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Created on: 10/31/14 06:54 PM

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RE: Evo Shift Star???
11/23/14 6:04 PM

Of course.
Ordered from the US so there'll be a bit of shipping time but once its here and installed I will report...

Enjoy the cool break ;)



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RE: Evo Shift Star???
11/23/14 9:16 PM

huh-ha.

thanks.


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RE: Evo Shift Star???
12/10/14 1:54 AM

Just arrived but won't be installing myself.
Will get it done and advise...



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RE: Evo Shift Star???
12/10/14 7:43 AM

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RE: Evo Shift Star???
12/10/14 8:12 AM

can't wait. Will be good to hear the opinion of someone who can try the bike before and after (unlike those of us in colder climes).



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RE: Evo Shift Star???
12/10/14 9:26 PM

"try the bike before and after (unlike those of us in colder climes)"...whattaya mean...'unlike some of us'...oh yeah...shit...I forgot...you don't have abs on yours. OR KTRCLOL!!!


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RE: Evo Shift Star???
12/11/14 3:51 AM

The roads are just a little wet here. All I need is an anti-salt forcefield and I could be riding.



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RE: Evo Shift Star???
12/19/14 3:04 AM

Evo shift star now installed.
Rook, just get one.
Makes a pretty big difference.
Very pleased.



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RE: Evo Shift Star???
12/19/14 7:46 AM

ALRIGHT!! I'll do it.

"pretty big difference" as in "not bad...noticeable" or "a lot better"???

Did you have to replace any gasket on the clutch cover?



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RE: Evo Shift Star???
12/19/14 8:24 AM

New clutch cover gasket came with kit so it was replaced.
I have only ridden home from the mechanics so far but it's enough of an improvement to recommend it.
Much smoother direct shifts in my opinion.
Works a treat with the quickshifter (what settings did you end up with on your HM Plus Rook?).
A modification I'm very happy with...


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RE: Evo Shift Star???
12/19/14 3:10 PM

The sensitivity is on 50% and the kill is set at 60. I haven't played around with kill time much yet. I've tried a lot less sensitivity and an lot more. I can tell a definite difference but it doesn't seem to make missing a shift any less likely either way. That probably has more to do with how firmly the pedal is shifted. Reducing sensitivity to the lowest setting still doesn't seem to compensate for a weak shift. I think the Evo and GP shift pattern will help me a lot.



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RE: Evo Shift Star???
12/19/14 8:59 PM

Well I just got back from a ride and I can tell you that the Evo shift star installed in my bike is a very good thing.
Feels almost like an R1 or GSXR.
Much smoother. Much more enjoyable.
However I did also add Motul 300V oil at the same time so I am not sure how much that also contributed.
But over all, A+.



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RE: Evo Shift Star???
12/19/14 10:00 PM

Great. I can't wait to test it out. Thanks for the review.



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RE: Evo Shift Star???
12/27/14 2:05 AM

Another ride today.
I am so impressed with the new Motul 300 / Evo shift star combination.
Except for the standard N to 1st clunk, my gearbox is now like butter!



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RE: Evo Shift Star???
07/03/17 9:10 PM

I just got the shifting mechanism back together and after testing, looks like I have a problem. Transmission in second gear, will not shift down to 1st. Shifts halfway to third!!

What gear is this in?? This is 2nd gear, correct?

2nd gear, will not shift down. I push down on pedal but feels like that is the end of the line, feels like I'm in 1st gear, no more gears down---at least that's how it feels. Push down--solid stop, no shift.

...but it will shift up. Pull up on pedal hear a nice click---wait it's not supposed to shift from 2nd gear to third unless the motor is running! WTF? Go have a look and here's what I see. Seems like it tried to go to third but won't go all the way in.

Back to the shift pedal side. pedal pulls up but won't go to third. Fine, it's not supposed to go to third. Shift down and it goes back to 2nd nice and smooth. Notice the claws are retracted. Still able to contact the pins on the shift star though.

Push down again, still will not go to 1st. It will click up halfway into third like before.

Won't go to first, can't get to N.

I did try rolling the tire a bit until I heard a little click in there but that did not change the shift to N or 1 from 2nd gear.

I'm cornfused.



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RE: Evo Shift Star???
07/04/17 9:56 AM

This problem is real. What I do when the bike is all in one piece and won't go into gear is roll the bike forward 7 or eight inches while operating the shift lever. Then it goes into 1-N-2 if it won't engage standing in one spot. The clutch is out now and I rolled the rear wheel a few times on the stand but it makes no difference. The situation is unchanged. Shifts up from 2nd but star does not fully engage third. Shifts back down to 2nd. Will not shift down to N or 1.

Any help at all on this much appreciated. I'm doing a web search and emailing Factory-Pro.


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RE: Evo Shift Star???
07/04/17 10:07 AM

Did you remove that spring right there?(the black one).

"I just got the shifting mechanism back together and after testing, looks like I have a problem. Transmission in second gear, will not shift down to 1st. Shifts halfway to third!!"...'halfway to third'...that sounds like a shift from 1st to second."halfway' being,N?Did you try rolling(on a stand)the rear wheel when it 'goes halfway'.I'm curious here...how do you know what gear it's in just by looking?Forgive me if I sound 'uninformed' about the gear change patterns and such.I didn't try to switch gears or anything when I did mineThat is until I finished and had the lever back on).Dropped it into 1st,and pulled the shaft.Put the star in the same position,as I said.


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RE: Evo Shift Star???
07/04/17 10:33 AM

The little skinny wire on the claw? No. All that does is return the claw to full extension. I believe the claw is moving in and out without sticking now that I have shifted a few times and spread a little oil. The claw is all the way out and it won't shift down. Pretty sure it should still shift even if that claw is retracted...but it isn't so not an issue. Feels like the shift mechanism is all the way down. You know, you end up at a stop light in 5th gear and you shift down repeatedly click , click , click. When you come to 1 you feel it because the pedal won't go down another notch. That's how this feels...but I'm not in 1.

