Embassador Sondland Throws EVERYONE Under The Bus

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"Documentary filmmaker Michael Moore, who in July correctly predicted Donald Trump would win the White House, back in November said the president-elect’s first term will end in either his resignation or impeachment."

So here we are, four weeks into the new administration, marred by scandal again.

Here are the latest developments in Trump's first four weeks as president:
In my opinion, it is not credible that Michael Flynn would call the Russian ambassador without the president's knowledge. One thing is certain, the number one reason to call him was to discuss has to be sanctions that Obama imposed. If he is going to talk about sanctions, he does not have the authority to tell anything about sanctions unless the president approves it. It is inconceivable to me that Flynn would go and call the Russian ambassador on his own to discuss Russian sanctions without the president's approval.

What would happen if the president of the United States did know about the conversations between his National Security Adviser, to whom he was very close, and the Russian ambassador at the time Flynn placed the calls?

If this same scenario has been happening under a Hillary or Obama presidency, Republicans would be asking for investigations.

The interesting thing is that the Trump administration knew about this matter, and remained quiet for three weeks. Why are they firing Michael Flynn now?

In Another News:
Look at how careless the Trump administration is with the nuclear codes and discussing sensitive information in the open in an unsecured location. And to think that they criticized Hillary for being careless with national security information. Too bad Michael "Lock Her Up" Flynn is out of the picture.

The images show them displaying national secrets in a public place. Can you imagine the uproar if those images depicted Obama or Hillary carelessness with the nuclear codes, and reviewing sensitive intelligence on a hotel, with guests taking selfies of their meeting?

There is talk in Washington that Trump won’t complete one term. Rumor is swirling around that once the GOP get what they want in terms of tax cuts and deregulation, they probably throw him overboard.

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* Last updated by: KoflaOlivieri on 11/20/2019 @ 7:38 PM *

you libs spend more time trying to tear things down rather than build things up.

According to your logic I am a liberal because I oppose Trump policies? lol And you are worried about the time spent in investigations? Tell me how many years were spent investigating Hillary Clinton?

Tell me how do you feel with donors taking selfies with the guy carrying the nuclear codes, and this administration discussing sensitive national security information within earshot of anyone in public for all the world to see and sharing pictures of the event on Facebook?

And while we are at it, tell me which liberal ordered Flynn to contact the Russian Ambassador five times, and then deny that he did?

And are you assuming that the rich donor, spending $200,000 to mingle with Trump at Mar-a-Lago hotel, taking a selfie with the guy carrying the nuclear codes is also a liberal?

as far as i know...flynn resigned.apparently because how he possibly overstepped his bounds.what's the big deal?People do what feel they should.in this case...he felt(apparently)morally wrong with his actions.Nothing wrong with that.Sounds more like a healthy 'clearing' starting at the individual level.I do believe at this point in the Administration's direction(s)that a LOT of people that have been in there for substantial amounts of time are experiencing truth and upholding it from the top down.THIS is what our country needs.I think this presidency is going to bring a much needed boost of integrity.Yeah...people LOVE the status quo when they need not be honest in all their affairs.Trump has said what he's doing,and so far done what he said.That's hard to dismiss. I am amazed that people actually voted for hillary.ANYONE doing a small amount of research will quickly realize...she's a pathological and compulsive liar.She definitely DOESN'T have the clarity of mind to lay down ANY type of game plan that will result in citizen rights to be safe.Let alone dealing with world leaders in a mature and focused way.Basically,that's WHY she isn't president.Thank God.

pretty sure any talking about anything sensitive to 'anyone' at that place was very controlled (by Trump).He's intelligent.And so what about a 'selfy'.Id take one too if I was meeting the President.Some are trying (desperately)to save Hillary from herself...it's too late for that.Trump KNOWS what he's doing.And so do his staffers and all.Hillary did NOT deal with the security issues for our brave citizens in Benghazi.Willfully.They didn't just call right at the attack time.They'd been begging for help for months.She can't get away from the truth.EVER.This is who supporters wanted to be taking care of us americans?Geez...profound really.Because she 'cares' about others?All bullshit.Just ask those that were around her from the maids and such all the way to the top echelon of her position.Definitely mentally ill at some level.No thanks.Our kids and the elderly in this country deserve the utmost care and support from our president.Trump is exactly where he's supposed to be at this time in life.

