Smokin, agree with C! Way to lay it down, brotha!

Cblast where were you the whole time... u funny.
The 200 mph is just part of the debate not all of it.
Smoking how fast Bobc s gone on the gen1?
How much does he weight? How tall?
What Shane's wife?

I remember seeing on bikeland he went 199.6 or something like that on 1st gen.

Dragking
I know he went 205 on his Gen 1 but that was a 1.5 mile run ..

* Last updated by: Smokinzx14 on 5/26/2013 @ 6:11 PM *

And you'd have to admit Bobc is still smaller than u average Joe while you smoking could be a jockey. Another fact that I mentioned earlier... it seems that euro bike makes way more power. British mag say a zx-14r got 200 HP at the rear wheel. I was reading an interesting article I'll post here when I get home... it says that an 186lbs rider (in normal conditions) I presume needs 196 HP to reach 200 on a bus a, while on a gen1 he would need a little bit more than 202 so I'm not surprise Bobc reached 208 but it also mean he could have reached 200 on a 2008 busa!
*From the pic and because of his speeds on gen1 and gen2 14, I doubt bobc weight more than 190lbs.
Also comparing the numbers with Shane's wife who's lighter... something doesn't add up.
A good exhaust for a 14 r is 2 grand. Show me an american stock 14r hitting 200 with a 186lbs rider and I'll be impressed. i already know that my mods can take a 14R to 200 mph and that's the problem.

Thanks Smokin! Cblast is not going to be happy.
Another euro rider went 200 mph with slip one but I can't remember his name.
Smokin you can probably tell I'm arguing with you. I have a lot of respect for your work and talent. You're milking every once of that machine and use it in an environment that suits it best. It just too tempting when street guys say it's the best performance machine while they've never pushed the bike enough to find out where it fall short.

Dragking what is your point. My god you going after the 14R is starting to get a lil crazy here. Listen kawi decided to IMPROVE their already good bike the ZX14. And what your bashing it every chance you get?? Who the hell cares about 200mph for god sakes. It's just an upgraded bike,like they do with the 1000's every coouple of years,
let it go. It's a slighty better bike with 20 more hp or so and some other improvments. Jesus man are you really that bent out of shape your have the older model or something??? I hate to be a dick but move on,the new 14r HAS 20 MORE horsepower and slight upgrades,god forbib mother kawi tries to improve her brand. So if the mighty bmw 1000rr lets say rebuilds herself ever so slighty and gains 20hp more,lets all say the bike isn't that great and it's all hype. Go reread all your posts,it's time to put this to bed now little boys. No more pee pee measuring contests.

* Last updated by: zx14racer on 5/26/2013 @ 6:32 PM *

Face it drag if my bike and your bike with equal size riders and skill level with the upgrades we both have my bike will simply walk away,i know like i have stated i ride with a 10 zx14,but again who cares,my bike should do that it's a newer upgraded model and hell i paid a pretty penny for it,so it should. God i would love to see the bmw or the gsxr 1000 gain 20hp more,people on those sites would actually appreciate it,not bash their own bikes. And say what it can't do,and it's not that great,and so on and so on. I hate to go back on what i said earlier about them being only yards apart when racing,i was just trying to kill all the nonsense,but in the 5200 miles of owning my 14r i have fooled around with 3 gen1 14,one of them many times,the other two just for a night,and all of them i walked on pretty good,by top of 2nd i start the pulling,and after 3rd at the start of 4th on,when i could control the 200+hp from what my friend says he just shuts it down because im just leaving him pretty soild. So that my friends is one of the differences between them,and truthfully the biggest i would say. But if you don't race then who the hell cares.

* Last updated by: zx14racer on 5/26/2013 @ 6:47 PM *

Guys if you have not owned a Gen 1 and a Gen 2 and raced both of them it's hard to understand how much faster the Gen 2 bike really is ..Quick6 just made two passes on a friends ZX14R and ran 5.53 @ 127 with a slower 1.37 60 foot time in the 1/8 mile and in the heat .. All this on pump gas .. He is a great rider but no lite weight ..That is with just TWO passes .. Just think if he made a few more .. JT ran a record setting 8.62 on a stock wheel base , stocked motor Gen 2 zx14r .. These numbers these bikes are running are unheard of ..There is a mad dash of Pro riders right now trying to be the first to run 8.50s stock motor and stock wheel base ZX14R .. One of them will pull it off in time .. 8.62 , just think about that number for a second ..Mind blowing ..

