This seems to be a very heavy topic. Every one has different opinions on the subject. The people that I have talked to about removing the flys are people that work on bikes for a living and all say to leave them alone unless its an all out track bike. The guy that did the dyno tune on my bike looked at me like I was crazy for even thinking about taking them out (cycle dynamics) Guys this dude is good and his bikes win races. I'm leaving mine in!.

Tell your buddy I about puked in my diaper I reinstalled the flies again.

To tell you the truth, on one video, I set the entertainment volume up on the 'YEP Pa' into the mic! See, my grunt was humming right before 11:1 and that was the best no fly, perfect rich 11:!, wheeeeel spinning mother of a ride but no HP. Just some rip ass grunt. Now, I'm back to a good running high HP, with no bottom there and I'm about to scream in my helmet I ruined a nice ride.

This morning, I lit off the bike for a camera idle cold test. I forgot to wrap my hand on a pipe but you can tell, it was dead cold, not warm at all. This afternoon was the first time I had a chance to ride the bike, re-flied. I can see my needle flutter is still off, only because the merc sticks were close enough and not on the money. I'm splitting hairs if I really want to smooth this out a tad more. On another old video, you can see the sync was way off, meaning, I could care less how it ran. If the idle doesn't hang, close enough.

I sorta got semi-serious with the tuning, installing that 02 meter. So here I am fresh off a, tree stump pulling, fat, smooth, anytime throttle any time torque, then swap back to flies. This time, I am fresh today with a whack of the subs. I think a lot of this has to do with, 'way too much is happening' [way too soon for some ~ giggle-giggle]. So messing with the fly change, someone better know going in, you need to commit to a quick, flip you on your back, lose grip at bars performance.

And if that has not happened to you at least once, maybe twice, you are not whacking it hard enough.

http://i284.photobucket.com/albums/ll32/smookeey/MythBustHers.jpg Though I hear a nice running lite-sprint from Cycle Dynamics, me listening to your pal, I should keep them in is like listening to other dyno need to name names, but school me is school them. This photo reminds me of how that lean was suppose to break my bike, hole the piston, burn a skirt. Say, you recall when Tom Cruise in Days of Thunder bumps someone and says, "REMEMBER ME?

Hub mine will stand rite up and go just the way it is the guy did a nice job on the tune. Besides doing a back flip won't do much for my ET. Ill leave em in!

Ride a bike with the flies removed and a proper map - I think that might change your mind

They will be coming out of my bike when I get a pipe and PC. I want my right hand to determine how much power I need.....not a computer.

I want my right hand to determine how much power I need.....not a computer.

Look, your buddy and his tune, I think I can walk that bike, match the service interval and I bet I can find some things off on your tweak. Not the way I'd send something to the line and I'm assuming he went routine book. Anyway, those flies are soon to be out and the poise pad strapped on. I had an errand say just this morning? I pulled over, moved the accel pot, blew it way past 11 and now it stumbles bad!

But, I'm not in the tuning business. I'm just playing around so he can walk my bike all day long if he would like. Seat of the pants, I squirt this bike, she is just so close to carrying wheel. I can't steer that tiny fraction you nail the throttle. I throw fuel at it, she nose dives now. I take a toggle swipe, immediately shutting off the pig. This thing cleans up, moves more into the crisp-x now. Crazy difference.

Crisp is a jumpy needle, close enough crisp. Extra crisp is needle steady crisp[x]. Say this is now the setting with flies in. I'm watching that needle and then I have to send a video at it or I'll be like some cell phoner. This bike can be tuned two ways. Flies in or flies out.

Here is how I view two types of rider:

1. Flies In: This one just has to follow the crowd. Once they taste their own underwear stain, they want flies IN and I mean, in a hurry! Don't tell them I said this.
2. Sub Systems Out: These are riders that bang the top of their head, bouncing foot at the same time like, "Why didn't I do this long ago!' 'Yeah Baby!' 'This is how this bike should have been built..." And those are the HP guys that can handle some extra crisp 186 mph pinned all day.
3.R&D Variable: You have others that hear both sides, execute, then have second thoughts. They were more looking for that computer select mode switch. WOT? Because both are at extreme ends? Who knows what they are thinking. I'm in the middle just playing around watching you all keep wondering the difference.