* Last updated by: Grn14 on 2/15/2017 @ 10:07 AM *

I do believe at this point in the Administration's direction(s)that a LOT of people that have been in there for substantial amounts of time are experiencing truth and upholding it from the top down. THIS is what our country needs. I think this presidency is going to bring a much needed boost of integrity.

We'll, you must be aware that the FBI keeps tabs on phone calls, and if you have been following the news of the past two days, the findings don't look too good.

For those that know about Watergate, as the current White House drama unfolds, remember, "it's not the crime, it's always the cover up".

These people don't seem to be aware that all calls to Russian officials are intercepted by the U.S. government.

What did the President know, and when did he know it?

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Trump Administration Caught In Lie About Campaign Contacts With Russians :

WASHINGTON ? U.S. intelligence and law enforcement agencies have confirmed that President Donald Trump’s campaign aides and associates had constant contact with Russian intelligence officials before the election, directly contradicting public statements made by top administration officials.

Two days after Trump’s victory, Russia’s deputy foreign minister told a reporter in Moscow that “there were contacts” between Russian officials and the Trump campaign.

“Obviously, we know most of the people from his entourage,” he said. That prompted a vigorous denial from Trump spokeswoman Hope Hicks, who insisted there had been “no contact with Russian officials.”

- On Jan. 11, an NBC reporter asked Trump whether members of his staff were in contact with Russian officials during the campaign. “No,” he replied.

- On Jan. 15, Mike Pence was asked basically the same question on two Sunday shows. “Of course not,” he replied on Fox and CBS.

- Yesterday afternoon, Sean Spicer stood by Trump’s earlier denials during the daily briefing when questioned by ABC.

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From the lead story in today's New York Times:

“Phone records and intercepted calls show that members of Donald J. Trump’s 2016 presidential campaign and other Trump associates had repeated contacts with senior Russian intelligence officials in the year before the election, according to four current and former American officials.

American law enforcement and intelligence agencies intercepted the communications around the same time they were discovering evidence that Russia was trying to disrupt the presidential election by hacking into the Democratic National Committee.

The officials said the intercepted communications were not limited to Trump campaign officials, and included other associates of Mr. Trump. On the Russian side, the contacts also included members of the government outside of the intelligence services, they said.

“The call logs and intercepted communications are part of a larger trove of information that the F.B.I. is sifting through as it investigates the links between Mr. Trump’s associates and the Russian government, as well as the hacking of the D.N.C. As part of its inquiry, the F.B.I. has obtained banking and travel records and conducted interviews...

Like I said,it must be exhausting trying to make folks understand your delusions.

Ad hominem are not facts. You are diverting from discussing the topic at hand.

'You are diverting from discussing the topic at hand'...wow..okay..this guy that took these pics apparently just assumed trump was sharing sensitive info.why not just get closer and actually take peek at what's happening right there..instead of blasting out 'our president is a traitor''it 'appears'..yeah,okay.whatever.this guy is HOW old?surely beyond 5th grade,yes?

A picture is worth a thousand words.Maybe Cinton did that...as proven in congress.FACTS.Not 'it appears'

back on topic though...yes,he will...i don't see why he wouldn't.unless some dirtbag finds a way to take his from him.there's gonna be 8 years of trump,and the next president will be trey gowdy.gonna be awesome.

* Last updated by: Grn14 on 2/15/2017 @ 8:07 PM *

Bumpfire,

Not to worry, anyone who takes Mikey Moore seriously for anything but eating a dozen donuts with sprinkles for breakfast is a harmless daydreamer.

Make America Great Again

Will President Donald Trump Last The Full 4 Years?

4 years? Who said anything about only 4 years?

