Well...yeah...I kinda left that part out .

Just the fact that RG modded the 14R implies that the bike is good/better but not that great. The bike with the biggest motor wins but often the bike with the most weight looses. The 14R has about 60 lbs on my modded 06 and look at what the bmw did to the bigger motored 14 and busa. From a roll on I don't think the 14R is going to be able to walk away from the new s thou. Drag race... yeah sure but that's about it.
Drag racers are already pulling flies... the bike is not three months old. RG went with the taller gearing to have an advantage not to slow himself up. Meaning the launch is problematic.
About RG? Sorry guys but the guy get checks from kaw. Wake up fellows read btw the lines... he is insulting ur brains. He put up a vid in which he wheelies a busa like a stunter and come back and tell you his best stock time before the 14R was on the same bike! Or the dyno test... 188... 186 ooops let me take this phone call ok I'm back look at this 195 hp!!!!!! I'm not saying I doubt the bike prowesses but coming from a company which only upgraded colors for 6 years forgive me if I have my reservations... On whether kaw engineers are smarter than us. Hell yeah but I still did better with a screwdriver and Brock's pipe. Wanna test an 11 against my modded 06 lol. They'll tell you we put flies for safety... you know how dangerous the flies are in a slow turn on a cold morning? show me busa riders have more accidents and throw the first stone.I'll admit the bike is better than previous gen but no pegasus.. We are talking 6 years of R&D. I think all of that is going to make the busa a better bike cause they don't put no flies. They re like Ducati they make the bike and tell you tame it or die no compromise.Grunt and top end are going to be of biblical proportions, plus their back is against the wall... anybody read Sun Tzu? lol kaw wanna blackbird the busa and although I found the RG clip amusing... I feel like they shoulda let independant racer find out on the strip.Calling a bike a hayabusa when there is a blackbird... priceless. I can't buy a new 14 every 2 years I like to keep my toys and although it's been 6 years I'm glad to see some upgrade. If the 14R is great what are we going to call the 14 that will be the answer to the next busa?

A big plus 1 DragKing, couldn't agree more!

If I can wheelie as low as 2000 rpm I might just get Ivan's stuff.

I emailed you his dyno curves for your '08 with an Akra full system, TRE, PC5 and his map, very nice, 185 rear wheel with great low end response.

I'll email you his curves with your Tsukugi on there and a link to his site. IMHO, Ivan is one of the best street tuners in the country. His stuff runs the way the factory should have done it from the beginning.

Mine loves that 50 degrees cool air lol wack the throttle 2500 rpm She will pull a figure worth a ten

Yer right, get the pipe and tune correct on an '06 and they have bags of torque right off idle. Like I said, mine runs like a big dirtbike down low in first, sounds like your does the same DragKing. Nope, I'm completely satisfied with my '06, I think I'll just stay put until the next big thing comes along...

Greenie, be honest, you had a $50, Jeffo Dial-a-Tune, you got what you payed for. Ivan develops his tuning packages over months of R&D on the dyno, road and track, kind of hard to compare the results to 15 minutes on a Motorola flip phone ....just sayin!

Here's the '06 curves with flies out, Yoshi slipons, TRE008, PC3 and Ivan's map. Close to 75 lb-ft at 2500 rpm.... that's peak torque on a stock BMW S1000RR at only 2500 rpm. There is ample torque well below this point, ask DragKing. My bike will loft from very low speed in first gear. I tried to tell you guys how good this setup was as far back as December of 2006 when I first got it on there, perfect useable power for the street. No, I don't need anymore than what I already have thank you.

* Last updated by: Kruz on 12/29/2011 @ 11:05 AM *

What if I was to tell you that I DID dyno mine.And what if I told you the max HP was 182.And the torque was 112.@ 11,200.And my bike with the ignition deal(for response)and the lighter cans and the 16/43 gearing...at 1500 rpm I was just starting to get rolling into the low meat of the range....but no wheelies at 1500.Not enough RPM to pull the 540+ lb bike up (yet)...would you believe me?

That Dyno sheet says stock,with the 'goodies' on there...yes.Fine...no prob.HOWEVER...there is NO name associated with that sheet.No information as you would find on a dyno showing whose bike it is...or even what year that dyno was run...OR what year of bike that was.Generic information...that's what I see.I've never seen a dyno sheet with as little information as this one you posted.