I'm a yank'inn yanker. Now I remember this throttle body being the grunt jumper 14:!, not the wheel spinner 11:! throttle body I just came off of. I was coming home just awhile ago, fresh from a shakedown run. This baby is lofting, carrying wheel. I think this is back to flying over bumps. Yeah baby! Once I flip the flaps FI, call me, ((-Number 2-)) Deja Vous all over again.

* Last updated by: Hub on 5/6/2010 @ 12:27 PM *

Hub, shit I have three bikes a car and a truck plus a job and an old lady two dogs and a fucking cat. I dont have time to play with it like you. I am due for plugs so mabey when I do that I will take them out and ride it around and see what I think. You had to throw down with the underware stain thing whats up with that!

Buck, with that list sounds like you never get bored.

Yeah, 20. I heard someone say how mighty and fearful the Kawi brand was throughout history and I just laugh that one off. Either you are ready to strap yourself up in a rocket or you watch from the ground L00King up. Guy at a bike hangout saw that 14 for the first time, "new" about how bad the world's fastest was as you read all the RR hype now, said he knew his limitations and would never ride that level a bike.

Bikes like the 14 and RR's are level entry to me. I'm the same as the others or say you wanting to jump on the next quickest/fastesthing.

I have 3 bikes. I take care of the 3 dogs next door, occasionally. I am retired, I spend more time on line, tormenting the public with cornball antics, stop me; Ship the dogs here, I'll take the load off, you can change the plugs and plug anything else around the house. Are these dogs house trained? Look, I still have the club card in hand, the old lady stops to look at something, calls me from down the end of the building almost. I'm waking past some guy walking slow, leaning on his cart, sees me wave my card for her to come, like I have the leash all the way out of the dog's walking spool tugging on her neck, what are you smelling now; guy sees me wave to her to come along. He laughs at my body language, I turn to to him and say, "You have one of these at home?"

Buck, page 133 of the owner's manual. If all 4 are not 'plugged in' checked and rebalanced, you need to stand there and look at the readings to make sure. Someone paid for a full service and that better be done as per dot is x the y inspection pages. Subs ARE now some get up and go, leave them in! WOT a difference! And I didn't touch the bike short of a general inspection as per book.

Amazing bike! I guess I have a good runner. I keep getting off that bike being more impressed you fine tune that computer buzz.

Let me be one little piece of the puzzle, we all seem to be studying the subject anyway. I'll be lighting up the crate bike soon. Pipes are coming off and now the original set is going back on. This will be stealth quiet. I have a bung and wrap combination. I find the wrap pulls the bike down cooler on the water bar, I'll live with the wrap's weight. If there is no needle swing change in burn 02, between the unwrapped vs. wrapped, I'll know something when I watch the wrap cold start videos. Study a pic-in-pic capture, go from there.

I came up to a slight incline at a traffic light, now stopped. The way the low rpm and clutch release happened all in unison, and the way this bike took off with the sub assist, how can you remove such a magical air mover. Someone needs to ride my bike, I must be dreaming I can't believe it'snot butter.

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Now, I'm going to destroy tune #2. Already lost the 11:! ratio ride. This re-tunes the quiet ride back in position. Then, after that 02 session, it's back to, 'jumper mode' I remote the fly, 02 test once again.

WOT?

* Last updated by: Hub on 5/7/2010 @ 3:00 PM *

You dont want none of this!

http://i284.photobucket.com/albums/ll32/smookeey/MythBustHers.jpg School me is skool you.

You dont want none of this!

And when I suggest something to them in their world, they snap at me and I immediately say to remind them, "Thank You!"

How do you like it? "I made it from scratch."

Actualy you would probably like what im doing right now I got a jet motor sceraming in the test cell as we speak. Its off a regional jet. I'm running the performance test right now the core is at about 20,000 rpm. when you turn out the lights for a leak check with a black light the ass end is bright red. If there going to blow this when they do it, I just pray its not when Im in there with it.

Actually, you are right. I'd love that kind of work. I've now installed the stock exhaust, subs out [of play] and have the remote plugged in. This will have video looking at that wide band needle. Bone stock '08 no flies, no codes, wrapped cat header.

