Well...yesterday I took a member's comment and checked things for myself.I had the KTRC turned to 1.On a dirt road....I powered up in 1st.Gassed her.The wheel started spinning...but before she could get all the way sideways...that Ktrc put the Kaibosh on that.Tried it a few times.Same deal...it works...BUT,I think the ECU flash(flies opening sooner) MAY..and I say may have caused the KTRC to react a tad slower than I would 'expect"?IDK.I didn't try the other two modes.I should...and will.She squirmed abit to the right...but stayed 'pretty controllable'.I could see it saving yer azz on a slippery surface or gravel take off.The "1" mode is the LEAST intrusive(course..you guys know this).Also...with this bike..anyone who has one...if you gas er and she begins to sound like she's missing..even though you don't think she's losing grip...she is.Just thought I'd share that with ya cause after I got my Exhaust and all...I gassed her good...she popped right up...yah...but it didn't 'kick in' until I had gone several several feet,and the rpms were climbing fast.I thought it was a problem with the new mapping...it wasn't.It was the Ktrc.You don't need to be wheelying to have it actuate...guess that's what I'm getting at.It can kick in on hard "passing type" take offs as well.Roll ons.And when you shut it 'off'...it's off.No doubt about that

Gonna go now and get some filming in..you guys have an awesome day....

* Last updated by: Grn14 on 5/25/2012 @ 1:32 PM *

I am looking forward to see your video! Enjoy your Memorial Day weekend!

NINJA ZX-14 MotoVlog

* Last updated by: KoflaOlivieri on 5/25/2012 @ 1:44 PM *

Right on...thanks..you too Bro!Lots of Dui's out there...stay on yer game!

I notice the KTRC more now with the pipes changed. Kind of sounds like it is hitting the rev limiter, only not as loud. I'm sure it did it just as much with the stock cannons, you just couldn't hear the stutter/ missing sound.

feels odd when rear leaves the ground over a hump and doesnt spin up

Excellent write up Green!!!!

Motero....I did some runs today testing my trans...seeing if I could get mine to do what yours was(is) doing.I tried every combo of shifting I could think of.Focused on 4-3....I did it just like you said....4th gear,slowing....roll off fuel...pull in clutch....downshift.She clicked right in each time...no clunking at all.I have this on video as well...I'm uploading my today's ride right now.I don't know where on the video it is yet...but it's there.Downshifting with clutch...downshifting without clutch....holding the throttl at the same rpms...with clutch,shifting down,without clutch,shifting down.The only combo I could 'kind of' get her to (barely) clunk was from 2nd to first while holding the clutch in,throttle off.But it surely wasn't anything dramatic.Not at all...not like the earlier 14's.I did notice,and I think I mentioned this on another thread...there IS a teensy,almost unnoticeable split second "catch" when I release the lever after pulling it ALL THE WAY IN....but it ONLY does it maybe once every ride?I don't know what it is actually...apparently nothing to freak about...maybe it's that slipper in there...being 'used' after she's warmed up?IDK....It's not something you would really feel...I just happened to a while back.Doesn't seem to be getting worse or anything.It's nothing really IMO.Everything is working fine with mine?

I commented before about how I wasn't totally convinced yet that the 14R's trans and clutch combo was 'better' than the Busa's.I always felt my buddie's Busa shifted really nice and tickish.I have to say here now...the 14R trans and all has got the Busa beat....compared to my 07...which had a shift star in there...this new trans is light years ahead.I'll admit...today...while speed shifting in a couple of spots...I missed the upshift to 4th.It's in my vid.But for some reason today....I didn't 'try' to 'save it' by pulling in the clutch and chopping the throttle.I was very surprised to notice that when it got to it's 'right' mesh speed..it popped in...and really wasn't too bad.It wasn't the bike's fault.It was mine.I didn't toe her up far enough...(talking about 3-4th here).I noticed with my own shifting....depending on how fast and quickly I want to go through the gears...I will toe up from 1st and snick right on through to 6th...BUT...from 3-4,I have a slight tendency to rush the move.All the other shifts come out fine every time.So I gotta be a bit more forceful when going from 3-4 powering on up.I don't use my clutch when I rip on up the gears.I will if I'm 'kinda' powering up.But not usually.

This trans to me anyway feels a lot more 'compact' and solid than my 07.The possibility of missing shifts is always there...but I feel that shifting with this new deal is WAY more precise and strong.It definitely feels more rugged and smooth to me.

* Last updated by: Grn14 on 5/25/2012 @ 6:53 PM *

Heya Coot...still friend's?I was pissed at ya...I apologize for cuttin ya like that...honestly.None of that shit matters...It's all ancient history .