* Last updated by: Grn14 on 12/29/2011 @ 12:42 PM *

That's right off Ivan's website green, his phone number is right there on the graph. Give him a call and he'll explain everything to you, might be the best nickel you ever spent. And yes, he's most likely working on mods for your 14R.

What if I was to tell you that I DID dyno mine.And what if I told you the max HP was 182.And the torque was 112.@ 11,200.And my bike with the ignition deal(for response)and the lighter cans and the 16/43 gearing...at 1500 rpm I was just starting to get rolling into the low meat of the range....but no wheelies at 1500.

Grn, I'm going to give you the benny of the doubt. Were you one of the Brock Bangers, ragging on him about business integrity? Or was that someone else? I bring Brock up, because he showed 113 grunt and change. That was close to book @ 114lb-ft. However, that was with a lot of work. And yours when through a pipe, an advancer, a map in one sitting> On the dyno?

That bike then, was one of the ringers they didn't catch, or you broke it in well.

I think green taught Brock everything he knows!

Remember...I said "what if?"

No,I never had my bike dyno'ed.I've NO idea what she had HP wise or Torque wise.I only threw out an hypothetical thing to 'kinda' prove a point.IF that's your bike Kruz...I'm thinking it's doing well....IDK.I don't know WHAT a zx14 with stock engine and all SHOULD be laying down.Not a clue.

The deal about Brock...jackin him like I first did...THAT was wrong...very.I don't even know WHY I went in that direction to begin with.I was probably pissed about my own situation at the time,and deflected my feelings towards him.

Course Hub...I like to THINK I broke her in well....but really,IDK.Who REALLY knows?She definitely had plenty of go power.Ran some nice top end numbers(mph).Never burned oil,never faltered.A great bike really.The best I ever had.She'd wheelie if I wanted...thing is...I was kinda scared to really gas er at low RPMs cause she did want to move right along.The real 'lift' hit with mine was around 3K.That's when she began to wake up..at 5k...it was on.I didn't do much of that cause that 3 to 5k hit was like...'nope,back off now'.I've no doubts she would have done a 12:00 easily had I stayed in it.Plenty of times.Once she started loftin...the lift just became more and more...well....quick.I didn't want to wreck my baby.I would have loved to see someone who actually KNEW how to wring er out like that take er for a spin...show me some stuff.But there isn't anyone here that could do that.

Nah...I don't doubt that's your bike Kruz.If you say she lifts at 1500...who am I to say 'it won't happen'.Hell,IDK.I guess it could with the right pilot.

You mentioned 'he's probably working on mods for the zx14R right now"...I'd imagine he is.I can wait.

Thing is...I got a nice 100 mile ride in today...temps were 40 degrees.Ktrc "off".I was tryin to pay extreme attention to all the details of the new bird...the ride quality,shifting.Power.Power delivery.Engine noise.All of it.

I don't want to go on and on about my bike.Couple of things hit me though while drivin.

I was trying to 'compare' in my mind the differences between my 07 and this one.One thing really stood out.It's a 14....the platform and characteristics are 14 all the way.I know that's like...well,duh.But it just seemed to make an impression on me cause we were all sayin how different it is.(well,I was anyway).In truth...It IS VERY different.But in some very subtle ways.Good ways I mean.

Today the roads were dry and traffic was spread out .I had lots of road to go up through the gears,and down.Gassing her,cruising her.Rpm wise,from 2000 to 10,000...with a 'shift/acelleration' on up to the redline...but not into it.Three or four runs of that.Several power pulls..in various gears and speeds.

One thing that 14 owners will find really nice about this new bike...missed shifts are a thing of the past.The notchy feel of the trans is pretty much gone.This bike will gladly and smoothly shift at almost any speed,any gear without the use of the clutch.Upshifting OR downshifting.They really refined this part of the bike.I could stay on the gas at a constant speed,and literally downshift all the way into first without the bike jerking...and I'm not exaggerating either.No clutch.Same as upshifting.They did a great job on this.I don't know if this is a slipper clutch deal or what...but it's very very welcome.

