My,we're touchy aren't we.You're quite experienced...fix it yerself.It's fucked up...there....happy now?

And Hub..again..couldn't help himself bringing me to the party...he even took the time to repost thisLMAO!!!!
"Grn14, I had aslipper clutch in 1992 on my zxr750k1
can we put aside the how to change gear manuals"

You crashed this party, fella. This guy is finding out about you and me giving and opinion. Did you ask the guy about a radial lever? The bump in the lever? The easy pull and all that fulcrum feel going on? You choose your own threads, fella. Don't involve me in them. Stay focused on the OP is me.

Motero will be in shortly to shorten your sheets... LOL He is going to tear into you... I'm going to sit back and watch dis one. Only you, greenie. Read it an weep.

Two trolls for the price of one...WHEEEEE...my kind of party baby!(BTW...I'm REALLY scared of Motero...you know...the sword thing and all)

Hagrid wrote"@Hub: i cant see your fingers in the hand-shot"...uh...that's because he's busy doing himself with his dildo bud..

Its not 3-4 lip service, only 4-3
all upshifting sweet as a nut,
So maybe thats your lip service is over due
As for"petty" Arguments,i wont back down
Short n sweet this time Grn,your lecture first time round musta took it outta ya (",)

* Last updated by: motero on 5/24/2012 @ 12:45 AM *

Well...I haven't noticed my trans shifting strangely from 4th to 3rd...w/or w-out clutch...I'll have to see if it will.What rpms were you shiting at...and were you using the clutch?

",your lecture first time round"....only a inexperienced rider would be having shifting issues with this bike.Short an sweet...like you...sweet...short....inexperienced.

"And Grn 14, who and where did anybody mention shifting like im at the track?"
"And it doesnt always shift down cleanly,maybe takes two attempts 'when going down quickly'",

Ummmm...YOU did.Unless you were riding pretty agressively,you wouldn't be trying to shift like that....why would you?On the street...riding 'normally'.

"Any you guys find the gearbox the same?" sweet and simple...just for you killer....no.

* Last updated by: Grn14 on 5/24/2012 @ 1:02 AM *

Motero, Like I said, the 3-4-4-3 combo is going to be one of the quirks of the bike, but as far as shifting, like you said, what has changed? This is a big bike with big gears. Could be the mass slowing one gear. You have to be on top of it if you want to sport it.

If you throw more hours at the bike, you'll find the box is a bit sloppy, but if you were to match your other rides, I'm sure you'd put this close to the top. Some will tell you that first does not clunk? Go on line, hear some of the 14's no matter the year. Listen to Brock set 1st in gear. LOUD!

If that is part of the clunk scenario, we both know there is not much you can do but start in 1st before starting the engine.

ok, you guys are both high
grn you are a dumbass of the highest order, only an inexpierienced rider, get fucked, the issue here is not anything other than the gearbox making a big metallic wallop as it shifts down, you know, clutch in, press down BANG! do you get it yet??
i never referred to shifting like im at the track, there is a difference between shifting down quickly as opposed to bangin down the box, please refrain from adding imagination to the equation, and focus on the point in question, to which i know the answer, no you have not had a similar expierience, thanks for that

again Hub, shifting up is faultless, every bike likes to make itself heard when engaging first, did i ever mention this part of any scenario??
and i am matching it to every other bike i have owned , even my mv augusta piece of shit was better at shifting down than this, that is the sole reason for my question!!! As i have compared it to every other bike i have ridden or owned, and its the worst, bar maybe a clapped out VF500f11
the only guy here with anything resembling a normal reply is seno

"Any you guys find the gearbox the same?" sweet and simple...just for you killer....no.
Amen to that

Unless you were riding pretty agressively,you wouldn't be trying to shift like that.
Shift like what exactly??? where does it say anything other than shift down quickly? so please enlighten me? where do you draw your conclusions from??? the same place you keep your fairydust???

* Last updated by: motero on 6/22/2012 @ 6:27 AM *

"and focus on the point in question, to which i know the answer"...then troll on fucknut...this aint your home...move along then....expert.You asked...then you argue...then you attack me and Hub....and then say"I know the answer"....bye bye troll...your time here is OVER.

