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Created on: 05/08/17 11:16 AM

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cott1400R



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brand new 2016 dripping oil from hose near shifter
05/08/17 11:16 AM

Just picked up a new 2016, i now have 300 miles on it, on the first leg of our ride was a 60mi stint to meet up with a couple friends, met up and visited for a bit but when i was suiting up i noticed a tuna can sized puddle of oil under my bike, upon further inspection it was dripping from the hose which has the little black bottle/cannister attached to it. I looked online at a shop manual but couldnt find where this hose goes too. once home it left a drop or two on the ground but not as much as the first stop.

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RE: brand new 2016 dripping oil from hose near shifter
05/08/17 11:50 AM

Check the oil level with the bike perfectly level, sounds like its over filled.

Not sure if that drain is from the air box or ?? but I know what you are referring to



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RE: brand new 2016 dripping oil from hose near shifter
05/08/17 1:14 PM

I believe it's called the 'air cleaner drain tank' in the FSM. I'll go with the overfilling theory unless you have a pressurised crankcase problem from some other issue but this is unlikely.

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RE: brand new 2016 dripping oil from hose near shifter
05/08/17 3:41 PM

upon further inspection it was dripping from the hose which has the little black bottle/cannister attached to it.

IDK if the gen2 is the same but the gen1 has two bottles there on the LH side. The lower one with the cap on it is the air box drain-- it drains oil if you over service or if any water should get in there.

on the gen1, the higher up plastic bottle with hose attached to tip is the fuel tank breather.

A tuna can spot is sort of a lot. I bet you are still over full. I would not bother about it yet but you may have an air box wet with oil. It will all drain out eventually but I would plan to check the air filter soon. Oil won't destroy it but if it got wet, that is a few thousand miles of service used up.

Far as I know, some oil in throttle bodies and on T-bodies valves & ducts is normal but the rest of the air box should stay dry. I wouldn't suggest wiping it out. The much of the inside of the air box is rough cast and fibers catch on it pretty easy. I doubt much other harm could come but no sense in chancing obstructing the vacuum balance ports in the T-bodies. If you have oil in your air box, that won't hurt anything and it will drain and dry up completely in time.


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RE: brand new 2016 dripping oil from hose near shifter
05/08/17 3:46 PM

If this was the fuel tank breather, that is not oil, it's factory installed sealant. Usually whitish and goopy, it comes out on a hot day after you park the bike with a hot engine--usually after filling the gas tank too high. Normal and probably will never be seen again.



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RE: brand new 2016 dripping oil from hose near shifter
05/08/17 5:02 PM

yep rook, the 12-up zedx 14R's have two bottles as well, the clear one is attached to the airbox and the black bottle with the house running out of the bottom of it is the one leaking fluid. im hoping its nothing major. Like you said im hoping its the fuel overflow

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RE: brand new 2016 dripping oil from hose near shifter
05/08/17 5:22 PM

I had the same thing the first summer, especially parked outside at work in sunlight. It still does this once in a while, and I can assure you 100% my oil is not overfilled.

No real solution, mostly probably residue/vapors from manufacture. It might be possible to flush the hoses out or something but I wouldn't worry about it other than being a little embarrasing.

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RE: brand new 2016 dripping oil from hose near shifter
05/09/17 4:47 PM

It's like your bike has a little case of gonorrhea. Give it lots of gas and keep it hot. It will clear up and nobody will ever know.



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RE: brand new 2016 dripping oil from hose near shifter
05/09/17 7:41 PM

Okay...probably not,BUT...have you 'raced' this motor?By that I mean been hard on it with throttle?This can occur when the motor is run hard for several times close together.I know.I did this.It doesn't have to be..'engine damaging run hard"...but rapid high throttle inputs for sustained times...maybe a mile at a time.Could be less.Brock Davidson had this happen...on the drag strip.So it does occur.If it was overfilled,that could also cause this.IF your vertical sitting bike is showing ABOVE the upper level line now...since it drained some out...you have an overfilled engine.If that's the case,personally,I'd drain a small amount out,then add if needed.Rather than ride her like that.
Question...did you change oil and filter in this 300 miles.You MAY have accidently added too much.It wasn't leaking out the day you got home(first ride)was it?Simple mistake.I doubt anyone here(not that it matters)is gonna think yer stupid if that's what happened.