Inspected the exhaust valve ports. They look dry, and carbon free, especially the PAIR'd ports. Good way to read the head like reading a plug. Pulling pipe off is a pain. Plugs are easier. 89 octane.

remove them it makes for a much nicer bike to ride once you get use to the extra tq. The hit you get from the stock 06-07 is like a light switch "its either on or off" think worlds largest 2 stroke as you already know thats not how a big bore bike should work. They realized that in 08 when they "sorta,kinda" fixed that issue.

* Last updated by: willidx4 on 5/17/2010 @ 10:13 AM *

Reach down and grab a pair....you got some or what? Maybe your neutered like your bike...toss the flies in the trash where they belong....zero loss, only benefits....if you cant handle the torque buy a Honda scooter...i hear you meet the nicest people on them....

9secondsflat, Ya got mine, now go get yours from the old lady so we can go for a ride then I can show you whats up!

* Last updated by: buck20 on 5/19/2010 @ 2:12 AM *

If you haven't ridden an 06 or 07 with the flies out, you ain't ridden a ZX14!!! And that's the bottom line, cause that other guy says so!!! Well, he would, if he had a ZX14. Took mine out, and would not have it any other way. I tossed what was left of them, so they can never go back.

harleyzx1400 wrote :

If you haven't ridden an 06 or 07 with the flies out, you ain't ridden a ZX14!!! And that's the bottom line, cause that other guy says so!!! Well, he would, if he had a ZX14. Took mine out, and would not have it any other way. I tossed what was left of them, so they can never go back.

But lets be clear, an equally piped and PCed 08 or later runs every bit as well, if not better, with the flies left in compared to an 06-07 with the flies out. Because Kawasaki adjusted when the secondaries open, in response to complaints, starting in 2008.

Lettuce be very clear ear. No matter the house, no matter the the throttle plates, I am going to beat you out of the house going though one door than you > running through two doors. Are we clear? ARE WE CLEAR!

Hub, YOU CAN'T HANDLE THE TRUTH!

buck20,

Here, I have the old lady sitting next to me and I am arguing about sentence structure with her. She is running the rule of one word used with the other and it does not sync in if you read it that way. I told her it does not matter what I say, nothing sinks in BAD's brain. So how I use a sentence to explain away one door swing from another is their problem if they are reading everyone else and their proper english. I cannot stand riding that bike I have now. The bike is bone stock. How did I get that one fly flapping across there is one too many if you ask my ass that question. The 14 now rides like this:

It lags, it shifts as smooth as ever. It lags, it just rides so super smooth. It lags, has some power everywhere, it lags. Do you see the stumble through two doors being that lag? Privateer has come to the conclusion that one bike with subs runs better than a bike without subs? You know WOT happens then?

It shifts like shit, the lag is gone. It is so crisp, I can't tell if that is smooth or crispy smooth, the lag is gone. I can't move that throttle to soon or a smile comes across my face the rear tire lights up, no lag. High is the front wheel, no lag, has lost some power, feels a little sour, no lag. She is the best thing going is WOW me each day is no lag through one door I go. It is speedier than stumbling through two doors, don't remind me I now ride, zLAG.

Someone commit me, I reinstalled the zipper clipper is a short fly, stir'turd not shaken.

I spoke to a few drag racers on the subject and the said that they prefer to leave them in because the power is more manageable. While guys are burning their tires and lofting the front end they see tail lights! Tire burning and lofting does have its place,it looks cool!

* Last updated by: buck20 on 5/21/2010 @ 6:52 AM *

How did we come to having carbs as one plate, leave the line with as much HP as the 14 way back then. Now, guys cannot pull the same power with a single plate, tells me low management skills on the left/brain/right hands down is someone needs a band-aid fix is the fly.

I guess there are a new breed of racers = Wimps with a back brake apply do not apply here. And if you think the flies need to stay in the second Gen bike is cut me a break, this thing is slow. See that beemer half track down the 1320? You should see that thing pick up speed and be gone past that first cone/half tracked. That bike is FAST! I'll take mine without flies, thank you.

I pulled mine. Wouldn't change it at all.

If you're spinning or wheelying, you dont have the bike set up right. OR you need to work on your handwork