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GoPro vs. Camcorder vs. Camera
07/11/13 8:36 AM

When grn's bird was captured in flight, found another snip of the bird closer to the bike, I was so impressed with the clarity, I put the Wooly on hold. Now I hold a shit load of accessories that are way overpriced, but that's another story of injection molding, the machined blocks costing about 20 grand or say a guesstlmate? So the rest is sheer profit once those steel blanks keep on injecting, because they were paid for long ago.

With the absorbing sequence of how do I meguyveer this puppy like my 3 cameras, I threw more money at the injection molded parts. You look at a bag and it's 20 to 30 a pop: it adds up. So when I see all those position$ on cars and whatnot? You're looking at cases of beer not being purchased this weak is I have to buy those weak ass parts.

It seems the history with this unit was intended for underwater purposes. So the vibration in the water is cushioned. Out in the air, with fast air, and hard bumps, this thing will move if not well secured. And with my anal moves, I need to stabilize this puppy much better than it sitting static on the 'thumbwheel towers' call them?

I have yet to work on a video with this pro3 unit. I've been reading up, pushing buttons, watching screen, erasing video, handheld push button playing too; it's all new. With time for glue to set, other R&D moves to condition myself to learn all these wide/narrow/speed settings, it's going to take some time to see all the possibilities.

What I've learned so far is how long the battery lasts? I have the 32bit size mini card, let that guy fill up with the most pixel capacity. I watched the [main] battery bars disappear, but it kept on running with [tiny reserve bars] in view. The mini card filled in 1.1 hours. So there is no problem if say you run a piggyback battery. No, I did not run the 3 with its own battery supply.

Speaking about supply, I also bought the pro's car charger. I bought 2 cigarette lighter stations at radio shack. There is one in front of the gas tank, the other at the back thru the seat frame rail sections and in between them. Which means I took a dremel and ground out the plastic cover to expose the charging jack. So I can run the 3 with the bike feeding the batteries. I can keep the cam on for a long time and just hit the handheld when needed. Then again, that handheld will need charging too.

With the charging stations completed, it is showing me how little I could move the heavy camcorders, how many meguyveers I'd have to do to the R to match the 14's camera mounts again. All those steel mounts again? This is so much easier. At what price? I guess this is like the company, Caterpillar. Who else makes the parts? So you are stuck with no alternative.

I had a funky, yeah it took pics but it was a garage sale plastic camera and would work and then wouldn't sorta. So I removed the tripod mount, glued it to the back of the water tight plastic panel. I can now mount the 3 on a tripod. I also glued an old bmw key on the back as my tether hole. I also grabbed the hand strap off that garage cam, laced that thru the key hole. I'll bend another key so I can glue that to the side, lock both the hinged cover to the case. Run a key ring thru it, then one of those tiny spring clips and tether it to the bike somewhere? This way, if the hing were to let go, the main latch may not be able to keep the door in place. So I added some insurance and a second tether.

Which brings me to the 3rd tether. As I meguyveer more parts like the thumbtowers, I have to salvage a mounting clip hinge body, salvage another hinge for the top of the clip, meaning, there is my 3rd tether tied into the back of the cover. Here, I salvaged another tripod mount from the old camera's meguyveering. I screwed that into the back of the cover, run a [?I don't know yet the bridge?], or a stability bar from the back of the cover to the salvaged clip and sticky mount.

Up to this point, I have power to the batteries, towers for vibration points. And to point up this charging issue: we have nature working this balance all the time. So with battery A (pro) and battery B (piggy), say batt-A is 6.3v and batt-B is 6.1v. We are going to cut the batteries in half so that balance will be cut to 6.2v right off the bat you squeeze them together. Now, down the road to chargingville? 6.1 is going to drag down 6.3. If 6.1 is all she wrote, she is going to be pulling current off the .3v side. So eventually, the stronger 6.3 batt is going to [eventually] be weak bye .2v. In other words, either pull batteries and individually charge them off the cig lighter: once you stop recording and/or stop riding for a bit? It takes only a few minutes to recharge them. I'm going to keep that piggy as in peak shape, so I may pull over and individually charge them. If say you were at some race filming? When no events are happening, jump in the car with the charger and cables, keep them charged by themselves. It's that little extra voltage you just may need to capture that one good shot.

