Bigger displacement, more air flow, same old throttle bodies. I'm curious, does anyone plan on trying out a set of bigger throttle bodies?

Where are you going with this? Have you been updated? You cannot touch this bike and swap injectors. There is an idle sensor. Show me how you are going to pull that wire that is the idle cable sorta speak and now, how are you going to install a hand made screw kind of idle into a wire harness. 'Connectors not connected' is one of the basic 3-amigos of codes present. Make sense your dash is rendered useless? FI is one big blink with key on. No more smiling cat eyes.

* Last updated by: Hub on 10/15/2011 @ 7:16 PM *

Bore out the throttle bodies, make larger throttle plates, and you'd have a bigger throttle body.

I'm going to wind up buying the shop manual. This is the trick. Yes, bore it, lose the second taper of the venturi. In other words, you modded an air flow. WATT if the idle goes a few hundred rpm higher?

Then, here is where I need the R's shop manual. Show me how you turn the idle down > If need be? Do we have a relearning ECU to return to idle? See, this is all new to me. Next thing is how to see what the body looks like? I rather not discuss this in public.

You won't see me answer too much. I've got something on aprilia and don't wanna say I give it away...

* Last updated by: Hub on 10/15/2011 @ 8:16 PM *

Yer gonna have to wait Hubster...they don't HAVE any manuals for sale yet.I tried already!

I was going to get these for my 07, but will get them for the 12 before I have a custom map made. I believe that there was a post on psychobike about the 12 still using 44's and that these should give another 7-8 HP.
http://www.competitioncnc.com/throttle_bodies.html

* Last updated by: seno on 10/15/2011 @ 8:52 PM *

I'm going to wind up buying the shop manual. This is the trick. Yes, bore it, lose the second taper of the venturi. In other words, you modded an air flow. WATT if the idle goes a few hundred rpm higher?

Since it's got an automatic idle adjuster, it shouldn't matter that there are bigger throttle bodies. It should be able to adjust the idle just fine..

I was going to get these for my 07, but will get them for the 12 before I have a custom map made. I believe that there was a post on psychobike about the 12 still using 44's and that these should give another 7-8 HP.
http://www.competitioncnc.com/throttle_bodies.html

Now we just need them to bore out the new throttle bodies ;) Have you seen a dyno on the old ZX-14 stock motor with these?

Ok here is what I know, sorry it is not a concise answer but my experience with Jim from Competition CNC.
1) No, never have seen any Dyno sheet, and want to see a before & after with real world mods.(not here say about it made like 20+ HP on Ricky's bike. Ricky's bike has the best of the best available which most of us will never have).
2) When I called to order the 47mm throttle bodies, Jim from Comp CNC answered the phone. I had explained that my bike was going to be custom tuned and wanted a before & after real world HP comparison. At that time the only card I had on me was American Express which he does not take: So I had to call back with my Visa and got his answering machine. Two hours passed by and I called back again and got his machine (again) then proceeded to leave a 2nd message. To this day I have never received a call back, how many times do I need to call him to GIVE him my money??
My experience with him tells me that his customer service sucks, or that he has plenty of business and can't be bothered with a shitty $500 sale. If I have a problem or question I wonder how many times I would have to call to get help. Sorry if I offended anyone but everyone is entitled to their own opinion. He is probably a very nice guy that is just really busy or maybe it is in part to do with making a real world HP comparison on the Dyno? Or maybe he has a thriving business and does not have enough time to answer the phone & return calls.... No one knows but him.
Regardless many of here would love to see a real world HP comparison before and after on a 14 with basic mods (Pipe, filter, PC3 or V, block off's).

Since it's got an automatic idle adjuster, it shouldn't matter that there are bigger throttle bodies. It should be able to adjust the idle just fine...

I am scared. Very scared! The future does not look bright! I still had a hack of a ride home with this "I-Tup" though. We always have method to play in.

Okay, with that aside, Here is what I know so far playing with the 'italian tuneup.' I have a nagging high idle. I tuned this bike by ear. The throttle sync is not having it. Book says to run one side a CO% of -50 something or other abstract number. It just says it, does not give the abstract why? Or, not watt is making sense to me in the lagging sense of it.

