... Like a piece here and a piece there you go... "Points deducted."
3. Troubleshooting Class: Know your colors, means, know you have a map scheduling in the ECU we do not swap these puppies all scrambled.
4th variable >> We match jet for DFI. The performance drops. The fuel mileage >>> I don't wanna talk about it if there is a difference, this is the evidence fact for fact, step for step no shop man you will PAY I walk [around] your bike, privateer.

* Last updated by: Hub on 12/16/2010 @ 8:27 AM *

The beemers/aprilias of the world are giving the Japanese a run for the technology. If Kawi thinks they can beat the Big3 being in that pool of Big4, Honda may eat everyone! LOL

If Kawi can't come out and 193hp out of the crate like a beamer but pump out 160's? I'd call the fleet back and then sharpen the finest blade in the cabinet... Cough left, slice the stomach out right like butter.

It doesn't feel like the old days, does it, D/C.

IRVINE, Calif. (Dec. 29, 2010)---Kawasaki Motors Corp., U.S.A.:

According to Kawasaki engineers;

a finding that indicated possible surging of the intake valve spring when the unit is operated under unique riding conditions, such as on a racetrack. The surge could cause the intake valve to seat improperly, resulting in poor engine performance.

The camshaft, valve springs, and spring retainers are being replaced to prevent the valves from surging, without affecting engine performance.

Mother TeaPot: Wee half to cut off head I said!
Engine Ear: No, U no buy from dog food cunt tree I told you day are not wound too tight!
Mother TP: Wee half the HP, day roll it up the dyno wheel.
Engine Ear: Ears WOToodo. You say recall and I install new cam with toof paste call them back we outsource one mow time we mow down the rr, say nuting.
Mother TPS: Day WOThe bike out the crate and she no make 199hp all not broken inn why import?
Engine Ear: Ears Looking At Chew! We put in more cam more spring and up the piss out of it say nuting we ain't gonna make it.

http://s0.ilike.com/play#Story+Of+The+Year:We%27re+Not+Gonna+Make+It:88138601:m13525837

Valve spring issue?...ahem....the word is already out...the US bike suc&s.You watch an see...they're at this moment finding a way to up the hp...and they will.Beemer's DOA. HUB!

* Last updated by: blue07 on 12/30/2010 @ 3:28 PM *

Heck, as far as I can see, Hub is DOA. He won't directly address a question, but instead devolves into convoluted useless goboly-goob craziness.

I still say I can take any part off a 2010 and put it on my 2008, and vice versa, and nobody will be able to tell the difference unless they read the part number. The guys at Dublin Kawasaki and Brocks Performance, and Muzzy pretty much all agree too.

Hub..... Brock.... no contest.

He won't directly address a question, but instead devolves into convoluted useless goboly-goob craziness.

I think, bg, stated it correctly. Nuff said.

The guys at Dublin Kawasaki and Brocks Performance, and Muzzy pretty much all agree too.

Hub..... Brock.... no contest.

You do not want to see the crew I could assemble. Nuff Said. [I mean, only if they would take up that challenge].

Privateer? Didie lie... I am asking you a yes or no, so we are both on the same page you give me some 'convoluted goboly-goob" did I nail Ivan since 1999, yes or no?

Privytear? Did I not read Brock's abstract and did he not say and I will paraphrase, you can go find it. The point is, Brock wanted less carbon buildup and you just cannot have less if one fires off the perfect A/Fratio.

PrivyTease? Didie at least Jeopardy Q like count down the seconds to the 7-UP? Did I hold a college physics professor all gob in the garbage can I counted down even KANE the moderator of a corvette website and did he lie and say; I gobbled out wanting a pink slip or get the think running as if you could arm drop a fucking ohm meter on the bike, let alone the telemetry of a corvette system from front to back.

Privateer? I am going to trade you crank only with my year '06. Ask yourself if every year is interchangeable and I'll eat the clutch basket rivets.