The only issue I see is either my computer can't deal with this much data, or I'm playing with the wrong seconds? It skips. Don't know if that would happen in their free program or moviemaker? I'm still setting up cam positions and tether points. So I'll take this mini card to apple or bestbuy and try it on their towers? See if I need to send Wooly even farther back on the waiting list. Maybe this happened to you first time out and figured it out?


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RE: GoPro vs. Camcorder vs. Camera
07/11/13 8:55 PM

Never used a go pro, but make sure you are using a high speed card (class 10 I think) for HD video. A slower card just can't record fast/smoothly enough.

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RE: GoPro vs. Camcorder vs. Camera
07/11/13 10:14 PM

"It skips"...codec(and/or player).GoPro HD...set for 1080 res,30/60 fps.Wide angle.Your player should be able to work with this setting.I use Window media Viewer,OR HP video viewer...OR...another good one for playback...VLC.Freeware...good player with lots of options for playback.


You may also need to download any new firmware updates from GoPro...I'd make sure they're in there FIRST...it should show the firmaware data on the display when you turn the power button on.


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RE: GoPro vs. Camcorder vs. Camera
07/12/13 1:46 AM

Got the class 10 card, Stevie.
I assumed the update was already in the camera? I could work the screen up until tonight. With the update, seems to be working again. So maybe it did need it? Thanks, Grn.



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RE: GoPro vs. Camcorder vs. Camera
07/12/13 1:50 AM

I went out to see how the midi mic works? I have a Y-connector, and extension cord, two boom mics and it works! So one I can speak into as I change modes. The other will pickup engine notes at the back.



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RE: GoPro vs. Camcorder vs. Camera
07/12/13 8:28 AM

Y/W...with these Gopros..they can be finicky sometimes.Pushing the power buttons and mode buttons too quickly in succession can throw the 'programming' off...sometimes.Sometimes the sd card will need to be 'reformatted' in the computer as well...as opposed to 'downloading the file(s)' and 'erasing' via the usb cable from cam to PC.They can get 'corrupted'..then things don't work right.

If you power on the cam..then immediately push the shutter button to record...it will get confused...you have to wait for a few seconds after it powers on...course,you can can set it to start recording when you press the power button...there is a menu for that in there.Called 'one button' on or off.


IF you get a small icon on the display showing a guy riding a bicycle...it means your card/or cam has gotten corrupted.You will need to reformat the card,or cam,or both.


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RE: GoPro vs. Camcorder vs. Camera
07/12/13 4:28 PM

I went out to see how the midi mic works? I have a Y-connector, and extension cord, two boom mics and it works! So one I can speak into as I change modes. The other will pickup engine notes at the back.

Cool. I need one!

Noticed the annoying rattle noise picked up by the GoPro is caused by using the waterproof door. I think the firmware is programmed to enhance whatever sound is recorded. The sound is muffled by the sealed door. The camera must amplify it to get any quality. The minute rattles of the cam against the inside of the box are amplified as well.

...so use the open hole door. Great sound for me.

BTW< tried your Hero2 Greenie! Digging that puppy!!!!!!!! Will post a lil vid soon. Nothing cool enough to get to ambitious with editing.



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RE: GoPro vs. Camcorder vs. Camera
07/12/13 6:08 PM

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RE: GoPro vs. Camcorder vs. Camera
07/12/13 6:19 PM

I wasted the water door and the main body so far. I had to cut down the midi plug so it would slide deeper than the battery charger's ground out entry way. When I cut the boot down on the midi jack, I cut too much off, exposed some copper housing, but it didn't affect anything. I wanted an air tight fit.

First I thought about running without the mini mic, so I drilled the other side of the water door where they have the mic on the camera's other side too. Since I have the back touch screen, it came with more doors, sans the body's new hole. But I doubt I'll be dropping this in any water soon.

On some settings the audio is canceled out. I tried a few, so if you are shooting slow-mo, of course it's not going to play at real time. Are most using the default 1440?



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RE: GoPro vs. Camcorder vs. Camera
07/12/13 7:12 PM

I think the default is 1080 wide.Depends which one you have?Be honest with ya...I've never seen a 1440 option?Never heard of the sound being 'cancelled' out either.It can be disabled(I think).