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RE: brand new 2016 dripping oil from hose near shifter
05/09/17 8:16 PM

Sounds more like a case of her peas.



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cott1400R



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RE: brand new 2016 dripping oil from hose near shifter
05/09/17 8:44 PM

Nope i havn't "raced" or been hard on the motor, i dont do kawi's 4000rpm break in but not far from it, i vary the rpm's up to 5000/5500rpm the 1st 500mi then will start running it up to 7000/7500rpm from 500-1000mi. Heck even after break in i dont run them hard. I had my pop check the oil with me sitting on it once i spotted the puddle, it is filled above the full line, i am going to drain some off beings i dont do my 1st oil changes until 600mi. Its def a watery oily fluid it puts down though. im going to drain off some oil regardless though

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RE: brand new 2016 dripping oil from hose near shifter
05/09/17 8:57 PM

Hub says to give er a shot in the rear..



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RE: brand new 2016 dripping oil from hose near shifter
05/09/17 11:19 PM

All joking aside cott1400r, I broke mine in almost exactly like you, and since Sept. and 6500 mi. later, getting stronger and stronger. Sounds like the dealer overfilled. I would go ahead and do the first change myself so you know exactly how much is going in. 600 isn't written in stone, sooner better than later imo.



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RE: brand new 2016 dripping oil from hose near shifter
05/10/17 12:34 AM

My 2013...about the same.All my bikes actually(I've had).I also believe even at 5k as mentioned(6.5 or so)...she was also getting stronger.I think it does take some time for EVERYTHING to like totally mesh.Mine have run flawlessly breaking in just like that.

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RE: brand new 2016 dripping oil from hose near shifter
05/10/17 4:30 AM

Dealers don't fill the oil, they are factory filled with the break in oil. The break in oil is difficult to see, and the bike tipped just slightly one way or the other will significantly alter how high or low the oil level appears. Kind of makes me wonder if sitting on it isn's enough to throw the oil level off.

I'm not sure it matters (the sitting on it) but I don't believe that's how you're supposed to check the oil. The same method you use for moving the bike like aorund the garage is the same method for "lifting" the bike to check the oil. Once it's lifted, the bikes basically balancing itself all you have to do is keep a hand on the bar to hold it there. Look down, and you can see the oil level. Keep a flashlight in your left pocket just incase you need it. I know it seems like a lot to do, and it might take a little practice to get comfortable (never get too comfortable).

When you've checked the oil, keeping the bike balanced with your right hand put your flashlight away or whatever and gently set it back on the side stand. I think I genearlly use the left hand on seat and right hand on throttle/bar and set her over.

If you're not familair with balancing a bike have someone there to spot you. But they need to be hands on just like a weight spotter. If you just aren't good at this sort of thing, I suggest having a friend or dad around when you check the oil just to help out.

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RE: brand new 2016 dripping oil from hose near shifter
05/10/17 8:37 AM

I grab a knee on the right side...grab right bar and brake lever(with right hand).Ease the bike to the vertical.Check level.I hold the brake so the bike won't 'move' forward or anything when returning it to it's kickstand.


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RE: brand new 2016 dripping oil from hose near shifter
05/10/17 9:18 AM

Yep, Vic is right. Dealer ufckup. There's a level the bike will have in a pressure-bump way. I broke the bike in hard which if you think about it, was more an idea for cast iron cylinders. These are silicone/aluminum based finishes. I wonder if the book way is more the new finish break-in. Who knows? So when the oil level dropped way before it was time to change it (3k intervals); I felt a drop in power. For some reason I checked the oil first, found nothing in the window, and that's when adding more or up to the middle window level or a touch less, the crankcase pressure-bump; brought back that which I was familiar with.