Fuckin trolls...always think they got it goin on...clear as crystal numbnuts...you're clear as crystal.BTW...you aint got a zx.Or a bike either...well,maybe a moped

Seno said..."something simple that will not tie your bike up at the dealer for an extended period of time."....yo...Seno...I don't think yer gonna have to 'hope' for this yahoo.He don't ride...let alone own a 14.

"making a big metallic wallop as it shifts down, you know, clutch in, press down BANG! do you get it yet??"...yeah,I get it...and you....times up....scoot along sonny boy.

You go out an troll for websites where you THINK some people hate each other...you become a chameleon and post up some bullshit deal...then wait....trolling.You got no idea the people here.7 years jerkoff...me an Hub been here at least 7 years.YOU don't know shit...shove off girlyboy.

* Last updated by: Grn14 on 5/24/2012 @ 3:41 AM *

7 years, they put up with you that long, you get your full colors yet?
and i aint got a zx you got that right, its a zzr ; )
where is my bullshit all i see is yours
I am the god of this forum, and all who enter my kingdom will listen to me, and i will be right, get over yourself,
I argued the fact that you call my expierience at changing gear into question, which, initially i can accept,
but can you accept that you and your assumptions are not always right?
as for trolling, you veered off topic, you invented my race track ,agressive riding story,
Seno was to the point, and like all normal functioning people, who think rationally, bleed the master cyclinder, ie to rule it out of the equation, a process of elimination, to narrow down the possible cause of the effect,
You have dragged seno back into this,
You have tried to provoke an emotional response from me , claiming i dont have a bike, or ride a bike
Trolling at its best.
Bravo sir, here endeth my first lesson in trolling, Thanks for that.

ps. your join date reads 09,
thats 3 years , unless you got a time machine build into that zx of yours

* Last updated by: motero on 5/24/2012 @ 4:21 AM *

This is the second incarnation of this forum.You wouldn't know that....nice try at 'copying' my syntax.What happened to your gearbox fix?You said you 'had the answer?'Let's hear it.

And tell us...just WHY is MY response to you....about shifting...is so upsetting?"normal functioning' people who ask questions and get answers that make sense NORMALLY say something like..."Ya...okay....Maybe I'm not getting it quite right"....instead of..."hey assholes..I know how to ride....blah blah blah...don't you know who I am?"'As for"petty" Arguments,i wont back down'....and just who was arguing with you?I don't see any arguing...only baiting.That's all I see.

"You have dragged seno back into this"...really?do tell...just where has Mr Seno been 'dragged' anywhere...by ANYONE?He posted...you patted him on the back.

You guys are all the same...you talk the same...you fake the same...you sound the same....Answering you doesn't bother me at all...I've nothing to prove.You're proving everything much better than I ever could WHY would a guy asking about a trans 'problem' spend the rest of the time fencing with someone he doesn't even know?And doing a poor job of that BTW.You already 'established'...."i know what it is"...so why go on 'struggling' with some guy(me) on a forum somewhere in NetLand.Because you aren't here to get answer to a 'problem'..you're here to troll...plain and simple.BYE BYE

* Last updated by: Grn14 on 5/24/2012 @ 6:03 AM *

ROFL, 3:27 into the video Hub posted..... HAHA!

oh my god, i knew your answer to my question, thats is, namely, you do not have the same issue.

"please refrain from adding imagination to the equation, and focus on the point in question, to which i know the answer, no you have not had a similar expierience, thanks for that"

this here is what you refer to, i said i now have YOUR answer to my question!!
not that i have the answer to whether many others find downshifting not smooth at all

lets just assume i have looked at all other factors, the chain tension,the throttle play, the engine load /unload, timing of change, my ankle,foot,wrist,timing,flexibility and response time,the earths gravitational pull,

how can anybody fuk up down shifting?
shifting up will be affected by many factors, shifting down is the crux of my issue, plain and simple,

i do notice others not getting involved in this bolloxology, for that i am thankful
so what if this is the second third or 44th incarnation of this site? seriously is that an issue? must be to you? how does the lenght of time you are contributing to this forum correlate to anything regarding my asking if any others find the downshift not smooth? it doesnt, sorry if i dented your ego by not accepting your explanation as to the problem i am not expieriencing on my non existent bike,

i am not upset about you referring to my gear shifting, its been done already!! i am upset we are still going through this, wasting my and your time,
how can anybody get downshifting wrong??
i didnt call anybody an asshole
and you are the one who is inclined by , dont you know who iam attitude, as you point to your time on this forum

you have said i have no bike,
."hey assholes..I know how to ride....blah blah blah...don't you know who I am?" seriously mate, Goerge Lucas is looking for a script writer.
can we drop all this ? or would you like to continue for the entertainment of all?