"When I cut the boot down on the midi jack, I cut too much off"...you couldn't drill(dremel)a hole to push that jack through...and use some sort of 'sealing' material where it stops going in(on the outside of the case)?Something that would remain stuck to the casing,yet allow the jack to be pushed/pulled in or out?IDK...I'm not familiar with the jack and where it's going into the cam....I've got doors up the wazoo...let me know if you need any.Have an extra case as well...brand new...don't know which model you've got..but I've got two separate cases here.


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RE: GoPro vs. Camcorder vs. Camera
07/12/13 7:54 PM

I have the pro3. W-1440-48 is the default display. Yes I did drilled, dremel and took a jeweler's file to finish off the corners square. I can't glue anything because I caused the interference fit so it won't fall out while riding. I have to remove the cam from the case so it can't be permanent. This way, I was so close, it all worked out this way.

The early case has the round eye I believe? The latest case has a square glass viewer. Early pro's are 'quote' 23% larger using the thumb card say. This one uses the mini card so they can shrink the cam some, add a tiny bit more motherboard for more features is my guess?

Yeah, it's really a tossup. Do I spend 50 bucks on a case or another buck 50 on the silver or gray model, get the case for free.



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RE: GoPro vs. Camcorder vs. Camera
07/12/13 9:37 PM

Guess I'll have to look at mine closer then...maybe I did see 1440 display in there...Maybe try it out?OH...okay...you have the Black edition then.....yes...it's 4K isn't it?1440 I've never heard of.If you film with 4K res...your player will most likely NOT play it.It's new...this 4K deal...on monitors and such.That's why I didn't get that Black model....can't afford a monitor that'll display it.

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RE: GoPro vs. Camcorder vs. Camera
07/12/13 10:09 PM

Yep, I was shooting 4k, 2.7k, upside down, and some others. I'd like to swap gopro's so we can run them on the other bike, we swap back and go home with you being videoed by the other rider with h/er gopro mounts.



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RE: GoPro vs. Camcorder vs. Camera
07/13/13 8:39 AM

That 4k..that sounds pretty cool.You'll have to post up some vids with it in 4k...maybe Youtube will be able to work with that.I mean...they MIGHT play on a personal monitor...but the resolution might not show as well...?

Most likely that's why it was skipping and all....your monitor?(hardware)


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RE: GoPro vs. Camcorder vs. Camera
07/20/13 6:26 PM

Well, I have a useless camera or an obsolete computer. I read it too late. "If your video skips, you need to reach around and toss this old processor out the house.' 'You need game card kind of processing with a core 2 duo, 4GB, 3.0 - 3.7 GHz ivy bridge processor, nvidia geforce gt650m." Or run 720 in the slow setting. Well, I have to wipe my drive and then remove all I can out of that so I have more space to free up.

We talking over a grand for a computer this size? I've been looking. Anyone computer savvy I can get away with in the cheap seats or just bite the bullet?



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RE: GoPro vs. Camcorder vs. Camera
07/20/13 8:43 PM

Get online with HP....check out their models...PC is what you want.May as well get one with at least a terabyte memory.Gaming card...NiVidea Gforce...or better...you can custom make your new PC and add/subtract the features you don't want(or need).Freeing up more space probably will not affect the monitor hardware(video card).So you need something powerful enough to run that 4k...Nividea has some strong cards...and you will probably have some options on the HP site for a machine you choose...(several different cards and such)....Duo core or Quad core for the best CPU and all.(Intel).You'll have to look into the hardware and compatible monitors...that's the key there...it has to be compatible with the 4K resolution(s)....OR...go the other route...and lower your resolution on your cam...it should have something in there less...like 960 or 1080?OR standard Resolution....I think that's 960?30 FPS.Something like that.

"If your video skips, you need to reach around and toss this old processor out the house.' 'You need game card kind of processing with a core 2 duo, 4GB, 3.0 - 3.7 GHz ivy bridge processor, nvidia"....I told ya...4k is pretty new....still...your black edition SHOULD film in a lower res just fine...how old IS your PCLOL!