I don't know if having that KTRC in the "1" position will save ya leaned over and suddenly losing grip...like in some oil or something...I'm not gonna try to see if it will...But it does kick in at hard power ons and low speeds.Probably 2 or 3 would be 'safer' if you're actually planning on cornering at ballistic speeds.I MIGHT try that

UK said..."I notice the KTRC more now with the pipes changed"....hmmmm...yep...me too.You think it's...because she's 'breakin loose' easier now with some room to breathe? I cught that right away after I got that Brock's system and ECU flash+PCV Brock's map .

* Last updated by: Grn14 on 5/25/2012 @ 7:00 PM *

KTRC is quite a bit more noticeable after a few mods. Lately for fun I have been cruising around town in KTRC 2, lots of fun. With the HM Quickshifter I go WOT in 1-2 and it wheelies, then KTRC kicks in and lowers it, then it does it again 2-3... Fun shit!
I agree with you about KTRC 1, it probably will not save you being leaned way over.... Might even cause a high side.

* Last updated by: seno on 5/25/2012 @ 7:16 PM *

I think you guys have a version of S-KTRC similar to the ZX10R.

The 2012 Concours 14 has the "old" KTRC but its been tweaked so that it is basically invisible until you need it. I can turn it off, but I leave it on because it never bothers me.

ABS on the other hand, known as KACT on the Connie, is a different beast. I keep it off on purpose all the time, except in the rain and when I'm slabbing it.

My dad and i re-did his driveway with 28 tons of gravel in March. In all 3 active modes that ECU will NOT let me throw stones.

IMO...the KTRC/ECU flash(secondaries opening sooner)is affecting the activation time...OR...the way it does what it does trying to use those secondaries in synch with the ignition cut?.That's my opinion.If I put my stock ecu back in there...I could find out for sure...but I like things as they are right now...

I tell ya...these 14R's are totally bitchen...WAY nice running and strong as hell

These several past rides...I've changed up the way I get from A to B.Mainly to see how much I can squeeze outta these 'new' tires.Cruising like at 55,60,65(in 3rd or 4th)...the bike is WAY smoother than I remember my 07 being.And actually more enjoyable rolling at those speeds...to get from A to B that is .Geez...I get er up to like...100...she's rollin so sweet...it's amazing really to me.And I thought my 07 was smooth.SHEESH!I don't even use 6th most of the time...she's really glass in 5th.

* Last updated by: Grn14 on 5/25/2012 @ 8:14 PM *

Heya Coot...still friend's?I was pissed at ya...I apologize for cuttin ya like that...honestly.None of that shit matters...It's all ancient history

This trans to me anyway feels a lot more 'compact' and solid than my 07.The possibility of missing shifts is always there...but I feel that shifting with this new deal is WAY more precise and strong.It definitely feels more rugged and smooth to me.

ABS on the other hand, known as KACT on the Connie, is a different beast. I keep it off on purpose all the time, except in the rain and when I'm slabbing it.

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IDK about anyone else here with their 14R...but there are PLENTY of times I've been able to get 50+mpg in 5th(somewhere around 60 mph,maybe 3K rpms?Something in there)....that's on the 'current' setting.If I didn't gas er so much on them sweepers...I'm pretty sure my average would be up around 40 something at least.At one point today...I was at a half tank(cruising)...checked my 'range' ....108 miles.So it IS possible to get some excellent milage out of a tank IF you're doing it right.That's pretty significant I think.That handlebar selector is the shit.WAY cool upgrade.I like the way I can put er in 'current' mode...and check out just HOW my throttling/speed/gearing is affecting the mileage.Very nice.I don't use the AVG mode ever...

* Last updated by: Grn14 on 5/25/2012 @ 8:24 PM *

Hit humpback bridge on way home tonight,in air momentarily, when you land the power isnt there,its cut for a second or so, thats on ktrac3,ill try it again on the other settings,
Grn, I defo have more clunk than click, upshift smooth as silk
Back to dealer tomorrow to sort out nut/bolt on headstock,lost nut from one this eve,

I think she just needs a good period of agressive downshifting to get er smoothed out some.Nothing nutso...damaging...but makin her work some(not that you aren't..."flying over the bridge" )

You and Jafo outta get together...ya'll could start a "flying 14's" club or somethin

* Last updated by: Grn14 on 5/25/2012 @ 8:31 PM *

"ill try it again on the other settings"....yup...sounds right.Turn that puppy OFF if ya need 'instantaneous' kick!You'll get the whole shebang!BTW..checked out your pics over on another thread here...sweet bike man....Black...VERY NICE.

Okay...going out AGAIN to check my bracket bolts...they were fine the first time I checked em(like 3 wks ago).

Well...the top one was tight as it could be...the bottom one...took about a half turn....not really loose...but it wanted some snugging up.