Some of them don't want to hear it lee. And if lee says this......its gospil. He doesn't care about bikes or brands he tells it like it is.

* Last updated by: zx14racer on 5/26/2013 @ 8:28 PM *

Thanks zx14racer .. Here is the deal Dragking .. My best ever on two Gen 1s that i owned was 8.76 ..My best on my Gen2 8.43 ..Like Bill Cosby said , proof is in the pudding .. Anyway you guys have at it , i have said my peace ..Not much more to add ..

You CAN'T ride a 14/14R in the twisties like you can a liter or smaller bike...just too much mass to be trying to heft around and maintain a quick enough pace to roll with those lighter machines.It's not so much the suspension...even with the BEST suspension...the weight will ruin it.Just too much enertia moving.Look at Mulholland Drive vids...see any 14's there?I haven't seen one.Dragon's tail...yeah....some...but they're not doing anything near those 600's or 1K's.And the TT Isle of Man...not a one 14.They're awesome bikes...but tight fast stuff isn't their deal.Neither hitting sharpish turns like at the Isle at 180+.FAST transitions at higher speeds...high speeds...the big bird can't hang with it.

* Last updated by: Grn14 on 5/26/2013 @ 7:59 PM *

Smokin like Kruz pointed out those numbers don't mean nothing to a guy like me. Unfortunately, this is how Kawasaki is marketing the ZX-14R. When I saw the R Gadson cheap youtube videos I realized where this thing was going. Those numbers only makes a difference to you Drag Racers and we're talking .37 second which isn't worth the price of admission for somebody that doesn't race professionally. You're also misreading me. I couldn't care less about being right or wrong. Check my posts I was one of the most exited guys before the release of the ZX-14R and then I realized it gained weight etc. Later I test rode it and wasn't impressed. If I had left my bike alone I can tell you for sure that now I would be on one but when you've gotten use to throw a 480 ish pound ZX-14 around the 14R is less appealing. The new bike is faster, no argument there but my conception 0.37 second is different than yours and the regular Joe expect to see bigger difference when he hears about the dyno numbers differences.

ZXRacer... anybody but YOU can call me a little boy. You have to thank the internet for that. I have never deleted a single post, unless the question I was asking was already answered and I have read your stuff although you deleted a lot. I have also seen your picture and you appear to be a little boy physically and mentally. So just watch your tone John. This thread was dead but the most prolific writer on this forum Wolfman and Cblast brought it back. I just had to make sure they understood where I was coming from. Also assumptions are not your strong suit. I'm not angry I spent that kind of $$ on the 14. I spent most of it after the 14R came out and although I respect and ride with all kind of bikes, the 14 and 14R have a common adversary in the Hayabusa. Therefore, the exploits of the newer version make people respect the old version more in a the apple don't fall far from the tree kinda way. I'm just asking for more out of Kawasaki. You're 2010 was slow and heavy and now you're trying to correct the error and I'm killing your buzz!? Sorry dude, but put yourself in my shoes. I'm riding a bike that's 20 hp stronger and 80 lbs lighter than your old one and I won't even talk about the change of direction on the BST's and stopping power of the Brembos. I just can't be exited as you are about the 14R. I'm about finding that apex... you do roll ons and bike nights. When I get a bike my MO is to enhance all strong points and correct "mistakes". That's why I won't stretch a bike etc. The Drag racing crowd is a small crowd and guys like you make 80% of the bike night crowd. By guys like you, I mean people who get the bike to say they got the baddest but don't go to the strip or the track. Meaning you do not care about bringing the rider skill up to the bike level. That leaves guys like me. I started looking at liters when I saw parts were going to drag. I wouldn't get a liter unless I knew I could do that. We're talking about 3 years of riding and a newbie like me is already looking for upgrades to go faster. So forgive me if I'm saying Kawasaki should have stepped its game up a little. Bike is heavier to throw, clearance sucks etc. It should have been closer to the ZX-12 but they made a Concourse on steroid.