The facts are that I couldn't care less about your nonstop pissing and moaning.The fact that Hillary wasn't elected has me thanking God every day that somehow we will get out of this hole that's been dug the past eight years.the fact that there are bitter,paranoid people in this country who are hell bent on me,me,me is a given.Surely you realize how petty and far reaching you present yourself to be.Just some facts to consider

As Rook said in the Canadian thread, this is the Off Topic section, where people post and rant about any topic one's heart's desire. In fact, here we have two or three anti Obama rants, anti transgenders, and several anti Muslims threads, one of them with over 500 replies. If I don't agree with a discussion or have anything to contribute, I simply skip the discussion.

It is obvious that you care about what you call nonstop pissing and moaning since you are commenting here. Maybe you should start by writing your Republican senators and house representatives, and ask them to stop demanding an investigation on whether officials "mishandled" classified information, and the leaked communication between the current administration and the Russian government.

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House GOP leaders demand Justice Department inspector general probe leaks surrounding Flynn :

House Republican leaders are pressing the Justice Department's inspector general to investigate whether officials "mishandled" classified information, including leaked communications between members of the Russian government and the Trump administration that brought about Michael Flynn's resignation as national security adviser.

In a letter to the inspector general, House Oversight and Government Reform Committee Chairman Jason Chaffetz, R-Utah, and House Judiciary Committee Chairman Bob Goodlatte, R-Va., demanded "an immediate investigation" into whether the leaks broke protocol. They cited "serious concerns about the potential inadequate protection of classified information," pointing to news reports about monitored calls between Flynn and Russian Ambassador Sergey Kislyak, and discussions that former acting attorney general Sally Yates had with White House Counsel Donald McGahn about them.

But other members of the GOP, particularly in the Senate, are frustrated with their party's fixation on leaks over and above the information they exposed.

"All of us know that leaks happen in this town, and we all don't like it - but the fact is that you now have a much larger issue to address," Senate Armed Services Committee Chairman John McCain, R-Ariz., said Wednesday. "The national security adviser lied to the vice president of the United States. That's a pretty serious event."

'Maybe you should start by writing your Republican senators and house representatives, and ask them to stop demanding an investigation on whether officials "mishandled" classified information, and the leaked communication between the current administration and the Russian government'.

and this critical issue should simply be abandoned because some think it's too 'mean-spirited' towards others that NEED to be held accountable for their behaviors and decisions?In all honesty...does this attitude do ANYTHING to keep our country SAFE and all who WANT to be here because we DO pursue injustice.Think about it.What it sounds like to me is...allowing full unaccountability to those who are in positions to make sure we're all safe.Who does the 'fox guarding the henhouse' benefit? i mean...c'mon.IMO making people accountable for there stuff is exactly what is needed to bring the masses back into a place of trust and hope for this country and it's leaders.

* Last updated by: Grn14 on 2/15/2017 @ 11:18 PM *

Apologies Kofla but this pic is where you lost me.
Your team lost the election. Sorry about that mate. You are not the first and won't be the last.
The American people voted. Its not what you wanted but the result is the result. It is what it is.
The majority spoke and won.
You don't have to agree. It's your right.
But protesting and holding offensive signs like that do nothing to work the situation through.
It just divides, enflames and enrages.
Is that really what you want?
I know you disagree with much of what Trump stands for and what he is doing, but you never even gave him a chance?
All you have done is criticize and complain from the very start.
And unfortunately your credibility is not enhanced with comments like the FBI found no proof of Clinton committing any crime in the email scandal, and millions of dollars have been wasted on Clinton investigations into Benghazi and the email scandal with no result when you well and truly know the truth.

For the record, I am not endorsing Trump.
I'm just saying that protesting the winning candidate straight after a democratic presidential election is just not conducive to moving forward...

* Last updated by: yannih on 2/15/2017 @ 11:44 PM *

Michael Moore??!!! LOL!!!! Look! Here's some pictures! Let's make up stuff about them that the liberals will get upset about!
Kofla, I didn't think you were that far over the edge. Try to raise your standards a little if you want anyone with an ounce of intelligence to take you seriously.