Ricky Gadsen said that the aceleration of this bike will feel not unlike a guy powering up in a fighter jet.I was wondering you know...that's a bit over the top.But today...at one point in my ride...I got on the gas and I think I was in second when I did it.I powered all the way up to like 10k.This was was with maybe....3/4 throttle application.As I approached the upper rpms,I think it began around 6k,I actually started to feel dizzy...this is no shit here.I never felt that way on my other bike,no matter how much gas I powered up with.Or how low my starting point gear was.That kick or whatever it is just wasn't present in my other bike....and she had PLENTY of midrange power...more than enough.It really kinda caught me offguard.The Ktrc was off...so the tire was getting full traction..and wasn't slipping that I could feel.You can feel the KTRC actuating under certain conditions.You shut it off,you can get full traction without opening her up all the way.It felt pretty incredible actually.She's not even near broken in...and performing like this?Sheesh.

Bunch of other cool stuff I noticed as well...but that's for another time maybe.Ergos....extremely nuetral...no fidgeting at all during the ride.They've done something to the actual placement of things which(to me) make her feel more compact and responsive.The front fairing really directs the wind out and away from me.Made the whole ride much better IMO.

At this point...there's a lot I could go on about that's really gonna make this bike for me a real keeper.I can just say...I'm glad I traded my 07 for this bike...honestly.To me it's just that much farther along in the areas I would have wanted to have 'different' with my other bike.I really can't see any reason for modifying this new machine for 'more' of anything.Really.I haven't even scratched the surface or the performance of this bike.I know that.I'm very pleased with mine so far.VERY.

I didn't try to wheelie today..but in first gear,and opening her up momentarily...she lifted EASILY.Happened so fast,it surprised me.And the RPM's were NOT very far along.Gonna be a fun bike...that's for sure.

BTW...the Metzlers performed really well..in the cold...they stick just fine leaned over and powering through.Very nice tires.Smooth.Quiet.No ear plugs needed with this bike...not the way it's set up now anyway.

I did do a 'takeoff' runfrom a stop,and gassed her up through several gears...but not wide open by any means.I had the KTRC on to "1"...full power on the engine mode selection.As soon as she began totorque up,the KTRC was kicking in and stopping wheel spin.I couldn't feel it...but the bar graph was showing the amount of traction control that was going on.It was going all the way over to the right ,and back down again as the bike gained momentum.'Very cool' I was thinkin.

* Last updated by: Grn14 on 12/29/2011 @ 5:03 PM *

Grn, The deal is, I don't think like that. Brock is a hard working individual and there is respect for that guy. His is one of many to beat, if you want to peg a star in your portfolio = The baRazors. Muzzy and the like, raise the bar. I'd be a fool to go after them. I'd hire a tuner. Besides, I'm just razzing Brock's [Olympic foot lift] on a scale from 1 to 10. Fun is fun no matter how you look at it.

Oh, and now it's your fault. You threw Brock under the bus, and you are calling out more people to wait right there, you're turning the bus around. I get it. Brock wasn't here to defend himself; he feels award flying back and forth between sites. I just picked him up, flung him against the fan so the odor keeps it in peespective is the Bumpiss.

Once she started loftin...the lift just became more and more...well....quick.I didn't want to wreck my baby.I would have loved to see someone who actually KNEW how to wring er out like that take er for a spin...show me some stuff.But there isn't anyone here that could do that.

That's exactly what I'm saying. I had a female californiaroll me this morning. She just kept on going. She showed no courtesy. She, I now had to get away from something like that. Here is where the R should have been under me. The front end begins dancing, you figure this stock pipe is making a sweet note against the freeway on ramp wall. I'm sucking this all in. The rpm's I have no clue, I'm short shifting, timing to flow in with the rest of traffic.

If I had K-eepitdown, I'd have the wheel locked in hover this high, ho-ho-ho no, this wheel needs some de-'06'ing. But, you can't find anyone to ride that bike and de-joe-average find the buttons are actually pissing slow for some in the [over] joe-A cat ear gory. The electronics couldn't even rip a band-aid off your [b]statement. That means, even RG is not good enough to ride your R. That means, you shit and won't take on blood to find out how this bike actually takes off. And that tells me, I would not have you as a co-14R, take the next tank full on the bike flat out.

