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Created on: 11/03/11 03:58 PM

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14R For Revisions
11/03/11 3:58 PM

Key Features:

* Aggressive Style
* Most powerful production w/increased displacement
* New monocoque frame
* Adjustable power mode
* (KTRC) Equipped w/Kawi TRaction Control

SPECS:

* 120 lb-ft @ 7,500 rpm
* 12.3:1 Compression
* 584 lbs. w/liquids added

Higher-Output Eng:

* 4mm longer stroke increases displacement by 89cc, contributing to increased torque. A robust amount all around, but the bust begins at around 4,000 rpm.
* Milled combustion chambers which brought up the compression. New intake valves with hardened faces and revised seat material compliment the combustion chamber changes.
* New forged pistons to match combustion chamber, are stronger, lighter, have thinner crowns. New skirt design helps alleviate stress. Revised piston cooling jet system. A continuous spray of oil to the underside of the piston to cool for increased performance.
* Revised intake ports are now hand polished for better flow and increased performance.
* Larger diameter exhaust ports with revised shapes to help increase performance.
* Revised intake valve lift of 0.2mm and the exhaust valve lift adding 0.8mm help to boost power.
* Stronger cam chain to handle increased engine performance.
* New serrated-tooth type tensioner remains in position w/engine off; so you don't cry when you ear the rattle she's gone for now.
* Wider crank webbing holes between cylinders to reduce pumping loss which contributes to increased performance.
* Connecting rods are 3mm longer, have 1mm larger diameter smaller ends and since there is increased play with teh longer stroke the bit end bolts are stronger and fastened with greater torque.
* Crank main journal diameter increased 2mm to match the performance increase.

Advanced Electronic Riding Aids:

* 3-mode system combines the best of the Zx-10 and Concours-14.
* Modes 1 and 2 control ignition timing when unfavorable conditions occur, using complex analysis to predict when traction exceeds the range of optimal traction. Mode 3 has a higher sensitivity and controls ignition timing, fuel and air for ultra-smooth operation.
* The system distinguishes between smooth, power front wheel lifts and sudden lift, allowing smooth lift if acceptable acceleration is maintained.
* Allows riders to set power characteristics to suit riding conditions and style. Riders can choose between full power operation or low power, which is approximately 75% of full with a milder throttle response.
* A switch on the left handle bar housing gives the rider the option to turn the system off.

Ram Air Induction:

* Central ram has a straighter path to the airbox.
* New air filter has 10% more effective surface area with a 69% reduction in flow resistance.
* This system takes cooler, high-pressure air from the front of the fairing and guides it through the air cleaner for max power.

Digital Fuel Injection:

* New throttle body assembly with remote idle speed control (ISC) valve eliminates need to adjust idle and lowers emissions during deceleration, allowing smaller catalyzers to be used in the exhaust that contributes to better performance.
* Fuel injector nozzles disperse the finely-atomized fuel over a wider area to help boost power.
* 32-bit ecu works with dual throttle valve system to further enhance throttle response, control and have that CV smoothness is.
* Economical Riding Indicator (eco) appears on the instrument display to indicate when the operator is riding in a manor that results in better fuel efficiency.

High Flow Exhaust System:

* New exhaust features larger-diameter tapered header pipes, reshaped collector and larger muffler volume.
* Internal construction of the mufflers is designed for maximum exhaust flow.

Stronger, Shorter-geared Transmission:

* New heat and surface treatment on all gears for greater durability and wear resistance.
* One tooth larger rear sprocket provides shorter final gearing to further accentuate the stronger acceleration.
* Back-torque limiting (slipper) clutch added to prevent rear wheel hop and help protect drive-train.

Revised Chassis:

* Higher output required revised chassis rigidity so there's a new frame/swing, plus the suspension was reworked for firmer feel.
* More than half of the main frame components are new and feature a more rigid head pipe, revised swing arm mounting brackets and new battery back plate to revise rigidity balance to match higher power.
* The frame is a hollow aluminum box that arches over the engine from the steering head to the swing arm pivot. It is narrow, strong, rigid, and light.
* Frame found 4 less pounds adding torsional rigidity.
* Engine positioned forward in the frame, wheelbase and front/rear weight balance wree carefully designed to achieve both high-speed stability and responsive handling.