What's weird is that it shouldn't click up to 3rd, not even halfway but it does. I actually think it's going into 3rd by the sound but the gear position arm wheel is not dropping between the lobes like it should.

There should be a click down to N and then another click down to 1 but the pedal is just stiff. Solid.


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RE: Evo Shift Star???
07/04/17 10:49 AM

Hmmm...I just don't know.Is everything back together?Where you can start it and check how it's doing?You did get that yellow spring in there correctly,right?It's gotta be something simple.Hell...you only pulled the shaft out.Sheesh.Sounds like it's just in another gear.The 'pattern' sounds off to me?I mean,how you're describing what's happening.


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RE: Evo Shift Star???
07/04/17 10:54 AM

Did you try rolling(on a stand)the rear wheel when it 'goes halfway'.

I rolled the wheel and tried shifting up and down but that made no difference. The wheel is not affecting the transmission like it normally would.

how do you know what gear it's in just by looking?

That was my first question. I was not certain either. If somehow I shut the bike down in 6th, I would say that was the problem right there. IT's not going to shift out of 6 until I start the motor.

Looking at the star, you obviously see N where the lobe is rounded in. 1 has to be one side and 2 to the other. Shifting down on the pedal turns the claw downward. Claw down turns star clockwise. Should go to N from where it started in the first pic. Therefore, I assume I am in 2 because you shift down from 2 to get to N. Regardless, it should shift to N if I'm in 1 or two.

My shift drum turned from N to 2 when I broke the shift star bolt free. Turned to N, and then to 1 then to 2 when I tightened it. I removed the star a second time and shifted from N to 2 by turning the shift shaft . It did not shift the second time I torqued it back down, that gear position arm holds it for 96" lbs. It shouldn't shift either--it's in 2nd...but turn the shift shaft and it sure does shift up one even if the star is not going all the way to position.

Can find nothing associated with shift star installation on the web.


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RE: Evo Shift Star???
07/04/17 10:58 AM

I'm out of my level of actual knowledge with this new issue.

Can you manually rotate the shift star/gears until the neutral position light goes on? and work from there


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RE: Evo Shift Star???
07/04/17 10:58 AM

"My shift drum turned from N to 2 when I broke the shift star bolt free. Turned to N, and then to 1 then to 2 when I tightened it. I removed the star a second time and shifted from N to 2 by turning the shift shaft . It did not shift the second time I torqued it back down".Okay...it sounds like it's off a gear.

"Can you manually rotate the shift star until the neutral position light goes on? and work from there"...now THAT sounds like a plan.I'd try that Rook.See exactly where that star's position is.Good call Rudy;)I don't think I'd have thought of that...maybe...but not right away anyhow.I'll remember that if I need to change mine ever again.


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RE: Evo Shift Star???
07/04/17 11:26 AM

Can you manually rotate the shift star/gears until the neutral position light goes on? and work from there

Yes. I just took it out last week because I decided I better put loktite on it like the SM suggests. I know it was in N because it's so damned hard to lift that gear position arm to pull the star if it's up on the lobe in N. So I shifted it to 2---yes grabbed the shift shaft and shifted to where you see it now. SO I know I can shift to N if I turn on that bolt again. So why the hell not with the shift claw? The shift shaft is working. I really shouldn't need to turn on bolts to get the star to move.

There is a dowel pin to position the star. There is no way you can put the star in off a gear. I'm satisfied the bike is most definitely in 2. I may try to manually turn it to N just to see if that gets it back on track. What PITFA! This is the third time I have removed these. I'll wear the damn threads out taking them in and out like this.



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RE: Evo Shift Star???
07/04/17 1:15 PM

Here's what Factory pro suggests:

Turn the transmission shaft.

tried that.

Turn the transmission shaft while preventing the rear wheel from turning.

don't see how that is possible being the bike is ion gear but maybe he means bump the transmission just a bit like when you roll the bike in gear with clutch out. That might jar things into place.

Make sure star is on pin.

it can't NOT be on the pin. It would not fit unless on the pin and I would see it was crooked.

Try loosening the star bolt. Maybe a fork got wedged when tightened.

Maybe but I would think the shifting I've done so far would unwedge it. Same effect as loosening the bolt.

I'll keep everyone posted. I have a feeling I'm on my own from here so I hope one of the above suggestions works.

No mention of possible damage so I guess that maybe sorta is a good thing.


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RE: Evo Shift Star???
07/04/17 2:41 PM

"Try loosening the star bolt. Maybe a fork got wedged when tightened"..did you try this?If it was 'wedging a fork' in there,it might not let loose if it's already tightened.Even with shifting.I looked in the manual...I don't see anything that could get 'wedged' in there.

Okay...I'm looking at your position of the star and the arm.In that pic,the arm is NOT sitting in the correct valley of the star(according to the manual picture)(assuming THAT's N).The smaller valley just above is where the roller bearing on the arm should be sitting.You need to find N...and make sure that arm collar is just like in the manual on the star valley.I'd install the shift lever and use that to change the gears.So I guess when you said.."It 'shifted' into second' or whatever that was,you might need to reset the trans and actually find N...then check the star valley/arm position(THEN,shift down into first and tighten)..That's all I can think of.You'll probably need to rotate the rear to get it to shift down all the way(to) first.It seems right now,there's no real tellin if it's in the right gear or not?If that's even possible?Maybe it's like in fourth or something?It shouldn't even shift up into second(unless the wheel is turning).I think Rudy's onto something with the N light.


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