Blue, it is WOT and WATT it is. I think you really are not wringing it's throttle circumference out. I think I may have more psi than your old blue bike. I think I recognized a tuning bump in the oil level. I think I lost oil before my average dump @ 2,700 say the entries in the owner's manual. We will never know about that compression reading and what you think was something powerful after so many miles and how many air cleaners were replaced? Oh, you had the more wider fiber, you are going to tell me you have less microns than me pulling out the pleats.

I think I like to argue a point. I bring in the only answer(s) I know are going to come from that FSM. There is an absolute to that book or the bike does not light back up. It shows steps. The reason why I dig you so much, Grn, is our point/counter-point. See, I use that dildo for certain reasons. There are things that you are not told about in that manual(s). As if the translation is not understandable in any language?

If we took that dil, used it as a fork, my forks would be held steady. You would ignore the book, begin to tell someone to jerk off your fork up and down. That is why I use that dil. It shows action that words I can't explain about pointing out things. So count this one as one more yes or no?

Grn? Look at me in the face. YOur bike does not burn oil, you never added oil to all those ton loads, tire wearunsayesore no.

Hey, check the food cart. BG's gone all out!

Need more posts like that real world feel but at 40 degrees roads are cool dual compound tires will slip. Now that I have a pilot power one compound I notice extra grip in the cold. Another point on dual compound rear in cold my rear tire wears out fast you can see the marks from slippage but really can't feel it happening however.

Got some pics today in the Sunlight.Just a couple right here.

* Last updated by: Grn14 on 12/29/2011 @ 5:50 PM *

A lost R&Day... Oh man, you were right in the rubble and no tire [mode] marks, barney? Nice joe-A photos, btw. Marlboro man landscape.

So Grn, How much grape do I need to squeeze a ye or nay on the oil level. Did you ever remove the ram's service door to take a peek? YOu pump that kind or rpm, she is going to pump into that chamber if not wet it some. That is oil, my man. That came out of the crankcase, my man. Where this just lowered your window level, my man.

We need one of them; I never added a drop but I have a joe-A throttle vs. I'm always adding oil, but damn, that compression is high and my plugs are nowhere near foul looking or oil wet in appearance.

BOOTS! It's getting deep in here...

Oh look, pizza [shoe] boxes

Looks good green, time for some tasty pipes now. Rode my 14 tonight, 1500 may be a bit of an exaggeration as 2000 was under 20 mph in first gear. I punched her in the kidneys at 2000 and she straightened my arms, really pulls.

New bike sounds fun, thanks for the ride report!

Bike is sharp, but you gotta lose the Japanese lettering you added.

I can't take em off now...they're part of the package!I like em.For now.

Thanks Kruz...I'm long winded,you know that...I DO talk too much.Pipes?I have those CS ONES here...just waiting now for V&H to call me or whatever and let m know they have a set of 2012 new midpipes for me.I'm not real sure it NEEDS to be piped tell ya the truth.(well,I mean,not NEEDS to,but...you know what I mean).I'd like to NOT need to PCIII or whatever if I don't have to.The power from 1100 on up is just really good.No burbling or bucking or any of the weird stuff that happens when the fuel deal is messed with.No surge...nothing.Just even all the way.

I checked the speedo again against a roadside speedtrap thing...dead on at 45 mph.So no healer on this baby .

Hub...I'm not sure which bike you're referring to about oil consumption.This one has full syn in it right now.(changed out at 85 miles).My 07....I rarely added oil.ONCE in a great while.Never fouled or wet any plugs on there.Never washed through the airbox or anything.Full syn on that one as well.Nah,it was a good motor...even with as many top speed wide open pinned throttle runs as I did...it took it in stride.I think the longest stretch between oil changes on that baby was 5k one time.Totally forgot to do it.When I DID finally realize what was up,I drained it and it still had the red hue to it,but it did need changing.

I'm watching the oil in this one...so far(which aint much)....it still looks 'new red'.

I was pullin down 33.8 mpg today a couple of times(avg).But that was with a lot of throttle variations.Gonna be interesting to see finally how many mpg this bird is gonna do up ahead.The cockpit display(s) are really well positioned..no real looking DOWN at em too much.Easy to just glance and see what ya need to know.The selector switch works very good to scroll through the menus and such.And that "select" button is very cool.She resets to KTRC 1 mode with every engine shutoff.But the switch makes it real easy to pick the mode again with the key on,and set by pushing the selector button in to set.Krc 1 you really don't feel anyway...gotta be breakin her loose for it to do anything..so that's cool.