New Lightweight 10-Spoke Wheels:

* More than 3 pounds lighter to reduce inertial mass for better flickability and handling.


Paraphrased from a Kawi presentation manual of its current models.



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RE: 14R For Revisions
11/03/11 4:24 PM

2012 ZX-14R Factory Color Names for the trivia buffs:

* Golden Blaze Green
* Metallic Spark Black
* Candy Surf Blue



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RE: 14R For Revisions
11/03/11 5:43 PM

Wow! It has me wondering how big a hit I'd take on my '11 with over 5k on it as a trade-in!



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RE: 14R For Revisions
11/03/11 5:55 PM

I swear...you ought to go for it.Nothing wrong with your bike.She's sweet.Plenty enough bike.But I think this new one is gonna be like...."Geez"....in every way.I LOVED my 07.I feel the same way about this new one as I did about my first one.Coming up from my zx12.....awesome...just awesome.

5,000 miles...and in the shape yours is in....they'd probably cut ya a good deal for a trade up.I didn't get more for mine cause she had 51,000+ miles...but other than that...that baby just rocked....better than when I first bought er.Nicely modded for ergos and power....sweet bike.

They really don't give ya much extra for havin the upgrades...but still...SOMEONE's gonna get a WAY COOL bike.Never leaked a drop of oil.Never broke down.Fairly easy to maintain.Ya...great starter rocket for someone.Fully loaded and ready to rock!


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RE: 14R For Revisions
11/03/11 6:19 PM

Shweeet!! I'll be relying on your feedback after you get to actually ride er. Heck, I'm excited for ya! lol



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'15 ZX-14R....here we go again!....center stand; M4 slip-ons; helibars; PCS1 racing filter; MRA touring screen; ZG double bubble screen; Sargent low profile seat; Throttlemeister cc; ProjektD rad guard; Puig hugger; ZG Marc1 ws; fender eliminator, Knight Design 1 3/8 lowered pegs, Schnitz flash.
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RE: 14R For Revisions
11/03/11 7:13 PM

So Hub...are ya liking what ur hearing and reading? Do you think it will be a big noticeable difference in the way it feels n handles? I think it sounds like at the very least is built to last longer under hard riding. wsy?



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RE: 14R For Revisions
11/03/11 7:23 PM

This bike is making me nuts. Can't wait to see some real #'s

Larger headers ? Brock going to need some serious RD to be ahead of the slip-on with link pipe. Maybe she won't need ??? We will see.

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RE: 14R For Revisions
11/03/11 7:46 PM

That's for sure Romans!the anticipation is killing me too and I have a fairly new ride! :)



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'15 ZX-14R....here we go again!....center stand; M4 slip-ons; helibars; PCS1 racing filter; MRA touring screen; ZG double bubble screen; Sargent low profile seat; Throttlemeister cc; ProjektD rad guard; Puig hugger; ZG Marc1 ws; fender eliminator, Knight Design 1 3/8 lowered pegs, Schnitz flash.
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RE: 14R For Revisions
11/03/11 7:52 PM

I'm really impressed with the stock performance of my '11.....so any improvement would be awesome. But what I'm really getting stoked about is not only the new refinements and gizmos but the robustness of the internal components. Sounding even more bullet-proof than ever!!



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RE: 14R For Revisions
11/03/11 8:10 PM

Hmmm... I remember when all of the conjecture was floating around as to what the KTRC did and did not do... No brake control... Only ignition, air (secondary flies), fuel control... ABS is stand-alone... ALA ZX10....

Weight increases - NOT in frame (knew I saw that somewhere before - that the new frame was lighter than the old one), NOT in wheels, Soooo, only thing left is engine, exhaust and ABS system which in itself weighs about 7 lbs and is probrably still the lightest in the industry (IF it is the same unit fitted to the ZX10, which I don't doubt)...