I just had another thought... What is your idle at? On the first gen 14's we had an adjustable idle as opposed to the new 14R where we do not. On the Gen 1's I used to keep my idle at 950-1,000 but the 14R seem to idle a bit higher 1,200-1,300 I would guess. BTW, I started my bike and clunked it into first gear and took notice since this thread was started.... Maybe we are just used to the 14's behaving like this going into 1st although the 14R have much less of a clunk.

idle is approx 1100,
but i do notice, it does not always return to idle position immediately on releasing throttle, it floats @1400 ish, slightly under automatic choke idle position and then a few seconds later returns to idle position,
im not worried about engageing first from nuetral, i got the usual/ normal clunk there, alls good

"how can anybody fuk up down shifting?"...by doing the things I posted(and others as well).If you're not doing that...then why be angry about my personal experience with shifting on the 14...an 07,and the 2012?I never said YOU WERE DOING THIS...show me where I personalized my response.I'm talking to a guy I don't know...doesn't know me.Comes on a forum...asks a question...gets some answers..."supposedly" gets pissed off...if you actually are...which I doubt.Won't accept any suggestions.Characterizes people,and makes accusations he won't back up...."you dragged seno into this"...okay...I ask a simple straightforward question...Show me the quote where I dragged seno into ANY place in this deal.Show US now....you made the statement as if it was a fact...okay....show it.

This thread has now morphed into....idle speed and 1st gear clunking...of which you said...it's doing that.Fine.Tell me...if Seno is talking idle speed....and you're talking shifting issue at 4th to 3rd...why aren't you 'slamming' Seno like ya did me and Hub?At least we were talking shifting in the correct context.I'd think by now you'd be calling him a jerkoff and blowing a gasket telling him''HEY...I aint talkin about 1st gear you....."

Stick around...you'll get your answer from somebody here.

"not that i have the answer to whether many others find downshifting not smooth at all"....I think in all fairness...you have the answer concerning 'how many"....basically...none.Not here anyway.The other guys aren't adding their experiences....sorry if I offended you.Honestly.Hope ya get yer bike sorted.

* Last updated by: Grn14 on 5/24/2012 @ 7:30 AM *

Seno said..."something simple that will not tie your bike up at the dealer for an extended period of time."....yo...Seno...I don't think yer gonna have to 'hope' for this yahoo.He don't ride...let alone own a 14.
adding flames to the fire

seno spoke about the first gear clunk, but he didnt lecture me on how to do it right or wrong. he is trying to constructively decipher the issue i have
i will accept suggestions that appear to be related, your suggestion that i am inexpierienced, that i have no bike,that i am a troll,that i am a jerkoff, petty argument/i wont back down, was a joke in reference to Tom Pettys song,
i dont think i have personally attacked you or called you names, have i?

slam into seno, why? he was checkng out how his bike engaged 1st gear,
i have re read yr long post on shifting, and you have said you have missed gears and it has slammed , and you only mentioned downshifting once,
we are not talking about shifting technique, but the bit that happens after i press the lever down, ill be more specific,

roll off the power,throttle to the stop, pull in clutch, press down gear lever, very audible whack, that turns heads off people on the street, mostly from 4-3 and 3-2, and its not a single action movement, as the lever is pressed down, there is like a slight secondary kickbac action felt in the lever

anyway, oil getting changed later this evening, and road trip planned for wekend, put a few more miles and grind a few more edges off the dogs n gears !

Motero,

Shifting up says no forks are bent, no shift pawls giving out signals that the 3-4-4-3 is a factor I assume? That might bring the lever into it. You have about 3 scenarios you can play with. Since it is easier to shift up than down, try a bleed?

1. Push slave piston all the way into its bored receiver - To purge the clutch system.
2. Bleed the lever system as normal procedure.
3. Strap a zip-tie or bungee cord to the lever and send it to the grip overnight.

That last suggestion is the quick and dirty one I'd try. Go to both levers and zip them. You may feel these masters tend to air up some. Pushing the front brake pucks in on the front calipers, gave [my] lever a new life. It is somewhat subtle, so first things first is try a bleed/purge.