You CAN'T ride a 14/14R in the twisties like you can a liter or smaller bike...just too much mass to be trying to heft around and maintain a quick enough pace to roll with those lighter machines.It's not so much the suspension...even with the BEST suspension...the weight will ruin it.Just too much enertia moving.Look at Mulholland Drive vids...see any 14's there?I haven't seen one.Dragon's tail...yeah....some...but they're not doing anything near those 600's or 1K's.And the TT Isle of Man...not a one 14.They're awesome bikes...but tight fast stuff isn't their deal.Neither hitting sharpish turns like at the Isle at 180+.FAST transitions at higher speeds...high speeds...the big bird can't hang with it.

* Last updated by: dragking on 5/26/2013 @ 9:41 PM *

Oh good lord. I just realized I've actually been reading good old Gixxer Johns garbage, (14 Racer). Been away too long. Have fun with that bozo Drag King. That boys still at it eh?

Nah I'm good I give up! LOOL

Passion, passion, passion, man how to weigh in when everyone has such solid points.
First it is important to acknowledge that there are a few types of riders contributing to this post. One the twisty hooligan and velocity maneuver chaser (mad respect), Next the Roll On Rippa and traffic light Drag star, bonafide racers on semi professional levels, followed by number impress er and stat monger, some just like to show up on the bike, some are a combination of all groups. What is common to all is that this bike brings us together. Let's not forget we all love this bike and are brought together by this machines spirit and engineering. I feel like we are brothers getting into a fight over who gets the last cheerio. Drag King you make some excellent points about the bikes capabilities when off the straights or off the line drag and into the twisties (hell some of your points are about off the line numbers too). Zx you have a unique way of stating your opinion as you often state your points (succinct I might add) but wrapped in satire that may be seen as offensive (you and I have quarreled but I see the intelligent charm of your thoughts). That said you are a drag aficionado my friend! We all can agree on a few things. The new gen is faster and heavier (perhaps less maneuverable) than the old. We can also agree that the man who wears the crown is the man with the mods, weight and skill to pull it off. I'd also say skill and experience is the essence of winning races - the pilot and not the craft! I've seen smaller bikes eat the ZX and the ZX eat BMW's.

Let's look at what makes this bike a driving force in our lives and two reasons why we bought it. I'll go first!

1) Ergos for my aging body and listless sports injuries to my back and knees

2) Hyper bike riding characteristics that allow me to eat other riders!!!

Mad love boys,
Wman

* Last updated by: Wolfman on 5/27/2013 @ 4:44 AM *

Oh as an after thought, thanks for the nod Drag, it is your intelligent insights and solid discussion pionts to this threat that kept it going for 50 pages, made love to you and all that contributed. Something tells me this discussion is far from over!
Props!

Drag your an idiot plain and simple. I never went after you personally and you went right after me. I have never been to a bike night, thats not my scene sorry. I bring up great points about the new 14r in 2 huge posts and you had NOTHING to say about any of it because I was right. And your older 14 had nothing on my older 14 because that was done up also. So no drag you didnt have 20 hp on my old bike either. And then to constantly say you don't give two shits about drag racing.........WELL CHANGE YOUR NAME. And I put almost has much into my bikes as you and this is the only bike I have ever stretched out. And it's to keep it down when racing it from time to time. And truthfully the reason I don't do all that you do to the bike's, which in my opinion is a lil waste of money. Is I usually get a new bike every couple of years. But I guess that makes me a punk too. I love how you bring up my old bikeland times and call me JOHN. Are you trying intimidation with me really? ?? Yet again I brought up solid points about the bike just being upgraded and you ignored all of that and brought up gixxerjohn. Good job. I guess you have nothing really on my argument then. I'm done going back and forth with good points and then you don't answer them and then go after me personally. Your a little shit starter so I'm done with this post. And oh yeah CHANGE YOUR FRIGGIN NAME you could ca4e less about drag racing and thats your name???? Your the poser who probably rides by himself and upgrades his bike and then goes to starbucks and talks about it. There see I can look like an ass too going after people I no NOTHING ABOUT. I'm done here.........for the record the 14R is just a nice lil upgrade on the older bike..........PERIOD.

* Last updated by: zx14racer on 5/27/2013 @ 7:41 AM *

Temperature is getting hot on this thread!

