So how are you guys gonna brake in your H2s?
Mainly interested in Grn and Somefun since they actually bought them.
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Created on: 03/19/15 04:37 PM
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VicThing
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cruderudy
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RE: Breaking in your H2?
03/19/15 9:35 PM
Since I don't have an H2 inbound I'll just offer my professional opinion. You all know what that's worth today. My professional opinion is based of 30 years of breakin in and breaking all sorts of cool stuff on satellites paid for by Uncle Sugar.
So my advise is ... it depends on your requirements!
If your requirement is for max power for racing and you are not that concerned about an accelerated rebuild schedule - go for it, motorboat, motorman, ride it like you stole it or whatever you read on the internet if its going to meet your requirement of max power.
If your requirement is for max reliability, go with the factory recommended process.
Important decisions are always based on your goals or requirements.
Somefun
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RE: Breaking in your H2?
03/20/15 4:11 AM
Sorry guys didn't see this post. I'll ride her pretty good depending on the roads. I'll get on her for sure. Maybe not up to red line the first few hundred but I hope to get real close to it. Lol I'll put on about 500 mile or so and then change the oil out to Amsoil 10/40w. I run it in all my toys and love it...never had an issue with a motor running this oil and I've actully seen oil temps drop 30 degrees just by changing from conventionl oil.....
But let me tell you whe the roads are warm and clean I'm gonna beat this girl like a red headed step child! Lol then I'll make sure she's tucked in with a nice blanket and oil can when we get home :)
Grn14
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RE: Breaking in your H2?
03/20/15 5:26 AM
Most likely break mine in like I did my 14's.Initial 'ring setting' runs...a few...then a regular 'book' style break-in.With some variance of course.I think on this one,I'm gonna wait till the 600 miles first oil change though.Since the filter and oil are designed to perform a certain way,in those first set of miles,I won't vary from the manual's recommendation.
I think Rook hit it on the head when he mentioned in another post something about the fine particles actually helping to create a better wear procedure.I agree.Kinda like a knife on a whetstone.That may very well be why Kawasaki recommends 600 miles before changing out.Always kinda wondered WHY they'd say this,since 'logically' it would seem like a guy would want to keep his new oil/motor as particle free as possible.But I think now I'm seeing this thing a bit differently.As well as how the engine parts/surfaces are heating and cooling to galvanize the whole break-in process.
It is a new engine.NOT a remake of any engine they have right now.So I'm gonna mostly stay with the book on this one.
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Kruz
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RE: Breaking in your H2?
03/20/15 11:58 AM
Ride it like you stole it!
pegscraper
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RE: Breaking in your H2?
03/20/15 12:31 PM
[quote]It is a new engine.NOT a remake of any engine they have right now.So I'm gonna mostly stay with the book on this one.
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That's probably the most important factor to consider with the H2. The pre-production testing will certainly have been very intensive but as far as joe public is concerned it's still an unknown quantity. I bought a 14R and have done all my own servicing/maintenance after the first 'free' dealer service but if I was waiting for a H2, doing things by the book and keeping the warranty intact would be the way to go. JMO
VicThing
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RE: Breaking in your H2?
03/20/15 4:07 PM
LOL this is always what's so fun about these boards. Everyone's like dyno breakin is the best! Motoman it! So people here didn't dyno break in a '12 14R because it's a new engine? LOL come on.
Etiher driving it out of the blazing the tires is the best way to break it in or it's not. Doesn't matter what bike.
Also yeah it's an expensive Kawasaki. It's not really an expensive motorcycle. Not like it's made of gold or something
pegscraper
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RE: Breaking in your H2?
03/20/15 4:49 PM
The 2012 14R did not have a 'new' engine. It's basically a just stroked 1352 lump with a few other tweaks and is an already proven design with several years 'consumer testing' under it's belt. Had it been a completely new entity, as is the case with the H2 I'd almost certainly have gone with dealer servicing for the warranty, for the first year at least.
Grn14
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VicThing
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RE: Breaking in your H2?
03/20/15 10:42 PM
Well that might be true. But it's still a new engine. It's not like you fellas really know how Kaw does thigs internally, no one does but Kaw. Maybe they had all the same tooling, maybe they had new tooling. Another significant diffrence is the crank journal sizes.
There's quite a bit of differences between Gen 1 and Gen 2 engines. My guess is either their tooling was heavily modified or replaced for Gen 2 projects
Romans
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RE: Breaking in your H2?
03/23/15 10:56 PM
I guess when some others here get this bike,they can break it in as they wish.
Ya but Grn my plan is to buy your bike when you get tired of being cramped up on that little bike. That being said don't be shy with her lol. Do I still have Dibbs ?