Privateer? Did I tell you that the best can be beaten? That's what I've heard more than once in racing. Nuff said.

* Last updated by: Hub on 12/30/2010 @ 7:22 PM *

First of all, I am not a tuner. I am a tuneup guy. There are way too many hours on the dyno you want to match-4-match. I'll bring dyno timers with kennel papers. Dogone it! LOL

Now if Brock wants to keep valve cover and exhaust pipe on, we have zero pig and just a tuneup out of the crate...

In other words, you mean that kind of tune me up? Brock has sat on a beemer at a light? Pro light? I'm still up for it. Now we go road racing we keep stock parts on bike all set?

FlagET!

A little entertainment for ya there, blue. Someone steps in front of that fish market, GearHA!

Japan ass their work cut out for them.

I told ya, 2+2 or keep looking stupid out the crate.

Yes, my money is on the King.

But........ Dis roundie says 2+2... When we're young! Ninja me some HP or yank sword and half oneself off. The germ many have many more HP and you should see that thing move at half-track.

Yes, she is a lady's bike. Under 200hp is more tampon proof. She bleeding right now. I have an OEM tampon I am about to inspect for yeast infection and cam-media; I may take a photo of her pleats.

I dig the swords there.Methinks there's a "hidden meaning" goin on?....

Hub wrote, coherently for once:

First of all, I am not a tuner. I am a tuneup guy. There are way too many hours on the dyno you want to match-4-match. I'll bring dyno timers with kennel papers. Dogone it! LOL

Now if Brock wants to keep valve cover and exhaust pipe on, we have zero pig and just a tuneup out of the crate...

In other words, you mean that kind of tune me up? Brock has sat on a beemer at a light? Pro light? I'm still up for it. Now we go road racing we keep stock parts on bike all set?

FlagET!

I will remind you that Brock had the ZX14 going down the 1/4 mile stock faster than anyone the first year it came out. They thought it was a hoot, and it still is.

The point about doing it without a PC is irrelevant. There are ways to do the same thing with a PC and without a PC. But it is all MODIFICATIONS.

I still say, and I'm right, I can interchange all stock parts across the 2008-2010 (and probably 2011) line and nobody can tell the difference.

Yes, the 2006 and 2007 are functionally and factually different. From 2008 on we have exactly the same motorcycle with each year, except for paint.

But this all started when you wrote you could put the 2006 injectors on a 2010 but not a 2008. And I still don't know why, since there is absolutely no diffence between a 2008 and a 2010.

Or did you mean ZX10 and just wrote 10, in the midst of talking about model years of the ZX14?

Surely you see my confusion ? LOL

Privy, I am messing with the bike just about every time out. Last night was no exception. That means I discovered something else new that has never occurred, 'I try this to that'; Assfactoring one WOTT after the other. I am bringing up maps on the fly and I just cannot explain the action, nor will I expose what I am doing.

Let me point out that 02 sensor is reeling off data from bike to bike. I keep saying the engine family is continually being, 'refined.'

I've more or less dyno'd two bikes, swapped 3 ECU's and rode 3 14's to know the subtle differences, watching that A/Fratio needle to injector body [colors] vs. ECU remappings = REfine the Tune. Same on top of bike [mule-ing the R&D] I installed an air valve just for experiments; to watch it fail. I simply walk the book to it's conclusion on page, 3-43; far right column.

If we are not blowing tire [chassis], blowing wire [codes and common shorts], or parts out the case [engine family], WATT or WOT (wott) else is there to know about the bike(s) but a handful of trivia between years.

Yes, you are right, Priv, we can change [chassis] parts from 2006 to 2011.
Yes again, Privy, on the engine family, you agree to eat rivets on the gears, do we right or wrong you, getting this right. So, you are now confusing me I try to walk [all years] so there is no confusion. I am full on '06 to 2011 in the exchange rate. If you can walk out of a [cut] open paper bag that shows the light out both sides or are you holding a piss full of boot?
Yes, here it comes, Privateer; I want you to tell me, yes, you understand my laundry list above [is the] interchange or we now hand you that boot full of pee we write the directions on the heel of the boot as to how to empty said content.
No, I am going to call you on the exchange of injector vs. ECU in the swap of it. Meaning, my '08 vs. underground-'10; I swapped ECU's and rode both bikes all in mis-configuration. No, you do not want to interchange your 8-10 = Wrong!