Apologies Kofla but this pic is where you lost me.
Your team lost the election. Sorry about that mate. You are not the first and won't be the last.
The American people voted. Its not what you wanted but the result is the result. It is what it is.
The majority spoke and won.
You don't have to agree. It's your right.
But protesting and holding offensive signs like that do nothing to work the situation through.
It just divides, enflames and enrages.
Is that really what you want?
I know you disagree with much of what Trump stands for and what he is doing, but you never even gave him a chance?
All you have done is criticize and complain from the very start.
And unfortunately your credibility is not enhanced with comments like the FBI found no proof of Clinton committing any crime in the email scandal, and millions of dollars have been wasted on Clinton investigations into Benghazi and the email scandal with no result when you well and truly know the truth.
For the record, I am not endorsing Trump.
I'm just saying that protesting the winning candidate straight after a democratic presidential election is just not conducive to moving forward...

Yannih, those now decrying Trump protesters appear to have a short memory. Some people would agree with you that protesting the winning candidate straight after an election is not conducive to moving forward; but that is exactly what our current president did in 2012 immediately after Mitt Romney lost.

Trump encouraged people to march and protest in Washington and called for a revolution.

It is all documented on his twitter feed. And who can forget the birther conspiracy theory?

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I am very proud of my protest sign, and I think my sign is tame compared to some shirts and protest signs I saw at Trump rallies insulting Clinton.

This is the first time I am joining protests. In my opinion, Trump is an authoritarian that ran the most divisive campaign I have witnessed in my lifetime. Some of his top advisors ( Steve Bannon, Stephen Miller, Alex Jones) are well known white supremacist advocates.

As a registered independent voter, I have supported and voted for republican candidates in the past. In fact, my two favorite candidates during the primaries were Republican candidates, former New York governor George Pataki and Ohio governor John Kasich.

All you have done is criticize and complain from the very start.

Haven't you noticed? Trump is whining everyday about perceived and imaginary enemies. The guy won the election, and instead of "making america great again", he is settling scores with anyone who disagrees with him, and dismissing any allegation against his administration as conspiracy theories.

Just today, Trump was blaming the intelligence community for leaks, accusing the FBI and NSA of undermining his administration. He does not realize that these are the same agencies in charge of protecting him and our nation.

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I think this is the biggest scandal-ridden administration of the last 20 years, and we are only 25 days in.

Obama’s election in 2008 was preceded and followed by violent attacks and property destruction targeted against minorities.

More frequently, Obama’s presidency was marked by effigies of our first black president hanging from nooses across the country, for example in Kentucky, Washington State, and Maine, or being burned around the world. What Trump supporters fail to remember is that following Obama’s election, property was destroyed across the country, for example in Pennsylvania, Texas, and North Carolina, and a predominately black church was torched in Massachusetts.

In 2008, anti-Obama protesters lashed out against minorities because of their discontentment with a black man being voted into the office of president for the first time in our nation’s history.

And while anti-Trump protesters have engaged in mostly peaceful demonstrations against the president-elect, pro-Trump supporters have been responsible for a wave of attacks against Muslims, Latinos, blacks, and the LGBT community.

Trump’s name and slogan, “Make America Great Again,” are being found alongside swastikas and anti-minority messages in graffiti around the nation.

Ultimately, demonstrators are not protesting Trump because he is Republican. They aren’t protesting him because he is a white male. These protests are because of the bigotry his campaign has emboldened and the fear of discrimination his presidency has the capacity to perpetuate.

"I am very proud of my protest sign"
Kofla, if you are seriously proud to equate your President Donald Trump to Adolf Hitler and his wide ranging atrocities, I'm afraid you have even less credibility that I thought.

I'll pass on any further comment on this one and leave it with you...

* Last updated by: yannih on 2/16/2017 @ 3:16 AM *

Kofla, if you are seriously proud to equate your President Donald Trump to Adolf Hitler and his wide ranging atrocities, I'm afraid you have even less credibility that I thought.
I'll pass on any further comment on this one and leave it with you...