I mean, rods/pistons/cylinders have the same matching length. That is like saying, we have the bmw opposed laid down. Are we about to lag one cylinder? Now, I can see maybe, some sort of lag distance from a V angle and in one direction kind of lag side. It matters here nor there at the moment. WATT matters is this. Add two and two together:

1. To sync this T-up, I need an OEM special tool snuff box, with a mini bung probe. You also need a handheld device like they use for cars. Bad news is that we need to wall street the gov here to scream generic handhelds like cars. The factories almost had it their way was to lock you out of the car's electrics when the platform is windows something generic everyone uses for FI.
2. I think you also need the handheld to send the idle down with a keystroke. You know, say 25 rpm increments at a time. I am sure this can be done in open loop as it can in closed loop. Right now, I know the closed loop animal somewhat. Enough to know I am stuck traveling hundreds of miles for service to some handheld? Handcuffed is more like it. I'm telling you the factories better not go that way here or start complaining. The freedom of tuning is going quicker than you think.
3. Now, I'm a fucking gas hacker. I was an electrics hacker. See how fast things are moving along? See ya! See my makings of a, "pizza probe?" kind of meguyveer?
So veer over here and take a gander. You know me. I'm just a backyard mechanic with zero schooling skills. Lucky you guys, you have others here that are sharper on the electrics side. They are going to hit a wall and lets just say... Let them fuck up Bulletproof-R first.
4. I ordered my toppings with curly fries, bungs, and lungs. Dishisheer way to set the idle, no stop screw even. One solid rod like the subthrottle shaft. No adjustment! How does one set the idle without a handheld? You have to buy a special tool from the special tools catalog kind of has your signature on the franchise contract that you also buy the factory tools so you can do warranty claims.
5. Here is my gas tool anal eyes her. Isn't first mockup a bitch? Yep, crude and I have no clue how close I am to a factory one. You know how you can't go back to the shop area? It may be one of two things; The one is, if they have the tool, no one in the back knows how to use it. The other is, if the shop is a dump, cheap ass place, then they don't have one or where is it then? Think of all those franchises under one roof with everyone's separate idle tool. I'm telling you it's not looking good down the road. Gov intervention or leave the bikes tunable. You would waste more gas back and forth to some dealer, wear out the car/lease a trailer/the whole shit smells!

* Last updated by: Hub on 10/16/2011 @ 7:40 PM *

See that flop over lag time in the pin to pins of the crank to small end flop? Something like that ~ Swing it over in the half helper half the flop side? I have no clue? I'm going sycn this engine as even as possible, fuck that. I look at it as an opposed twin, a 180 opposed engine being up and down say. Say, no matter the angle, I want even pulse. If I lag the C0% by -50 inch pounds or whatever the vacuum crap, I am going to shoot craps with two of the same ohm meters and hit both the same numbers in their boxes.

How are you going to sync the R? I want that shop manual or let me see the bike physically and low and behold! Generic parts!

Yo Hub...did ya read about that new Traction control on the new bird?Looks like you'll need to forgo getting one now....it uses that dumbazz REAR BRAKE to fine tune it's actions!So...you get no idle adjust....AND...a rear brake as a necessity!DOUBLE WHAMMY!!!!!WHHEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! I'd say they directed this bike RIGHT TO YOU my man!!

Guess all my practice trailbraking and such won't be needed anymore.Now I won't be using the rear break either!!!!

* Last updated by: blue07 on 10/16/2011 @ 8:13 PM *

You guys are frigging bone heads, the R model ain't out yet, and you lunatics are thinking about making it faster and more powerful? I promise that no one here is using even the full capacity of the 14 motor. Focus on tires, and suspension, and riding skills, these are definite areas we can all improve on. These new motors need nothing, hell, going for a tune up is something to do at like 30-40K miles, and what does it include; spark plugs, wow, a LONG way from just 25+ yrs ago!

......and weight reduction. I'll always take faster but better handling is the best modding I've done. Love the aftermarket exhaust too---just so much more fun.

.....but then again, when is there enough power for straightline performance???? Maybe when you are on your butt with the riderless bike wheelying down the road in front of you. LOL!

Shit on a toilet and go read you bike rags, Donnyboy...

You are not even on the same level as the squididdy.Peepeepity.

Every bike that will ever come out will be tweaked. YOu more tweak your pee-pee. Why don't you use those bike rags like I do... Wipe me bum wit dumb.

Besides, I know most of those bungle butts. You gotta be kidding me!

You guys are frigging bone heads, the R model ain't out yet, and you lunatics are thinking about making it faster and more powerful? I promise that no one here is using even the full capacity of the 14 motor. Focus on tires, and suspension, and riding skills, these are definite areas we can all improve on. These new motors need nothing, hell, going for a tune up is something to do at like 30-40K miles, and what does it include; spark plugs, wow, a LONG way from just 25+ yrs ago!

Even though our bikes can't corner as good as the liter bikes - half the liter bike owners I've seen on the street can't corner much better on their liter bikes then I can on my 14. So the next best thing is power. Will I use it all? Probably not, but I'd rather have it there when I ask for it, then not have it at all. It's always a lot of fun to hear someone rag on about our Bike being too heavy and what not.. only to beat them in the mountains.

On top of all that though, 75% of the time I'm going straight or barely leaning the bike. So why not have the power?