Will we damage bike we swap injectors and ECU's? No. However, our A/Fratio will be finding gas stations, we try to tune ECU to a "too fat flowing injector." For example, a swap of ECU's can send the A/Fratio right off the scale, you would have to drill holes in the head to get the air back to a decent ratio. Piss poor performance you might as well read the boot directions after you readis.

I wanted to get your 'right' out of the way about the trivia interchange. Here is the 15° throttle body on the right. I have the ZX-10 injectors in the 14's body you see here. I have no clue what the fpm is? I have a fuel piggy we watch the accel for the change. I'll have this installed later today. The mule continues to be beaten to shit like Kawi likes it.

I'm just getting on [K's] case we 2 buy 2 me. So, here I am in the oil pressure adjustment and now the injector adjustment. Fine tuning, I'll eat Brock for lunch! (jk)

* Last updated by: Hub on 12/31/2010 @ 9:18 AM *

I just sat down and almost ripped out a sheet of toilet paper butt I was still reading wrotewastemytimeworld is Chris got all that Kawi 1000 intro all fucked up; like I keep trying to tell that editor guy on line about his son getting it all fuckthetechUP is not my fault me Paz'Inn that tech all up.

Fuck quoting out of the toilet rag... WATT was said was just plain not following FI and it could just ring "I have no 'cle' what I am talking about, but here goes fact from friction we tell the tech-facts?" Did I just read that? The fuck YOU DUE and you pay for that misinformation I gotta laugh one more time

GethECUrect or it's up your erector set like anally walk the talk you are stepping all over yourselfshithell? Like a-N/D-J dosesnot walk the talk, son! And the more the kid is clueless to the 7-UP's, you are now reading damage control we do not need a factory issue press kit is just re-edit WroteWaySingWorx is not in my Circle World or theirs either!

Again, Saved Buy The Bell is that valvetrain lightened ass inn skin the cat another way we dunt need no stink'inn rocker arms!

* Last updated by: Hub on 1/6/2011 @ 3:48 PM *

I shothishit over at another website. One bomb here, one bomb there. If you do not get it right with the manuals, you will ear it from me and I do not care where I find it. I left for all to see. DO NOT fuck withe 1Atmo:

Shepootears! I thought I'd find him here! I need a thread title. I also need another month of toilet paper so I can quote more like paraphrase out of it so we are on the same page we go wrotewaysingtechere is not there is when I soil the partridge cartridge paper trail is that latest rag.

You know the rag. You sure will get all fufkedluckered in the tech speak we do not need a press kit to figure out 8 injectors run the mid-WOT so ever dies it not run all of a sudden kicks in at WOT and is left out is the mid-TRANSITION GETIT RIGHT = Chris!

It is not my fault OLD MAN cannot connect dots we are no longer in the points and condenser era tell him! OPEN SHOP MANUAL FOR YOU BACK away from the 7-UPtech if you cannot speak it!

DIS Has Been A message FroTheUNDERGROUND YOU ARE LOOKING STU PIT-PIT TEE!

And if that is not-Covered wit-Stepped over wit-Got you COVERED Wit; Digital FOOLike GETIT RIGHTee, Geeeeeeeeeeeeeeee HAaaaaaaaaaaaa!

Sheepootee speaks it, Over and OUT!

:D :Poke: :wow: :rolleyes:

:stupid: <<<< NO, I may look-talk-act but NOT in this circle-JERK am I.