Hard to believe one needs a tranny break-in. I think if the trans is built, it will shift like new each time, meaning. There are no ball bearings to break in or free rolling gears or sliders to wear down? Things like that 'if' they made a difference, meaning, far be it from me to tell if the trans shifts any better after a few hundred miles of break-in? I Doubt it.

Like I said, I hated to shift that trans without a steel cable to feel the difference is that initial plate break. Being that lever is liquid, you may need to tell new shoes it has an idiosyncrasy you might want to master. In the video, I'm sure I'm short shifting a lot of rpm, so running up and down on the 3-4, it pretty much is there if you can forget about thinking of the shift. I'd let those long years of experience shift that idio out of it.

I find this to be one smooth box. And also, lots of converted drag racing bikes have pretty much (0) clutch and shift issues. If you take those years of the 14's trans as a non issue, it says you hardly see transmissions being exploded for any one gear... Especially the snickedy 3-4.

i know, i cant see how a bed in time would make any difference to gearbox,it either works or it doesnt would have been my thoughts, bent forks give a problem, chewed dogs give a prob etc,
this is a first for me, granted its a new bike to me, its the wierdest feeling i ever had with a gearchange,
anyway, oil is fresh, going for a ride, then ill bleed overnight, and buy a pair of fat ass boots

To refresh your memory... There is no room for error. Space left or space right, it is equal. Lazy on the throw, lazy at the liquid, you dropped the ball.

To read a transmission. Choose the largest gear in the box. That is first gear. Choose the second biggest gear in that row says gear two and so on.

Not to point fingers. Say you are missing parts off the bike and it is new? That is a sloppy hand it over to you! Plus, the road test out the box, and the very first rider missed a shift here is your new bike all nice and tight. Maybe check the top steering stem's nut while they order that for you...

You paid for a pre-delivery-inspection (PDI) w/all bolts that can reached.

You may have something there.... because about 2 days ago.....

Mine is doing the same thing with 800 miles..... down shifts suck big time ... having to blip the thottle helps ...the up shifts have been fine.

94 miles kaw fil rotel 15/40
284 miles same

So enough of this bull shit.... last night i decided to drop the rotella oil and i installed 4 qt. of Mobil ONE 10w /40 mc oil...and kaw filter.... later tonight i will be taking a run and i will report back on the mobil.

2011 zx1000 ninja................ 900 mile test..

Hub,ive given up trying to decipher your code,
Few guys willtake bike this weekend and give their impression, without prior knowledge of my dislike to downshift,to see if they notice anything without any preformed prejudice

Little change of plans..... i was in the ER THIS AFTERNOON i have a small bone chip in my foot...have to fIND out when i will be back on my bike... so much for the run in.

I will follow up when healed.

Space left or space right, it is equal = the end-play of each gear is precisely centered (the gears slide laterally for each engagement)
Lazy at the throw = soft toe or limp shifting.
Lazy at the liquid = not changing the oil when notchy shifting begins to occur.
Both lazies = missed/notchy shifts = not the scooters fault

The transmission in the photo is missing something... can you guys tell what it is?

Hub,ive given up trying to decipher your code

You hang out long enough, it begins to make sense you read it 3 times over. That's what I've been told anyway.

Space left or space right, it is equal = the end-play of each gear is precisely centered (the gears slide laterally for each engagement)
Lazy at the throw = soft toe or limp shifting.

Lazy at the liquid = not changing the oil when notchy shifting begins to occur.

If you see me break the safety wire rigging I had at the end of the video, that was WOT I was doing. It was that hair of a trigger that I would make the clutch slip. It was a meguyveer move to take up the slack. But again, in the video, your 3-4-4-3 is addressed in that gear change. There is enough lever to see there is more the slack taken out no matter which shift direction, I'm not moving that lever much. I do hear a lot of bang shifts in my vid. I also do not hear a peep in shift transition either.

At mark 1:24, I hear a good bang. Is this the bang you refer to? Time 1:48 turns sloppy. 2:25 is another bang. 3:38 shebangs. 4:23 - 4:25 I do not use the clutch lever at all. That is 4 bangs. Are those your bangs you are hearing?

Both lazies = missed/notchy shifts = not the scooters fault

The transmission in the photo is missing something... can you guys tell what it is?

Oh well... two out of three.