Motero...I think as you get some more strong miles on her...runnin through those gears...she's gonna smooth up for ya.I don't really remember IF mine was notchy or clunky when I first got her...I was too busy thinking on other things...but I did immediately check the N to 1st feel...to me...it was WAY improved over my 07.WAY.

When I slow up and shift down with the clutch into say...2nd from 3rd...I don't hold that lever in very long....everyone's different.I tried holding long....and short.Mine didn't make any difference,which I thought it would(and from 4-3rd).I do know shifting down w/out clutching from any gear all the way into first...it will go right in with a teensy throttle chop...not even enough to actually notice.Rolling maybe at around 30 mph or so,staying at that speed and downshifting through evey gear.Shifts right in...no jerking at all.But that aint the same as what you're talking about...I know.

* Last updated by: Grn14 on 5/25/2012 @ 8:48 PM *

Speaking of clutching as such...I've been wondering...with the clutch fully disengaged...and upshifting/downshifting w/out it...is the slipper still smoothing that clutch action as if you were clutching it?I can't tell.I've tried to see if I could notice any feel of 'slight' smoothing while doing this.On mine...I've not been able yet to induce a 'skid' ...downshifting at any speed...w/or w/out clutch.And I've tried..just to see if it would.So far...nothin.The rear hooks immediately from any gearing change at any speed.Anyone know the answer to this?I'm thinkin...it's always buffering the wheel speed change....regardless of whether you're clutching or not.My 07...I could get it to skid just a second when downshifting at speeds.

AND...IF it's working all the time...do you think it could be useful when braking hard?Kind of like a pseudo-ABS?

You guys most likely know this already...I may be late to the party...but....today...I was concentrating on clutch feel...how it disengaged and all...and I found that no matter what speed I was going...shifting and using the clutch by pulling it in BARELY worked much better than fully pulling that lever in(or even partially).Probably old news...but...

* Last updated by: Grn14 on 5/25/2012 @ 11:09 PM *

I know Mr.Jafo!, I was just getting rear wheel off the ground to see what would happen with traction control, ill leave the top gun fly by to Mike

The slipper clutch is only working when the rear wheel speed tries to drive the engine speed faster than it is naturally, if ya know what I mean?

I've got to work on my 3-4 powering out shifts.That's for sure For some reason...when I'm leaned into a left hander and I'm upshifting from 3-4...I'm not getting her clicked 'all the way' in somehow...a couple of times.There's a false nuetral that raises it's ugly head right there.Gotta get that corrected!All other shifting is fine.I don't normally use the clutch when I'm running like that...I don't think I was these last couple of times either.I think I'm 'rushing it'.IDK...I'll find out though.

Interesting that Motero says his clunks into 3rd from 4th...using the clutch and slowing,and I'm getting false neutrals(once in a while)while upshifting from 3rd to 4th w/out clutch acellerating.Hmmmmmm.I'm wondering...if 'pulling' the clutch(in my case)actually causes me be more focused on the toe shift than I would be just shifting quickly and not thinking about pulling the lever?I don't believe it's the bike...no way.It's definitely me....something I'm not doing right(or consistently is more like it?)

IDK anything about transmissions...the specs on em or whatever...but anyone know or think if that 3-4 shift distance COULD be slightly 'longer' somehow(mechanically)?And I'm not getting it?Just kinda weird that it would ONLY be that combination happening....no others.I don't think it's a problem with the dogs or anything...if it were..it would be happening pretty frequently...if not every time,right?

You don't suppose MAYBE I should just stop "not using the clutch" do ya?It should be okay to change gears without it,right?

* Last updated by: Grn14 on 5/26/2012 @ 1:11 PM *

My opinion on clutchless shifting: if you shift when the transmission has slack, you cause zero damage. From reading your ride reports
you are already doing that.

BTW: i hope everyone is enjoying the holiday weekend! Me and the Ninjee are on Lake Chautauqua. Lotsa pics... no way to stick em here.

* Last updated by: hagrid on 5/27/2012 @ 7:55 AM *

>>>>>>>>>>>on those pics and all...can't wait!

Hey Grn...looking forward to the video. Where do you have it posted?

My 2012 has just over 1,000 miles and I am starting to open it up. It was humid today and about 85 degrees F and I was riding around in Mode 1. I gave it about 3/4 throttle off the line from a roll in 1st gear and when it got to about 6000 RPM the front wheel came off the ground and I saw the KTRC meter in the dash indicate that it was pulling power. The wheel came back down and I continued to redline. I shifted into second, went WOT, and the wheel came up again. I saw KTRC pull power and the wheel came back down.

KTRC definitely prevents wheelies, but it might be better to shut it off at the track.