So I got my bike runnin last night after being torn apart all winter and having done a myriad of things half of which I had actually forgot about. I walked into my bike shop without the bike on my lift and had to stop a second because I was so used to seeing the bike in there.
So anyways, I was getting a little anxious about starting up the bike before properly setting up the PCV for the first time. So I pulled out the software CD and installed it to my shop laptop and looked for instructions. I was alarmed at the lack of introduction to the system contained on the CD. It had a video link to youtube for actual mechanical install of the unit which IMO is a no-brainer, but nothing about what needs to be done with the software or for that matter changing maps.
Now I have soldered together my own system before albeit a stand-alone EFI IGNITION system called the Megajolt for my buggy which is basically the same premise of adjustable cells on the laptop only difference being adjusting timing advance instead of fuel mixture/duration. Basically the interfaces were the same with the real time Tach and all. I figured out I had to load the Maps from the installation CD on to the laptop, then I was able to bring them up on the screen (speaking of which there is no telling what the map is for untill you load it and read the notes which is a waste of energy). Then just like my megejolt I just load them onto the box and done. What a disappointment. All that cool stuff on the screen and I just push a button and it's done just like that no fan-fare or nothing. I paid $99 and got the fun of assembling the unit from individual pieces with the Megajolt and then had to design my own map from scratch and can even add a fuel programmer (if the car was EFI that is) for a few more bones and I have the same thing as the $250 PCV which does exaclty the same thing and it's another $210 for the Auto-tune and, I think I saw, $300 for the Ingition module. What a scam. I just hope in my search for doo-hicky-dom that the Auto-tune gives me more substance with which to fiddle with.
And what about these people who I hear saying they had to zero the throttle sensor or some chit? Did I miss this crucial step or is that an iteration of the PC 3USB? I really wanted to load up a map for something totally wrong for my bike just so I could hear the damn thing do something different to the bike with the push of a button but it got too dark out and cold so I wrapped it up.

I just think it's amazing how industry tries to blow advances in technology up into great mystifying gadgets, but when you get right down to it, it's very simple and boring. And it always was. Maybe if I could hook more sensors up to the bike and have more virutal guages on my laptop bouncing all over as I make inputs to the bike I could get a little more excited but in the end the sobering fact is that my bike still starts and rolls down the road just like it did before only difference is I took a couple hundred dollars and velcro'ed them to my rear fender. I don't feel all super human now like I hoped I would. The bike still makes lots o power,enough that I will not see a difference in that new gadget untill I decide to spend more moola down the road. Which I guess is what I knew I was getting into. But at the moment, now that the shinyness of new doo-hickey-dom has faded I'm left with a little disappointment and... a need to spend more money! LOL

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Damn, now that IS dissapointing to hear, Edge. Thanks for sharing the info though. So it really made no difference?

* Last updated by: kdii02 on 4/22/2011 @ 9:35 AM *

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You know it's hard to tell. The only engine mods I've done is the BMC filter, got rid of the smog junk ontop of the engine, and the PCV with stock exhaust. So really there is nothing to BE gained. A Dyno is the only thing that I think would show a difference with so little done. I more or less was just making fun of the whole experience and my unrealistic expectations. I ran the bike for maybe a total of fifteen minutes to get new gas in the tank and fool around for a second and make sure the rear wheel didn't fly off and I got the new pad broken in a bit. I was babying it ontop of that. But while I was playing with the maps I was kinda surprised that a map for ALL stock equipment ran exactly the same as the map for all stock except air filter and O2 disabler (BTW what the hell is that?lol). Again that is just by ear and not under any kind of definitive measurement by any device.

The real reason I decided to get the PCV now instead of when I get my exhaust system upgraded is because my stock pipes get a soot buildup around the opening and I was hoping to be able to adjust and get rid of that richness somehow. Now that I realize how the system is set up I see how futile that might be with out getting a dyno print-out and seeing exactly where I'm rich and comparing that to my map to make my changes. I'm betting however, that it located across the crossover where the computer is slowing down the flies which I haven't felt the need to remove yet. Who knows, maybe just by replacing with the PCV and the map that came with it I will never see that soot again.

On a side note; the bike did sound a bit louder than before. Not only did I think this when I first started it up but my wife came home while I had it on the laptop idling and she made a comment about the loudness without any prompting from me which makes me think maybe the lack of smog increased a couple decibels. It's been so long since I heard my baby maybe it's just me lol

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I'm curious, what RPM do most of you like to set idle at?

I ended up just a touch over 1K.
I've had bikes that sound good at 900 and some that wouldn't run well under 12 or 13.

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Who knows, maybe just by replacing with the PCV and the map that came with it I will never see that soot again.

Nope, If you look at that map you just installed you will see they have added fuel everywhere. More soot coming.

1100 rpm.

haha, I just found the literature telling me what do with my software and setting up the maps. It was in the box, now why the hell they go and put it somewhere so damn obvious?lol

yeah that's what I was figuring Romy.

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Good points Edge. I'm still on the fence on ordering the darn PC V. I'm just running the K&N and Muzzy Slipons. It seems to run OK, but of course I suffer from Doo-Hicky-Dom must haves myself. Considering what you mentioned so far, maybe I should just velcro $279 cash under my seat and we could see if the two bikes run head to head LOL

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Ooo! Don't pay that much! You can find it cheaper by at least $20. lol Well in your case I would get it when you can afford it and pay to have the bike dynoed and custom mapped if you want. I think they charge about $250 in my area for custom mapping which seems like a lot but it isn't.
I have yet to find a shop I'd be willing to take mine to and be satisfied they did a good job. Most listed in the PC literature for Michigan are Harley stealers.
Not gonna do it!