From what we now know about the H2 ECU, you guys are Not going to be able to be to hard on that bike anyway. Throttle plates close up so early in the RPM window.This is your governor. More of a joke if you think you cant hurt that bike. Yet she will be only to willing to scare the piss out of you,,, Promise. Stock wheel base going to be a fun ride, of that you can be sure. 188mph will come quick.
Grn14
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RE: Breaking in your H2?
03/23/15 11:37 PM
Well...Guhl's got the ECU fix for those throttlebodies...so that's a plus.Among other nice tidbits for this engine programming.I'm thinkin she aint gonna actually be 'that' small.Smidgen less than a 14,a bit more from the 10R.Sounds just about right for me.
Right now,I just can't see selling her off.I'll be of course breaking it in carefully,but not TOO carefully.I think it'll be fine with my break-in ways.Along with the book's as well.ALL these sportbikes from Kawasaki have the same values for break-ins.I think that strongly suggests that Kawasaki is more concerned with the rider getting familiar with the bike than actually damaging something.Not that they aren't wanting the bike itself to last a long time,but that caveat about "having a broken down motorcycle instead of a 'broken-in' one" gets guy's attention.In reality,a strong yet careful use from 0 miles up to 1K is probably just fine.I mean...I've never had any engine issues doing it like this with ANY of my Kawasaki bikes.
Romans
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RE: Breaking in your H2?
03/24/15 12:17 AM
Well...Guhl's got the ECU fix for those throttlebodies...so that's a plus.Among other nice tidbits for this engine programming.
Sure does, going to be Awesome !
Grn the break in debate will live forever. I always beat mine in. That's just my way.
I have read all the threads as most have. Coles notes; for me years ago was info supports better ring sealing Hard Break ins. Dozens of tuners all the same findings. Are they all lying ? possible but doubt it.
Not once have I ever, ever, read anywhere someone had to do a motor rebuild at 50,000 instead of 80,000. As if they could prove it anyway. No proof for me equals no science behind false possibilities of the "What If Game". So to me those stories add up to Bull Shit.
Second point, if motor won't take the strain I want it to break while it's under warranty. These motors aren't cheap. shame to hear tap tap tap after warranty has run out.
3rd point, I've been jamming these stock motors with way to much boost and they still won't blow,,, well maybe soon lol.... Just have fun with it who cares what the rest say. That bike will need allot of space to break in the Moto Man way. No matter what method you choose Be careful. ,,, When's my turn ?
Rook
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RE: Breaking in your H2?
03/24/15 5:02 AM
I think that strongly suggests that Kawasaki is more concerned with the rider getting familiar with the bike than actually damaging something.
Be careful. ,,, When's my turn ?
LOL When I got the 14, the only other bikes I had ridden were cruisers or tiny off road bikes when I was a kid. I was scared to death to wail on the Ninja. There's no way I was going to go WOT as soon as I got on her. 1/4 throttle was already giving me chills. If I got an H2, I would be apprehensive about nailing the throttle wide open under 4th gear. I'd want to do it but I think the smart thing would be to gradually wait to see what it does. MAybe I would try some lower rpm rollons in 4th gear. If it doesn't wheelie at 10,000 rpm, I would think it would be safe to assume it isn't going to come up too high at 14000 rpm. ...of course, you're going maybe 160 at redline in 4th gear. Ah hell, I'd do it.
Grn14
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Rook
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Grn14
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Rook
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RE: Breaking in your H2?
03/25/15 3:11 PM
yeah, I have Flash Player but Apple decided not to allow the latest update to run on a Mac. The next update should be out in a few weeks. I don't think I was able to use Java when I tried it a while ago.
So how did he break in his H2? Smokey burnout?
Nastynotch
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RE: Breaking in your H2?
03/25/15 4:04 PM
High Rpm squid like riding down the freeway weaving in and out of traffic
hagrid
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pegscraper
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pegscraper
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RE: Breaking in your H2?
03/25/15 5:28 PM
[quote]yeah, I have Flash Player but Apple decided not to allow the latest update to run on a Mac. The next update should be out in a few weeks. I don't think I was able to use Java when I tried it a while ago./quote]
I'm running Flash Player 14.0.0.145 on OSX 10.9.5 and it works fine. I've been getting prompts to install a Flash Player and Reader update for a while now but keep ignoring it. Maybe I should keep on doing so!
Rook
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RE: Breaking in your H2?
03/25/15 5:43 PM
I have 10.6.8 OS X. This happens all the time and all I can find on the internet is to go to the Adobe site and download the latest version. Seems to me the previous version was working fine. I have in the past refrained from updating and what eventually happened was that the old Flash Player became blocked. I then installed the updated version and it was blocked. Eventually, one of the updates works. This has hapenned two or three times in the last 12 months. It's the only thing I don't like about my Mac.
I'll have to wait to see the H2 expressway squid.
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Grn14
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