So from the way I see it, slip in a Shorai, drop the cannons and I'll bet this one will weigh in about the same as the current bike...maybe even lighter if the cans weigh over 20lbs like the old units...

Food for thought....



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RE: 14R For Revisions
11/03/11 8:22 PM

Added weight - it has an additional cooling fan too.
I like everything they have changed.

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RE: 14R For Revisions
11/03/11 10:20 PM

I'm waiting for the parts book to show up at the shop. Order the book's part number and off we go. I told my dealer I'll show up in a few months after things die down. Have to put the '08 up for sale. Time to rotate stock. I'll know how deep this idle deal is? If it takes a handheld unit to set the idle... Big bucks for that tool. I don't know if is worth it just to knock the idle down after the sync? Now, if it learns, no problem. I'll be right behind blue.



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RE: 14R For Revisions
11/03/11 10:50 PM

Kool!



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RE: 14R For Revisions
11/04/11 6:55 AM

Sounds like KHI really nailed what the ZX14 should have been to begin with. Awesome specifications.



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RE: 14R For Revisions
11/04/11 7:00 PM

Hub,

My guess on idle control is an ISC which is an ECU controlled air bypass of the throttle plates.More air bypass equals higher idle. Auto FI has een using this for years.What will foul a car engine idle control is to adjust the throttle plate(butterfies).The ECU will adjust the air bypass to adjust idle speed to a predetermined value programmed in it.
Looks as if they may be using the sub throttle flys to temper the power using the modes--ie less power may mean the flys open slower or less.Removing the flys may neuter the mode selection.

Just some thoughts.

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RE: 14R For Revisions
11/04/11 9:25 PM

Well, nat, how can the feds cry when I run less rpm? Those are less burns per minute. One down. How is someone going to cry foul, I run the air screws even leaner. That says, every hour I am running more air than gas. Who is shutting down whom from the basic smooth tuning?

No, nat, I think at morning start, the subs ramp open the main plate a smidgen. The ramp will have no clue the subs are gone. No problem there for that mod. The air balance will the ECU catch that and bring her down. I also think, when you think about it, that main is closed. That says if the pressure catches that difference, as if you blip the throttle, it will find the factory idle and purr without subs.

Natlancaster, I run under 900 rpm. The sync is so spot on, it lumps like a harley almost. This is to run deep in the brake set. I use no rear. You guys will fell that wheel chatter, I probably will never use the clutch pack.

I'm kidding! No I'm not! That is the reason I need a couple of hundred rpm's knocked off the engine idle. That back tire is going to chunk-chunk-chunk the front end on me. It plowed on me with a warm set of tires, so it had to be too high an idle on this bike. And that was my 2006 14, w/no pig, no subs, no air cleaner, mind you.

With the ape giving me a heads up on the 'ISC' call it for now, I'll know the abstract used by mother teapoop is more shit to learn on the fly. I was laughing with my dealer. I said, you won't send me to class. You won't hire me just to show I am from some dealer. So, here I am buying the 2-dimentinal and the 3-dimentional just to keep up on the tech. That is a 6 year run on the idle cable. Here comes another sensor to throw on the bike.


1. Ignition curve is gone ~ Can't lock it in place.
2. Fuel trim is gone ~ Can't jet each cylinder without pig.
3. Idle cable is gone ~ Can't run dead stick without heading into limp.
4. Air screw advancing/retard [fuel trim] is gone ~ Where the air screw [smoothing] is that you are screwed by setting the screws here (+/-) and here she stays.


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RE: 14R For Revisions
11/04/11 11:08 PM

You can't remove the subs as in the pre '12 bikes, KTRC uses them to control wheel spin... You posted that yourself up above Hub - I'm pretty sure getting rid of the subs will cause problems with the traction control system sooner or later!!!

Mode 3 has a higher sensitivity and controls ignition timing, fuel and air for ultra-smooth operation.