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Yea, I was gonna get it from Fuel Moto with the pre-installed map for my setup. I don't have a local dealer or shop for Dyno'ing either. Sucks.

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The only engine mods I've done is the BMC filter, got rid of the smog junk ontop of the engine, and the PCV with stock exhaust. So really there is nothing to BE gained.

I'm curious, what RPM do most of you like to set idle at?
I ended up just a touch over 1K.

Kaw recommends 1100 for idle. I went down to ~1000 last year. That seems to soften the clunk into gear from idle. I think blue07 uses 900 rpm idle speed. Mine seems to idle a bit faster in the cold even after it warms up.

Yea, I was gonna get it from Fuel Moto with the pre-installed map for my setup.

Got mine from Fuelmotousa with their stock map installed. Did not seems to make a big change in my stock bike w flies out(i don't think the map was for flies out). Seemed a tiny bit more linear and possibly was running a little cooler. No need to put on a stock bike at all. but a good thing to have in place for AFR impacting mods.

My feeling on this stuff is that if you know enough about it already and you know you can rig something up as good or maybe you know it is not necessary---then do that. I would spend 100s of hours studying before i could come make a valid judgement as to how to make a AFR manangement system or if such a doohicky is even needed. I'd rather follow the crowd and spend the $$. That is a lot cheaper than making my own way.

Time and again, I find it best to follow the crowd of rabid enthusiasts when you choose mods. Reinventing the wheel is usually more expensive in the longrun especially when you consider the time it takes.

The cheapest thing is to just NOT know about this stuff at all. We would all be thrilled with our stock bikes. Too late.

* Last updated by: Rook on 4/22/2011 @ 5:49 PM *

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I idle about 950, reduces the 1st gear clunk
I also got the throttle bodies balanced, made things much smoother and easier to lower the idle.
My flies are gone so I add fuel (PC3) below 4000rpm. I also add 5deg advance across the board.
I also discovered that my commuting uses less than 2% throttle. makes tuning hard when there are only 2 TPS values 0% and 2%. I wish there was a 1%. Sounds insane, but cruising at 60kph in 3rd gear registers less than 2%

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6R

The Power commander 5 install for the 6R was a bit of a shit show. I placed the unit where" I" wanted it and then hooked up all the wires before removing Gas tank. Only to find out bike has top and bottom injectors. Ok, instructions tell me bottom set. Ok, now all the gas lines had to be removed to get hands underneath. Ok, no biggy. Now,,,,,,,what a bitch to get injectors unplugged. Anddddddd , now that they are unplugged, which new plug from the power commander interfaces with it ????????. The pricks do not label the injector plugs(ugh). The instructions have NO one to four #s on the plugs or color code numbering, NO fuck all. Guessing game now begins times four. What I ended up doing was going by the wire length to install new plugs. Stupid stupid stupid.

I ran my harness down the middle of the bike so had a 50 50 shot of getting it Wright. And sure enough I get it wrong. Fuccccckkkkkk. Now gas tank back off and repeat process.
Anyway all good now but I was pissed. What's wrong with #'s one to four or color codes,,, something. Should not be guessing at something as important as that.

The map from the internet sucks. Running the leovince map instead of the Akra one for now.

On a happy note, Got the wife's new plastics all on. She loves it.

Rant over lol

never tried a DJ map but I heard they were nothing special. The FuelMoto map for a stock 14 was not any big change. just a bit better smoothing out the below 3.5K response. The map I got from a recognized tuner made a nice improvement across the powerband but that was with the pipe on there too.. The autotune was another step toward perfection.

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Welcome To My Shit Show

I just spent 6 more hours on that fucking power commander V. I would like to grab those guys at Dyno jet and feed them their own nuts. First injector plugs not labeled now this.

From what I can tell the unit is losing the throttle position sensor wire from the ECU. Those in line splice connectors they give us are to blame,,,,,,,, I think……. Feels like the bike falls off the map and has a skip. The weird part is this Can happen any where in the RPM range. So I removed the unit completely to prove this point, but only after 4 reinstalls first.(ugh)

It's now back in the bike and all wires are connected directly not those shit but splices they give us. PRICKS. Will test again tomorrow but giving rain.

If you guys are using those inline connectors, scotch locks or but splices on those 20 awg wires expect trouble down the road. Had the same troubles with them at work. U know, problems you can't duplicate or won't do it while your there, I should have known better. Got lazy and paid 4 it. Full day wasted.

I hope this helps in some way

Glad the 14 was plug and play.

Sorry, feel better now. Sorta ? Had to vent. Some more.

What I meant to say was Happy Easter guys, hoped you enjoyed your day off Lol.

Sorry you are having such trouble, Romans. I don't think Dynojet really spends much time making sure the owner of the bike can install the piggy easy.

The PC3 was easy, but it doesn't have the complexity of the PC5.

I wonder if they provided the wrong scotch locks. Are they not making good contact with the little 20 AWG wires? Or cutting them?

Anyway, hope your Easter was a chance to relax and get away from it a bit.

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Sorry you are having such trouble, Romans. I don't think Dynojet really spends much time making sure the owner of the bike can install the piggy easy.

Hey thanks bro. I said to the wife some day I would like to write directions. It is not hard to do this install and any Joe with average tools could pull it off. Things become difficult when they trip you up by leaving out really simple pieces of info. No need for that kind of BS. If I did not love there products I would place them on the never again list. I guess you can't have it both ways all the time.