FACT TORE WE = SmokeDaTechshiTall UP in the 7-UP of it we speak CorvetteActionCentral; Find "Crossfire" forum; find title; 'Crossfire 101 (your assistance is welcomed!)' and ask if the college physics professor has yet to answer the 7-UP's? Or for that matter, KANE; it might as well be MONGO.

It's not my fault, guy! Your guy has yet to see [Digital-FI- 101] when he speaks it fizzles the 7-UP. One more time. FACTS are in the factory shop manuals since 1999. Get it right nexTIME!

I did not write the book, "charlie manson kills physics teachers = Rule #1"

That 1000 is trick and you do not pay extra for you over paid out the gate for that rr. They'll sink in proportion in the price you pay we trade-in units.

Now, I have ship2shore foul hooked and dragged out of the ocean, blue. My whole point is to have a fresh unit without a cylinder score. Now I have comment about the extra cans on the bike and a longshoreman running double ton is going to take a pit spotie wax his skidueskis with his 18 holes, like a hole in one he and the college professor do not get it? I don't get it and there is that snippet in the very beginning, I am one head scratch and a ball check at the same time is my crime I come to sporthe boy for fun I could make it happen. I just know it!

That fucking 14 is going to be very nasty... Pull up a chair... The next one that is. If those engineers apply... Shefoodeduedee it's coming! It has to be a totally new package and even lighter yet!

My head is exploding the bike I am building to ship it up someone's ass busa-14 blow it out your ass. LOL

* Last updated by: Hub on 1/6/2011 @ 10:15 PM *

Yep...totally agree...yep.The new 14 is gonna be friggin killer!They made boo koo bucks from their 14 lineup since inception.NOW...that everyone's had a chance to own one....modding along the way...Kawasaki's gonna take over and create a REAL beast.That's WOT I'm thinkin.This present stock 14 kicks azz.We all know that.Stock.Outta the crate.And there's been plenty of R and D with all the sportbikers out here buyin these up and rollin.NOW that we're all used to our birds...soon it'll be another challenge...a new 14...upgraded...faster than this one.Stronger as well.Lighter.Gonna be a keeper me thinks.And if so....I "may" consider trading in.We'll see.(but I just LOVES my baby.I don't WANT to change anything really).She's been an awesome friend for goin on 4 years now.Major good times(as they say).

I most likely misunderstood what you were saying though Hubster.Now that I re-read yer last paragraph...you're saying that YOU are creating a monster?Yes?...I hope you can.It wouldn't surprise me if ya did!

* Last updated by: blue07 on 1/6/2011 @ 10:55 PM *

Those 12 guys crack me up. I bring up the past just for kicks, but these guys compare a 14 to that 12 is like me telling you the first year Z1 was light years ahead of the 12 and that is why I can beat you still with my Z against your 12's and 14's, Kawi has done nothing year after year and there you go.

So, now if another 15-16 comes out and you compare the 12 to the 14 to the 15-16 or whatever is the next Z1 to replace the 12 that replaced the 14 that is 2 or 1 year in development is that trickle down tiny ECU, less wire harness weight, thinner cams and different materials all about to wax the 14 and you'll all cry the 14 outperforms the next gen.

Not going to happen. I'm slowly reading the BS as I take a S, I savior the good part where I see part of the press kit and the laundry list of changes. Already out the gate and RRW has it wrong. Why he didn't mention fuel kick with ignition kick is the proportion. And according to your basic FI, you need to show me where the 4th set of injectors are not kicking in at the n-A mid to high like the manual says as in basic FI hits that middle in the 60hz of nature is going to slap your there no matter WATT!

It's the basic 7-UP lost in the steps and now he catearpillherd the hurd in the wrong direction, are stepping on their toes. Racing is again, safe full of secrets, YOU LOSE! And now I have someone explaining VOES to me like it's not basic-basic 7-UP we start there with our first sensor installed.

SheepooTEA I need drink! Feed the sheep they are running around chasing tail and it's not my fault, hello read the a 1999 shop manual not the press kits!

* Last updated by: Hub on 1/7/2011 @ 6:40 AM *