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I don't know if this system can process 4k...I think so probably if your monitor can hang with it?Hope this helps...they're actually not terribly expensive....Good luck;)


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RE: GoPro vs. Camcorder vs. Camera
07/20/13 10:05 PM

Thanks, Grn... Figured you'd have the gopro level of pc seeing the video quality... Cough, no spits. I kept on getting hand me downs, then broke down for one I guess in 2005? That's the latest copyright year. Plus... Takes no speed to rattle your can, greenie. Think I wanna get on line sooner with a faster computer???

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I've deleted clean video at the lower settings. So for me to take advantage of the camera and all the higher settings, this puts Wooly in the back seat again? I think he's next. I'll live with the slow mo setting. Thanks for the lookup.


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RE: GoPro vs. Camcorder vs. Camera
07/21/13 12:05 AM

Ya...faster and more powerful for sure.That one above...the Intel(HP)...very good PC.Remember....terabytes...not Gigs.And High end Graphics card...NVidia.I've got a 425 in mine...IDK if it will process 4K....probably.But it does really well with HD and all that.Quad core(that's 8 processors).Sandy Bridge...very nice.


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RE: GoPro vs. Camcorder vs. Camera
07/25/13 12:31 PM

Processor ~ Intel Core i7-4770
RAM ~ 16.0-GB
GForce ~ 640
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Like trading in a ZX-11 for a 14R. My sister laughed at me for having such a relic. The salesman was saying, "It's time." And I know the tech leaps every 18 months: was some guy's theory, which came true. So with the latest gopro, I needed the processing to match. It was cheaper to buy than refurbish this old one. Figure with 2 or 3 parts like a game card, processor, motherboard and for a few more coin it was better just to tool-up new.

Win8 is not that bad. About a handful of shortcut keys and you're off to the races. No skips this time around with the camera downloads. Obviously the speed is faster. The R forced me to freshen up from top to bottom. I think now I'm current, caught up with 18 months worth of 8 years worth of sitting in front of that thing! '$low a man has go to have his limitations.'

I've been watching how to make your own 'steady cam.' I'm going to attempt to meguyveer one up on my own. The timing window mount is still on the waiting list... Which one comes first?



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RE: GoPro vs. Camcorder vs. Camera
07/25/13 7:31 PM

"Like trading in a ZX-11 for a 14R".

Yup...congrats...!Sounds like ya got a really good setup...nice...happy for ya;)Now...some VIDS Hubster...some VIDS!;)


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RE: GoPro vs. Camcorder vs. Camera
07/25/13 9:54 PM

I came in from the garage and ran practically all the settings. 760 seems to be the way to go. I had the mic on but I spoke too softly on the boom mic. So from conjuring up som elaborate camera hanger, all I have to do is glue a factory mount on the cover and I'm good to go. Just gotta figure out a timing light mount and I'm almost ready for some burnouts, wet skids, stone slides, carrying the wheel over intersections, then hacks, etc.



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RE: GoPro vs. Camcorder vs. Camera
07/26/13 1:50 AM

Well cool then!...I bought an external mic for mine...just fer shits and giggles.Gonna see how she works hooked up to the pitchforks;)Couldn't get decent sound out of any of the 'back doors" I have.One vid...came out really well...but I forgot which door I was using .Or where exactly the cam was seated on the fairing.IDK...I modded some of the housing(s)...so they aren't stock.You know..trying different stuff.I have some extra bits if ya need em....let me know.


"timing light mount"..I've NO idea now what yer talkin about


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RE: GoPro vs. Camcorder vs. Camera
07/27/13 11:55 PM

Thanks for the spares offer, but I think I overbought. Ah, I'm breaking bank this month. Went out and bought 2 closeout helmets and more gopro parts. This time it was surf parts. I'm now in the process of making a 'steady cam.' You know how you start out with something and you are a semi-hoarder type? Where the semis differentiate hoarders [in that] the semis use up parts, not collect and let it collect on top of each other?

This is where I find the lawn sprinkler parts, the other crap hanging around along with a few special parts and I'm off to build a one 'weight specific-ultra light' DIY of the camera steady.

"timing light mount"..I've NO idea now what yer talkin about

This is where I watch each curve in either F-1 or turn down to L-off.



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