Yannih, like I said earlier, people appear to have short memories.

Yeah Yannih,the guys an idiot

Talking about idiots, not even our own intelligence agencies trust president Trump over fears that confidential information could be leaked or compromised to the Russians. And to think that just a year or two ago, anyone behaving this way toward our greatest enemy, would be considered a traitor.

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Spies Keep Intelligence From Donald Trump on Leak Concerns :

Decision to withhold information underscores deep mistrust between intelligence community and president

U.S. intelligence officials have withheld sensitive intelligence from President Donald Trump because they are concerned it could be leaked or compromised, according to current and former officials familiar with the matter.

The sources said such decisions to keep information under wraps would be connected to Trump’s apparent fondness for Russian President Vladimir Putin.

https://www.wsj.com/articles/spies-keep-intelligence-from-donald-trump-1487209351

bumpfire, apparently facts mean nothing to you. I think you have done more pissing and whining on here than a lot of people. Anyone who doesn't agree with you is flat wrong. At least try to support your argument with some background information like Kofla does. Or start a new thread where you can call all us non believers names.

Mad

And yannih, didn't you lecture me about "personal attacks"??

Mad

64 forgotten items of your honest abe, dad I chopped down the cherry tree is that both are being insulted as they turn in their graves. Lets see how many offenses Donnyboy makes in 4 years...

https://archive.org/stream/The64ImpeachableOffensesOfBarackHusseinObama/The64ImpeachableOffensesOfBarackObama_djvu.txt

64 forgotten items of your honest abe, dad I chopped down the cherry tree is that both are being insulted as they turn in their graves. Lets see how many offenses Donnyboy makes in 4 years...

Hub, interesting read, but this document cites no references, no proof whatsoever, nor any historical references to back up his claims. Not even an author.

http://www.judicialwatch.org/blog/2015/06/communism-in-jarretts-family/
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rod_Blagojevich

Here comes another yes or no you won't answer. Here goes... Yes or no, when your seat is so close to being bought and sold, was that like saying you did know about it, but you distanced yourself from it so no crime on your end being quiet about it?

Mayor Daily of Chicago had a different set of politics. Read his 'legacy' or the book I read on him. 'The Machine' is alive and well; or say you might want to choose a name off those 64 bits and bits of legacy of your favorite prez. He was not a dem in those words as was Daily, but more his commie ties and dirty, shitty, olitics.

Where are you going with this? Didn't Donny say there was corruption he had to deal with, but is making sure no one heads off to some job that was being greased while in office. Make sense to you? Does Donny want the power back to the people or with corporate and special interest groups? Is he making sense or nonsense? Show me all those billions and "No Tax Fraud" when he was looking to be prez how many years ago? You'll see his latest tax return and find what the IRS didn't? That's rich! There was nothing more than a heard conversation a few days ago; and now the guy left the building. What goes on between our enemies and what is so new that you are not aware of if you listened in on it? Donnie will find the scum in the pond and clean that shut up or we might as well give the codes to every antagonist we know.

Keep propping up your campaign, Kofla. I'm enjoying it. BTW, where is my yes or no from your other thread I asked about.

Sorry Mad, but there is a big difference between the way I expressed my opinions on Kofla's actions compared with your personally directed comments such as

"do you ever have anything intelligent to say???"
"Why is it so attractive for you guys to live in some kind of fantasy apocalyptic world you make up in your heads"
"I just hope all your irrational fears don't give you a stroke."
"the real world will never fit into your delusions"

* Last updated by: yannih on 2/16/2017 @ 9:01 PM *

If anyone hasn't seen the movie "Hillary's America", please watch it.

Yannih, you can believe anything you want. The fact is, none of the catastrophic things the guys on here have ranted about have happened to ANY of them. I live in the REAL world. If that upsets your sensibilities well I guess that's too bad. |Bumpfire it's nice to know you get joy out of everybody else's concerns.

Mad

And by the way yannih, I would take you more seriously if you were equally pointing out the personal attacks by others on this forum. But maybe that doesn't fit your agenda.

Mad