No one here has even touched a new 14R...don't get how they can say"gonna handle not so good cause of the added 20 lbs"...sheesh,20 lbs?That's NUTHIN.Put yer stock cans back on yer 14's...go ride.Rip up the curves...after riding the 14 since...what..some here...06?...throw her into some of the turns and such like you do now with your lighter pipes and such.You aint gonna feel ANY real difference.I know...I did just that.NO handling difference.Only reason I switched back to my TiForces was cause of the mapping and take-off feel.Other than that,she handled JUST FINE.I did not want to lug my computer downstairs,hook up the usb(which meant removing some plastics)and changing a fine map.Just too much hassle for me at the time.But the stock pipes test was fully acceptable.To be honest,she actually felt MORE planted in the corners.Truth.

IMO...TIRES are what really make the difference.When a guy finds the right tires for himself and his riding style(tires he feels completely safe on),the handling issue vastly improves.I think the rider's skill and finesse level goes up the more he rides and pushes.I would say...it's very much like playing guitar...in a different way,ya,but....I've seen players that could take an old cheap guitar...and play Hendricks on it...you'd never really know it was an el cheapo.The 14 takes getting used to,mainly.Once you know that certain manuvers have to be intitiated a bit differently than say,a literbike...then you naturally get better,and your baby seems to handle better.It aint the bike...it's the rider.

* Last updated by: blue07 on 10/16/2011 @ 11:00 PM *

http://www.ashonbikes.com/content/kawasaki-zzr1400-2012

2012 in Jan? I bet we see parts waiting so Suzuki comes out with that new issue to beat Kawi. Then Kawi throws in the 2013 parts and now Suzuki thought they had something... I love goofing around. No power numbers. No set date. No editor knows what the press kits is saying about that idle yet.

At least they have the US as the get away from the doorslammer power outage. Where the euro crowd likes to watch their gas consumption as they eat some slop from over the alps. Fondue me!

Nice article.Me likes.Hubster...why so determined to change fact though.She's already being released in some places.And mine is coming in November.Along with several(maybe thousands)all around the country. "no power numbers"?didn't you see the dyno chart there....assuming it's for real...which it most likely is.

Hub buddy...let me say it this way...ahem...you're gonna Trust Brock's word about gettin one in January...maybe for him....a guy who photoshops TWO bikes into one and presents it as "legit".Already 'sellin' systems for a bike he hasn't even ridden?(anyone REALLY know that midpipe diameter except Ricky?)Who loves ya Baby?This is Blue here.You know...the dweeb squid my man .Forget January.They're already here.(okay...I know..not in the prolific sense...but...).If they aint here...they're either comin off that assemblyline in Japan...or on that slow boat to....CHINA? "turn the friggin boat ya jerks...yer goin the wrong friggin way.Keep this up and we'll end up where we're goin." http://youtu.be/WXh1tW16V-8

Fine time for Kawasaki to decide to go green and ditch all their Diesel Powered cargo ships!Nice.Little twist of that hari kari thingamabob?January huh?You may be right

* Last updated by: blue07 on 10/16/2011 @ 11:42 PM *

Blue... I bleed green. I'm just squeezing a pimple here and there.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=d2FT4FprxDg&NR=1

Great choice Hub....very cool.

http://3.bp.blogspot.com/_Mvhjidbvdzc/SUZaHkYURMI/AAAAAAAAMio/yc5YuBGPgTs/s1600/kaw+01.jpg

Ain'tell'inn or I'd be smell'inn

Better you see it all. Next paintrend?

* Last updated by: Hub on 10/17/2011 @ 12:09 AM *

http://youtu.be/-x_TXWYAH7o...and I'm here...on vacation...weather's very good for railin,and my traded 14 is now sitting at the dealer's...waiting.....waiting.

And FINALLY...they arrive!http://youtu.be/lqKLhKjt6yUWhen asked "WTF were you thinkin...we just wanted the new bikes"...here's what the skipper had to say...http://youtu.be/lLByHmEVcQwBut at last...they were ready to roll...to the Dealershttp://youtu.be/zEM8ojG2eDI

Seemed like endless hours of waiting...but finally...I got the call"Your bike is in and ready,just come around back....she's all set to go"!(see page two for pic of my new 14R)Well worth the wait I tell ya....awesome...just awesome.Full review coming up!

* Last updated by: blue07 on 10/17/2011 @ 12:57 AM *

Here is the future:

1. Fly by wire.
2. Toe Wick Slickshift.
3. Twackshun Control Launch.
4. T-rackshun Control launch is no longer just the front wheel carry over for R. That is the inteRsection.
5. Witwackinn, year pack'inn some carry it to the next block, fuck the intersection.

R we on the same planet yet?