Prime Minister Trudeau's decree to accept all immigrants denied entrance to the US is a slap in the face to to the your neighbor to the south. Do you have a surplus of jobs up there because if you do, I want in on your country, Canada. I hold two bachelors degrees and things are tough down here in the USA. We have some hope of earning some respect back from the world but your leader is making that a joke. I call upon you to speak UP! No country needs more citizens or non citizens unless it's some godawful hole in the earth where no one wants to be. i hope to god North America unites on this. You don't see Mexico jumping on the immigration bandwagon. Why? --- nobody wants to go there because they won't be able to get into the GD United States!

The pretty young yoga boy has been quiet after terrorists in his gun free zone killed 6 of his citizens - wonder why?

That was just a shade away from terrorism. There was a political motive but no real organization involved who might present the threat of additional attacks. I call it a mass murder. Not that I'm saying death by a murderer is somehow less bad than death by a terrorist but terrorists kill and cause a very reasonable fear of more killing.

Personally I am most concerned about the economic and social threat caused by immigration than i am terrorism. I do not believe there are enough terrorists and criminals among them that we need to start worrying about getting killed in large numbers. We're a lot more likely to get killed in a mass shooting by some domestic nutjob. Who worries about that?

The countries selected for increased immigration restriction were apparently chosen by the Obama administration well in advance of Trump taking office. There has never been a terrorist attack originating from any of these countries. All 19 9-11 terrorists came from Saudi Arabia. Saudi Arabia is not on the list. United Arab Emirates is not on the list.

I'm for stopping all immigration from any country to the US because it is not helpful to our country in any way. We have enough of our own problems that are even worse than terrorism. It's high time we start looking out for #1.

Here we go again.... The countries Drump DIDN'T include in his ban he has business interests in. Coincidence? I think not. This action will most likely make things much worse, it solves nothing, accomplished nothing. If you are so afraid of an immigrant taking your Bachelor degree jobs then maybe your bachelor degree is in the wrong field. This blaming the "Other" for everything wrong is a sign of weakness. We are better than that.

Mad

I think it's a good move.I mean...what's the rush?It's only 6 months anyhow.They'll get it sorted.I'm all for letting 'safe' people in...but temporarily 'stopping' things is okay.Besides,it SHOULD be looked into again by this administration...how things are working under Obama.Lots of messed up agendas during his Admin,sorry to say.

Trump said he's giving the people back their country...okay...well,LOTS of people still fear and are concerned about another 9/11 or other horror.They have a voice as well.Lots of countries are doing what they can to help refugees and such.It isn't just up to us here to solve the world's problems.I say let others help as well.We have a right to put the brakes on and be cautious.Almost everyone knows by now the Islamic creedo...one religion,or death to the 'infidels'.I mean...that's basically it.I have nothing against Muslims.Assimilated Muslims.People who LOVE this country and would defend it to the death.There are many Muslims that feel this way.If others don't want to be American,they should just go back...yes?Or not come here to begin with.All other cultures here assimilate.That's the way it's done.Nothing wrong with that.Jews worship how they choose...without killing anyone.Christians the same...and many others.Muslims can do this also...and still have their 'religion'.The hate speech has to go..from any of em though.Including Christians.

The only problem I don't know how to 'resolve' in the Islamic Teachings is this 'command' to MAKE everyone outside of Islam convert,or be killed or enslaved.I don't know how you can get around this 'commandment'.That to me is the BIG problem.To be a 'good' Muslim,one HAS to follow this idea..so it just won't work(here).I mean,this teaching completely puts any 'peaceful moderate' Muslim in a terrible place 'spiritually'.If those teachings weren't there,we wouldn't be HERE(on the world stage)now.It's terrible.Muslims killing Muslims over what?And other innocent victims of terror(in the name of 'allah').

"Thou shalt not kill"...that's the ultimate command...bedrock of Christ and Christianity.First thing commanded...or close to it.Top ten anyway;)

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bumpfire, exactly! A politician following up on campaign promises, what's next!

Had about two paragraphs written, but decided to just sum it up.......

FUCK Mexico.

I'd have no problem putting buses on the Mexican border with free rides to Canada,
not a bad idea, ship them all to Canada. Problem solved.

I can only see this country going forward.We needed a Trump.He said things were gonna change...now he's doing it.Very cool.

All my respect for Trump and no respect for virtue signaling politicians who show no sympathy for their own citizens. Is there anyone here still watching mainstream news cnn, msnbc, etc. Those news channels along with hollywood are inciting low information people to protest and cause violence.

This video is often cited as an example of why immigration of refugees just does not work for anyone. The key is that only a minuscule number of refugees are being rescued even if you upped the number a hundred fold. Also, the refugees who are generally accepted here have been the best educated and most financially well off of those in their country who would require refugee status. They owned homes and are qualified for decent jobs. They're the ones most able to improve whatever country they are fleeing and most likely to compete with middle class America.

I don't know why the countries more likely to be origins of terrorists were not chosen instead of the ones Obama picked. I don't think there should be a list. There should simply be a ban on all immigration. Maybe I'm misunderstanding this but to me, it seems the days of opening the door to immigration was based on the economic need and ability to support more citizens. That's not the truth anymore and has not been for a very long time.