And when I heard two road race endurance car drivers being interviewed, one mentioned adjusting the crankcase pressure, then they both looked at each other and laughed. So I guess the car guys already know about this. I learned about it walking out to the bike and noticing something different on the next ride out on it, her peas were too much out of the can.



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RE: brand new 2016 dripping oil from hose near shifter
05/10/17 9:26 AM

Dealers don't fill the oil, they are factory filled with the break in oil. The break in oil is difficult to see, and the bike tipped just slightly one way or the other will significantly alter how high or low the oil level appears. Kind of makes me wonder if sitting on it isn's enough to throw the oil level off.

Check oil always:

Same spot on same floor
hold bike balanced at vertical
and most importantly CHECK OIL COLD----never hot. not warm. Cold is bike has not run for at least 6 hours. It is not possible to check oil level right after you change oil.



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RE: brand new 2016 dripping oil from hose near shifter
05/10/17 10:10 AM

In the paraphrase...
Owner's Manual-maintenance-Engine oil: 'If you just got off the bike, wait a few minutes for the oil to settle out. Level should be in between the upper and lower marks seen over to the left of the window.'

I read that as; I have the bike running as hot as it will be if I took it for a 20 minute loop or a 1 hour ride. I'm going to wait for that [hot] like water, flow from the top end> like an open faucet, right?

If say you had a hot running engine, set the level, now park it and check cold in the morning. Where are we level wise? Then, that's where I'd set it cold once the filter has its initial startup.

But for a new owner, back to book hot.



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RE: brand new 2016 dripping oil from hose near shifter
05/10/17 12:39 PM

"I broke the bike in hard"..."For some reason I checked the oil first, found nothing in the window"...a correllation hmmm?

By the book I says.I don't have any oil burning with mine.None of em.When the manual said..'you may very well have a broken down bike in few 1k miles' I took that seriously.I mentioned(and someone else did also in another thread)that I felt the engine was STILL breaking in well above that 1K factory setpoint.Well close to 6k.Sounds silly I know...but I definitely could feel the motor picking up power.And smoothness.It wasn't because I 'wanted' it to.I simply remember that feeling one day.Ran the same ever since.I don't believe it was brought on by 'wishful thinking' or somehow thinking it would,so like 'expecting' it.It WAS noticeable.

Also...the dealer does NOT fill the oil when they recieve it.It's done preshipped from Kawi.I wouldn't be upset with your dealer...ALTHOUGH...it should have been run and then checked before you got her.But it sounds like all's good.Enjoy man.Great bike(s).

And yes..that line is in the airbox.In case you ride through a rainstorm or something.Located at the rear right corner(or left..can't remember just now) of the airbox inside there.It'll drain out to that clearish bottle.


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RE: brand new 2016 dripping oil from hose near shifter
05/10/17 1:39 PM

Had the same issue with my 2014 14 . Had the dealer look at it. They pulled off the left sided body work and couldn't see any problem. Mine seemed to also be dripping out the black hose. Anyway it appears to have stopped for some reason. My vote is for the over filling cause.


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RE: brand new 2016 dripping oil from hose near shifter
05/10/17 2:28 PM

Yeah, my bad on stating the dealer overfilled it...what I should of said is, the dealer should of checked it during pre-delivery inspection.



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RE: brand new 2016 dripping oil from hose near shifter
05/10/17 3:52 PM

They MAY have...and added some.I kNOW it's on their checklist...I've seen it.Cott...you should have gotten a copy of that list...for your records.With your paperwork(if any).


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RE: brand new 2016 dripping oil from hose near shifter
05/10/17 4:16 PM

I wouldn't put anything past a dealer fucking up. Just saying it's really important to know 100% the oils filled correctly or not.

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RE: brand new 2016 dripping oil from hose near shifter
05/10/17 5:53 PM

I doubt most dealerships waste time on such trivial matters. Dealer prep is just a way to make an easy $100.



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