Tell me about it wolf. Never seen a man go after his own bike, granted a newer one like that. Just let it go. You know who he reminds me of. I posted this at bikelands when I first got my bike done up. So im driving by the dyno shop and the bay door is opened and I see a 14 in there. So I pull in to check out my fellow 14 riders bike. Well its a 2011 and so the minute I pull up the dyno onwer greg is telling the guy that this is the 14r he was talking about. (I pulled the most hp ever for a stock bike with just pipes on his dyno...201hp) so the guy when I walk up the first thing he does is go right over to my bike with a shitty look on his face and then says that he's glad he bought the first generation. That my bike was fatter and he hated the fins now. I was flabbergasted. I didn't say a word. So the guy gets his bike dyno and I know he pulled somewhere in the low to mid 160s. Well all I said after that was I would take my fat and ugly bikes 201hp any day and left the shop. And the guy said nothing zero. I couldn't believe he was that but hurt about my new bike. And that who DRAGKING (great name) for a guy who cares less about the sport reminds me of. Like I said the original post is on bikeland under my name gixxerjohn.

I just read the DRAGKINGS upgrades and had to laugh a lil. He has the basic pipe and tune most of us riders get. Yet he tells me he had 20hp on my older bike?? What your fancy brakes or your fancy suspension add all the power? Or was it your vortex gas cap or your fancy spark plugs that add what 20 hp. Or the basic windshield everyone gets or your spools everyone gets. Besides your breaks or suspension upgrades your bike is pretty basic of what we all do. Well at least what I do. When you talk about your bike like you just did in your post above. Saying you have 20hp more than I guess most people's bikes. You have better had the head pulled off or something more than just a basic pipe and tune. To me thats almost stock. Then again I live 30 minutes away from Carpenter racing. So I know what a real worked bike does.

ZX I don't want to take sides here, I think you both speak inteligably from your own home perspectives. I see a great deal of passion, good insight and critical reflection. I love critical people, critical of my posts and critical of their own, it is what this forum is for. I do like classy people though, those who can raise challenges with accountablity and professionalism (I realize how odd that sounds given this is a "for us, by us" site). I am just not a fan of venom slung back and forth and online attacks. I too have lost my cool, regretted stuff and removed posts that potentially sent threads spirallying in to the negative abiss. I just try to avoid it. I am 40, two kids, and definately not an expert in this arena. I bring two decades of bike riding into the foray. But that said, one university professor I am quite fond of, told me, my writing sucks because I have not slept with a prostitute, served time in jail, lost love and fathered a child. Fast forward twenty years later, by his standards I have made it to "writer status." I bring a whole wack of life, and ride experience, and I feel life is too short to be provocative and loose relationships on a site as cool as this. Not saying we all sing Kumbaya, just suggesting we keep things civil. I am not saying either you or Drag are more or less at fault, I just think we should agree to disagree. Remember to honour each other and move forward.

I enjoy your passion and Drag's, I enjoy conflict too, lets remember there are real people sitting behind our screens and it is not worth burning that relationship over "right fighting!" Really it's up to us, the contributors that decide who is right, and arguments with venom make some posters look like asshats.

Madlove
Wman

* Last updated by: Wolfman on 5/27/2013 @ 8:33 AM *

Zxracer wrote:

"Your the poser who probably rides by himself and upgrades his bike and then goes to starbucks and talks about it"

No, that would be me!

Kidding, I think. LOL.

I don't think it matters what someone buys their bike for, as long as they enjoy it. Don't matter if you buy it to put in a glass case and never even put gas in it. The only question is, do you enjoy it?

Life is meant to be enjoyed while we are on this earth, and if you can augment that enjoyment by putting your bike in a case, riding it around town with buddies, upgrading it and going to Starbucks to tell everyone about how fast it is, racing professionally, or racing for fun............the pursuit of enjoyment is at the core of every purchase and eventual use.

Can't we all get along?

Hey I agree totally with both of you. I was trying to explain the difference in the bikes and this guy went personal so I became an ass too, to show him what he was doing to me. I didn't start anything with him. But like bikeland I won't take that shit either. Must be a jersey thing. We don't take alot of shit up here in the Northeast. Were not good at that!!!!! I'll check in later actually going to ride my bike now.

* Last updated by: zx14racer on 5/27/2013 @ 9:01 AM *

ZX man - that's pure gospel baby! I agree whatever makes the owner happy wins the day! True say, Bro, true say!
Wolfman!