Also, immigrants of the past were mostly Europeans migrating to a Eurocentric New World. There were huge social conflicts between them. I don't want to conduct a social experiment by creating a competitively large Middle Eastern population among our current Western values dominant population any more than I want to test biological weapons here. I know that sounds racist or elitist or something like that but i see it as preserving the values of my country. Yes, i know, someone will bring up Native Americans. I don't want to let what happened to their culture happen to ours.

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Good video, btw. Trump made a call to saudis and negotiated a safe place for syrian refugees just before the spring stampede into europe can erupt. My stepfather, who emigrated from russia came to usa in his mid 40's started a shoe repair shop where he worked deligently for over 30 yrs. He was always supportive of republican party but died before trump got elected - RIP.

RIP nana Nova.

Trump made a call to saudis and negotiated a safe place for syrian refugees just before the spring stampede into europe can erupt.

I might have to ask Rook to start a Californias---STAND UP AND SCREAM thread next. Our Gov Moonbeam and the Libs in the state want to create a sanctuary state now. Apparently the Sanctuary cities of LA and San Fran only collect about 4M illegal aliens and they want all of the 20M in the USA to move here.

HA! This is a perfect example of why I don't want to see America become overrun with Americans who don't want to be American.

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Assist:

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Thanks Hub...I've forgotten how to frame the embed code?????

GDay Guys, I can't speak too much about whats happening over there because I don't live there and experience what you guys do.
But I can tell you this.
Tony Abbott was a poor Prime Minister but one thing he did which most Australians agreed with was he stopped the illegal immigrant boats. Strong decisions were made and tough actions taken. The do gooders came out in force saying what was happening was morally wrong. The world humanitarian agencies came out saying it was totally unacceptable.
They were all ignored.
Australia did what had to be done to protect its borders.
And the decision has proven to be 100% correct.
Anyone is welcome into Australia that respects the country and follows its laws.
However if you can't adhere to these two basic fundamental principals you are not welcome...

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Yannih....PRECISELY!

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You had the middle correct except the quotation mark.
You had the forward slash at the end, not at the beginning of the closing bracket.
I missed the forward slash in the opening bracket and had to edit by removing it, then all worked.

Alright!Gothca..thanks billions;)Hope you can get out and ride.Still stuck here with ice...not much longer though.

I mean all refugees--all immigration period. 1) There are not enough good jobs to support the people we have here now. 2) Any large group of non Western people are going to want to retain the values of their culture. They won't assimilate if they become the majority. This has happened in cities in the US and Canada and throughout the world. Once they become the majority (and Muslims tend to have a lot of offspring), they can vote whatever they want into law. American culture is then wiped out by attrition.

The assimilation situation is the longterm problem but the economic problem will have an impact as soon as that immigrant steps into our country. The economic problem is caused by an immigrant from Syria or Italy. Makes no dif. We can't use more people in the US.

Not to mention, taking in refugees adds to the problem they are fleeing and even if this were not true, it does nothing to solve it. Check out the gumball video.

I wish I could embed this but if you're socially liberal (as I consider myself to be) you might want to listen to what Bill Mahr has to say about Muslims. I know Muslims and the one's I know are great people but do I want to have huge concentrations of Muslims right fresh out of their Muslim culture inhabiting this country??? Hell no I sure don't. It does not work. You had huge religious tensions in this country between Christiana who all came from Britain when our country first started. Call me a xenophobe but I believe that would be nothing compared to the tensions between large groups of Muslims and non Muslims in our country.

https://www.facebook.com/subjectpolitics/videos/1707420279475525/?pnref=story

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Kind of like the Christians during the Crusades and the Inquisition right bumpfire?

Man some of you guys really like living in your fantasy bubble of how "Things Oughtta Be".

Lets get back to bikes...

Mad

No chance, Mad. This is the Off Topic section!

I believe there is a spectrum of Muslims that ranges good to bad. There are those who follow the Quran to the letter like the terrorists and there are those who take a more casual view of Mohamed's teachings in favor of an enlightened modern existence. I really don't know how many Muslims fall into what part of that spectrum but looking at videos of the riots and NoGo zones, it appears a significant number of them are to the right in terms of expectations for Muslim social conformity. They may not want to kill infidels but they do not want to blend with the culture of the country they have come to. Even the less violent ways of a traditional Muslim culture does not work here. Inequality for women, intolerance of homosexuals, religious subjugation and so forth are not values we hold in this country. If there would be a large enough population of Muslims from the East becoming US citizens, we would have a culture closer to the one they came from. They would vote it that way. They wouldn't have to kill anyone.

...but the main issue to me is the US economy. I don't think any people should be coming to live in the US from outside because it is of no help to the US at all. It helps the fraction of a percent of immigrants who have the means to get here and leaves the worst off back in their country without hope.

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The issue is that companies can't find qualified candidates and as a result they will bring people from foreign countries. The chart below is just people with H1 visa and doesn't include Green card holders or naturalized citizens.

Without engineers from India, China and Korea, the High Tech industry can't go on. It is sad but that is reality. If you go to high tech related PhD courses at major Universities in US including Stanford and Harvard, 60% of students are from foreign countries or with foreign ancestors. Not all immigrants are bad people. These people pay extremely high tuition to universities and H1 workers pay taxes to US government. They have high income and contribute to US economy.