Tiny And Light Just Like Dubious Promised

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cool romans now put that sucker in there and see if she fires up lol let us know how u put that tiny thing in that big battery box and get it to stay still. hey maybe you could invent the speedcell adaptor tray and make millions lol

* Last updated by: scottjkyl on 3/4/2010 @ 4:56 PM *

I'm scared to, lol. I have seen flash lights with bigger batteries. I also picked up some Ceramic Wheel bearings for those Marchesini Rims(I guess I'm keeping them). I'm hoping to knock another 22lbs off the big girls Fat ass LOL. Now If I could only do the same.

C'mon Rome-we want an UPDATE!!!!Nice battery BTW.MAYBE?????????????????????????????????..............

* Last updated by: blue07 on 3/4/2010 @ 10:59 PM *

Well Rome-guess this is a case of"you first" with this deal here.I've gone and ordered one as well!!!Cheers!My man!BTW...did we ever decide WHEN we were gonna do that Alp Run with the Roller Skate deals?

* Last updated by: blue07 on 3/5/2010 @ 4:34 AM *

WHEN we were gonna do that Alp Run with the Roller Skate deals?

LoL, I rode a horse once and I mean once. The horse was a barrel runner. The mare just had a colt a year prior to this. WELLLLLLL, the colt cried for mom when I was a half mile from the barn. That's when I became a passenger as this freaking beast of a horse took off with me on the back and jumped a fence onto the street, slipping and sliding on the pavement as she headed for Home. I can't remember ever being more scared in my whole life. Sooooooo what I learned from this was, If it has no Brakes ...I will Gladly revoke my Man card. TAP TAP TAP, You win. I'm out. Click Here, You First

* Last updated by: Romans on 3/5/2010 @ 6:59 PM *

Friggin story!.....You won't believe this Rome....mine wasn't a mare or whatever"barrel racer"....but it did almost EXACTLY what yours did-minus the asphalt and jump.Scared the Sh&% outta me yep-ran full bore for at least a quarter mile!(seemed like a lot longer!)Back to the stable.I wasn't very old.It was a LONG TIME before I ever considered gettin back on one!Unbelieveable!!

* Last updated by: blue07 on 3/5/2010 @ 10:20 PM *

that battery will run your bike no problem... as for mounting I haven't had a stock battery in mine for a while, but I do know there is holes in the floor of the compartment, you could use elctrical tie wraps to hold it down, or even strap it into the stock battery tray, if you want to clean it up, tin snips cut the plastic nice clean and quick, just be careful around the corners so it doesn't split. Sokme bikes I lie it down on its back and put a twist in the stock battery strap to tighten it up and that works.

Dubious any pictures ? I thinking was thinking that tie wraps become hard and brittle over time. Tie wraps with a small dab of silicone maybe(just in case they break) All ideas are welcome. It is currently -2 cell, supposed to be above freezing today. If the wife leaves me alone maybe I can play Lol.Thanks for the input above. Cheers.

And The Winner Is ? The install took roughly a hour just because I was trying 4 or 5 diff ways to tie the battery in place. Finally ended up with two tie wraps holding the battery down and one more around the battery to stop it from moving from side to side. Also two small dabs of silicone on the bottom to complete the mounting of this little beauty. The only real issue I had was with the positive connector from the factory wiring. This had to be trimmed for the bolt to line up properly in the new batteries positive terminal. No biggie. All in all it was quite easy. The only other thing I should note is, I did not charge this battery prior to the install. The bike did start, but not instantly and gave me a bit of a scare. I rode the bike for 60 miles to make sure the battery had taken a charge, then I tested it repeatedly. Bike Hot, with all the lights on and the bikes fan running using only the kill switch, the bike was turned off and then restarted ten times. The temp here was 4 cell or 40F and the battery performed perfectly. Cheers

* Last updated by: bgordon on 3/8/2010 @ 7:48 AM *

Got home from work today and gave the starter a push..... The bike started, but if I had to say she turned over the same as the old battery did, the answer would have to be No. I now have the battery on a trickle charge. Dubious, should I have bought the next size up? The temp in my garage was 11C or 54F...... When the bike was hot she started fine, now the starter is lazy and is losing my confidence.

* Last updated by: Romans on 3/8/2010 @ 6:21 PM *

Hey Rick.
This is the first i have heard of this issue at over 10C.
Do you ride at temps around 10C?

I will speak with the manufacture, and if its an issue we can trade you up.
I will get back to you.
what weight oil?
are you using any ignition advancer?
is the hot idle set at 1100 rpm?

if you runa PC3, reset / rezero the throttle position every oil change.
Its a good practice irregardless, as the cable stretches and the tps moves, causing your fuling to be off and performance drop.

Just some idea's, as I never had this problem before on stock motor, stock compression.

Try turning the ignition on, and lights on for 30 seconds before cranking the motor.