I think my highest engine temp today was right about 150,somewhere right in there.40 degrees outside...that's another cool little deal on there..the 'outside temp' gauge.

She idles smooth and stable.No hunting.The cam chain noise is gone.At every startup...nothing.Today first startup after sitting for at least a week...quiet,Totally.Did her little 'cold start' higher RPM thing for about one minute...then settled in to a sweet idle.NO DRAMA.1st gear clunk...virtually gone.It sounds on thse videos like it's not changed.It has.Drastically!

Motor has a really fine sound to it while rollin.Deep,mellow...steady.Strong sounding...different from my 07(with the stock pipes).When I did finally open er up a bit...she has a very nice sound...not a scream...but pretty mean sounding actually for stock mufflers.And I haven't really even gotten on her at all.Most of my throttle inputs were like,maybe...1/3rd to 1/2 amount.At cruise,it was barely even open.4K and around there in 5th or 4th or 6th...she just purrs along....barely feel the bike under ya.But just enough mechanical feel to know yer on a really nice strong bike.

Handling is quick and solid.No wandering leaned in.Bike feels completely neutral.Goes right where you aim it,immediately.I couldn't notice any adverse feeling of weight at all...felt lighter than my 07(except when backing up),and when I did a few u-turns,she just turned right around...no feeling of tip or anything.Really pleased with the handling.They've rearranged the forks somehow...it feels like the steering is just 'right there'..No reaching for the bars and stuff.That struck me...no turning around drama.My 07...I had to really pat attention when u-turning...it never really felt like it was gonna stay upright..unless I was doing about 6 mph or so...then it was iffy to make the turn.Not this bike.

The seating position(I like to sit up close to the tank)...for me is perfect at 6'1".They did something with the prg position AND it feels like the placement of the tank as well.Very subtle,but my other baby,I used to have to lean in pretty good to rest my forearms on the tank when cruising and rlaxing.THis one....I was sitting almost upright,mis set,and I was able to get my arms in the same basic position easily.Without leaning way in.It does in fact feel more together if that's a close description for the ergos.The bars feels totally in the right spot...no more risers for me.Hands felt great...no wrist deals or anything.I'm totally pleased so far with this baby.Gonna be a really fun season.

You know..when I did a few times open er up,and sustained the higher rpm range for a wee bit...she really was sounding just awesome.Really nice...those stock cans.10k comes up REAL QUICK with this engine...but you just sense she's gonna keep going on up.I didn't push her much.Just a tad.800 more miles till...."Come Fly with Me"!!!!!

* Last updated by: Grn14 on 12/29/2011 @ 10:18 PM *

Nice pics and thanks for the info Green. Enjoy!

* Last updated by: dragking on 12/29/2011 @ 10:56 PM *

Looks great in the sun and nice review on what feels new or diferent!

Thanks Coot!I left a lot out.Maybe some other time.You think I should lose the lettering?

* Last updated by: Grn14 on 12/29/2011 @ 11:45 PM *

You think I should lose the lettering?

Very well then...it stays!

This is the way my 14 wheelies. No BS, it's not easy to get the front right up off the ground w/o clutching it down low. This is stock gearing w/Tsukigi Cannon and map+ATune adjustments. Roll open quick to WOT 1st gear. I haven't the stones to keep on the gas and do a fast click to 2nd. You can hear I am hesitating while I sheet myself. I wouldn't snap the throttle right to the stop. Not below 3K. WAYYY too much labor on the engine, not healthy, add clutch to lift rpm, okay but there you basically have a drag launch gonna wheelie no problem.

Now at 45T rear, I'm sure it will lift right up but still not below 5K I don't think. Haven't tried it out yet. Last summer was pretty mellow. Too bad had the bike out for most of the season....but I'LL BE BOCK!

I really have to make these things shorter.

Thanks Kruz...I'm long winded,you know that...I DO talk too much.

* Last updated by: Rook on 12/30/2011 @ 10:41 AM *