And I know what all of the press says about an electronic throttle on the 14R, but I've read more than one article where KHI says that they DIDN'T use and fly-by-wire throttle on the 10 because it was not needed, too complicated, they've made the best system in the industry without a fly-by-wire throttle, so why use one here? And look at these photos, this is the same setup as on my 2010 for the trottle and how it looks at the throttle bodies... So I don't think there is one on this bike... Below is KHI's response to why there is no fly-by-wire on the ZX-10 and the 14R's system is just a re-programmed version of the ZX-10's KTRC....

Aprilia, BMW and Yamaha have all used ride by wire on their bikes. Why is there none on the new ZX-10R?

“Hmm, this is not the first time we have been asked this question! Why no ride by wires? Well, we also tested a fly by wire system on an early version of the bike. The merit of the system is that it can only control one set of throttle valves but we couldn't solve a problem, which is that when you open the throttle hard, there's a really big change in the airflow and it makes it very hard to get a smooth throttle response. And that smooth throttle pick up response is very important to get right on racing bikes. We know that the best solution to this is to use two rows of butterfly valves and injectors because the fly-by-wire design doesn't do this as well. Maybe for the future, if some new technology develops, that will change but for the moment, this is not possible. We want to keep the really smooth throttle response and, for us, a fly-by-wire is too harsh.

And then there's this:

Looks like the regular cables running into the primary user controlled primary throttle valves, same old setup for the subs that I see on my bike:

This is the 2012 throttle setup - looks like there's adjusters in the cables just like 2010 - uneccessary with fly-by-wire:

This is the 2010's throttle set-up...

More conjecture and the bikes will be in your local dealership soon...



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RE: 14R For Revisions
11/04/11 11:28 PM

More conjecture and the bikes will be in your local dealership soon...

I spy with my little eye...







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RE: 14R For Revisions
11/05/11 12:13 AM

Mission Motorsports in Irvine, CA



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RE: 14R For Revisions
11/05/11 12:38 AM

SHEEIT DOGO!Yer sayin the bike's already at Mission Motorsports?Awesome pics there...really nice.Friggin badazz....just way cool.

Throttle assembly looks the same..ya...my Rifleman's 1/5th throttle mod ought to go in nicely!


That rear shot reminds me of some sort of transformer....pointin those cannons right back atcha! With that classic Kawasaki smilie/victory lens goin on!


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RE: 14R For Revisions
11/05/11 12:46 AM

SHEEIT DOGO!Yer sayin the bike's already at Mission Motorsports?

That's a 14r sittin' in that guy's driveway... His PB pics look like he is associated with a dealership... and the pic of Mission Motorsports was taken from his album... soooooo........... Maybe they have another... or maybe he only got one and kept it for himself.

Either way... lookin' like dealers are gettin' crates... you may get that "come get your new bike" call sooner rather than later, Grn.



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RE: 14R For Revisions
11/05/11 12:51 AM

Wouldn't THAT be a nice X-mas gift!Dealer said beginning of December the other day.Slightly bummed.But wtheck...s'only a week or so longer.Dogo...you gotta get one my man.Nothin but good stuff with this bike.She's gonna rock.

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RE: 14R For Revisions
11/05/11 12:59 AM

Wouldn't THAT be a nice X-mas gift!Dealer said beginning of December the other day.Slightly bummed.But wtheck...s'only a week or so longer.Dogo...you gotta get one my man.Nothin but good stuff with this bike.She's gonna rock.

Sure would!!!... You and I both know I'll get one... I'm just not sure when.

BTW... you see the Metzler tires on there?



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RE: 14R For Revisions
11/05/11 1:06 AM

If I saved the right video, fly by wire? Listen to this beauty. Listen to the throttle transition. I doubt by tomorrow, you can beat that cable pull. Eventually, but for now... Wow, this is such a... I can't describe it. You have to listen to that echo, the clean, the tone, the sound of mother K.

You can't remove the subs as in the pre '12 bikes, KTRC uses them to control wheel spin... You posted that yourself up above Hub - I'm pretty sure getting rid of the subs will cause problems with the traction control system sooner or later!!!

Ummm, BWillie?


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