* Last updated by: dubious on 3/9/2010 @ 5:51 PM *

Do you ride at temps around 10C?

what weight oil?

are you using any ignition advancer?

is the hot idle set at 1100 rpm?

if you runa PC3, reset / rezero the throttle position every oil change.

When I Took the bike off charger, read 14.4 volts on the Fluke Meter. Three hours after, down to 13.6 which I know is Normal. When turning over the starter, my voltage drop was below 9 volts. I have not measured what a stock battery voltage drop is on start up so I nothing to compare just yet, but I thought we should stay at least 12v ?. When bike warms up there is no issue. If I had to guess,I would say the starter is turning at 1/3 less in rpm, give or take. This is when bike is cold. The bike is now back together. I will test again tomorrow. I hope it's just temp.

First I want to state that I will exchange the battery if the customer is not satisfied. No questions asked.
as long as it is in as new condition, nor scratched or beat up, or damaged in any way.

If you are advancing the timing at idle up, say +4 degree's across the board therein lies part of the problem.

Not to sound like an asshole but...
If you froze your balls, what is the point of needing to start the bike?
If you don't intend to ride the bike at those temps, then why test it there?
I think I did state it gets lazy and is not appropriate for use near freezing temps.

again, I want every customer to be satisfied and will exchange the battery for a larger one, and eat the the extra shipping

Here is a quote from the manufacturer:

"At 50F the battery will need to warm a bit, the first pulse will be the
worse. A 5 second pulse followed by a 15ish second rest then repulse.
Doesn't hurt the batteries but they self heat and as they come up in
temperature the power increases. Different than a lead acid, that first
pulse at low temp is the least powerful and gets better the more you use
it. "

as I stated, they need to be warmed up a little below room temps, or if cold.

These are a performance oriented part, not to replace the stock battery for freezing temperatures, or weather that I would call Canadian winter rides! :D

Let me know what you decide. Rick we will get it sorted. You will be satisfied.

for the others:
I would appreciate it if people would email me.
Not PM, or forum mail. I can not respond to those, and do not get notifications.
I have a blackberry and at least have an opportunity to help you then.

Thank you.

Well...I charged mine up tonight-made a special little "holder" of seat foam-reinstalled.Recharged.Removed charger.Now I'll see if she works okay within the next couple of days-I'm going to let er sit without the tender on er.It's 40F in my garage right now.But that will most likely go up in the next few days.I did turn the key on(to make sure she was hooked up okay with no surprises)when I first installed after the first charge(took around 6 hours to fully top out).Volts-13.4.Looked okay to me.I'm feelin good about this mod-thanks Dubious!Perfect fit in there and no muss no fuss.

* Last updated by: blue07 on 3/10/2010 @ 1:04 AM *

Not to sound like an asshole but...
If you froze your balls, what is the point of needing to start the bike?
If you don't intend to ride the bike at those temps, then why test it there?
I think I did state it gets lazy and is not appropriate for use near freezing temps.

Dubious, I only road the bike to charge the battery, believe me I did not want to. I was scared to shut it off in case it did not start again. The battery was stored in the house and from the house into the bike and then started. After I pushed the start button......that's when I figured I should take for a ride. I'm just getting bike ready for summer. All is good, I'm not complaining and I will give the battery a chance to prove itself. I am currently in no position to past judgement on this little Gem. Time has a way of doing that.

I charged mine up tonight-

I skipped that step. Maybe what happened ? My bad.

Thanks for the patience, all I ask is for everyone to read my instructions before buying, and if you already bought read the instructions below and be resonable.

I think you will be satisfied if it is tested and used at the temps you normally ride at, and for most i think thats around 60F or warmer. I have used on on my Vmax, and started the bike aband shut it off about 30 times in 2 days tuning carbs and and trying to balance them with the vboost removed... many many times rejetting to remove the stumble.

I also was tuning my friends Bazzaz on the 08 zx10, the black one, and same thing many times and up to 30 minutes no charge, with headlights on adjusting map, and rebooting map, then 2 minute ride to tune bottom end response. The bike never had a charger on it, never ran long enough to charge, and it was never an issue.

I have sold about 30 of the speedcells last year, and now atleast that many of these, and this is the first complaint or issue.

I was very adimant about how it got lazy when cold, and you need to put a draw on it so the battery will warm up, not enough to kill it warming it, but enough to warm it, then crank.

If you crank 5 seconds wait 15, then 5 seconds again, wait 15 then crank, the battery will perform better later than sooner when cold.
Unlike a lead acid battery that gets weaker, this actually gets stronger. Do not crank it until its dead. lay off the button, and let it warm up after putting a small draw on it, with pause between cranking

from the manufacture:
"At 50F the battery will need to warm a bit, the first pulse will be the
worse. A 5 second pulse followed by a 15ish second rest then repulse.
Doesn't hurt the batteries but they self heat and as they come up in
temperature the power increases. Different than a lead acid, that first
pulse at low temp is the least powerful and gets better the more you use
it. "

Also, I would recommend an automotive charger like a 10-20 A, if it is an automatic one, that reduces the charge whent he battery is near full, I use a 50A charge!
YES 50 AMPS!
These batteries respond better to a real good charge.
My automatic charger goes to 50A for about 2 minutes, then 20 amps for 5 , and then the battery is full!
Unlike the old lead acids, these will not boil at 10 amps, and will handle well over 1000 complete discharge cycles.... a lead acid is usually done after about 5 of those.

Once everyone realises that it is a different animal, and forget the old ways of handling your old battery, it will be better.
These batteries do not work as well in cold as lead acid, and thus I do not sell them for use in snowmobiles, and atv's.

Thanks
Lyle

* Last updated by: dubious on 3/10/2010 @ 9:26 AM *

The bike never had a charger on it, never ran long enough to charge, and it was never an issue.

Did You charge the battery prior to install the very first time ? As I reported, I did not. My battery temp would have been 72F as it came from inside the house. My bike tempeture would have been 54F as it is Stored in the garage.

These batteries respond better to a real good charge.

A real good charge is now in the battery. I'm sure it will be fine when things warm up. It's only 8C here so not a good time to test. I can if you want ? Dubious Sounds like my buddies also want these batteries, so if these work for you, they will work for us. Maybe Blue is having warmer whether. Cheers

Sounds good Rick.
all of the tuning i did on the zx10 with a 5A, was about 10-15C. I really have not much experience with them below those temps.
The bigger battery 7.5 would still get lazy, but with about 30% more power at any given time.
Then thats another ~$70, and also 30% heavier and 30% larger.

If i get complaints of the 5A, then I will just refuse to sell them for anything bigger than a 750, and then the headaches go away.
The time invested plus shipping back and forth and ANY negative feedback, those are all things I do not want to be associated with.
I want happpy customers, and no headaches.

Hopefully it will all work out.

My own experience with the smallest 2.5 A that was suposed to be good for 500 cc bikes was laughable.
My KTM 505 has major compression and its a big 477 cc single, I could hear the revolutions slow on the compression stroke. I ended up needing a 5A for it. I killed the 2.5 first attempt.
Other than that, this really is the first negative feedback or experience I have gotten.

I want happpy customers, and no headaches.

dont sell one to Kruz then...lol

* Last updated by: scottjkyl on 3/10/2010 @ 12:06 PM *

SCOTT-was' up Bro!Good one!LOL.He's gonna be happy to read that post alright!Okay-I can wait NO LONGER-I'm going out right now and see if my bike will start-brb.Okay-she started-a bit dicey there at first-wasn't cranking as the stock battery does.Turned her off.Key on,hit starter-cranked S L O W L Y.....then fired.It's 40 degrees in my garage.Gonna now try it again-brb.Okay-now I'm not sure WHAT to do.She cranked,somewhat slowly-but now she won't fire up totally.Backfiring and NOT starting.Now this is from sitting-okay.I'm gonna put the tender on er and give er another go later.I'm not concerned actually.If she operates okay after charging while sitting or running-I'm good with that-the weight savings is what I really was getting it for.Long as it performs comparably to the stocker-it's cool.However-if she leaves me stranded or fails to fire my bike(hold a charge while running)it's BYE BYE battery!Course I won't know that until..................

* Last updated by: blue07 on 3/10/2010 @ 12:44 PM *

Okay-here's the deal.I see that doing it as Lyle said works fine.After about 4 cycles of 15 seconds or so(cranking for about 3,4 seconds each),the voltage at startup climbed from 10.5 to 13.1-plenty to fire my engine.So it's okay.I'm leaving it in.In warmer weather-she should do just fine-even if she doesn't start right up on the first try(which it most likely will).I'm cool with that.

* Last updated by: blue07 on 3/10/2010 @ 1:08 PM *

Good news!
Thanks!

"New Battery" review here.First off-I'm gonna thank Lyle for offering a sweet product.My battery is performing EXCELLENTLY(started up first time cranking today-a tad "slower" than the stock one,just barely).Riding today-45 degrees out,she was showing a display voltage of 14.5.Dipped a couple of times while cruising,but never dropped lower than 13.8.I stopped after about an 80 mile stretch.Took a break.Time to go-turned the key-No hesitation whatsoever-cranked perfectly-fired right up.I'm stoked with it.Very good mod IMO.I'm leaving it OFF the charger tonight,and will fire it up again tomorrow sometime.It is performing exactly as promised.Plenty of pop-and the temp deal is right on-once warmed up,it cranks better than ever!No regrets here.Worth every dime IMO.Thanks again Lyle!

* Last updated by: blue07 on 3/11/2010 @ 7:11 PM *