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Created on: 04/09/09 09:11 PM

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UNDERDOG427


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Power Commader Question
04/09/09 9:11 PM

When I get the bike outside next week and start it for the first time , the instructions lead to believe that you need to set the throttle opening after the bike is up to normal operating temp. It`s not real clear on exactly you need to do then . Do the instuctions mean that you need to shut the bike off , wait , then turn the key back on and completely cycle the throttle grip open & closed before restarting . I might be trying to overcomplicate something that is very simple , just wanted to get it right the first time . I bought the PC from MUZZY`S and it has the M10 system / Fly`s out map already installed . Thanks for any and all help here . Underdog427



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RE: Power Commader Question
04/09/09 11:13 PM

It's a USB,right?You should have the option of setting the throttle position without starting the bike(if I recall mine correctly).Doing it connected to the Personal Computer and using the throttle position window.It of course has to be connected to the motorcycle.The positions will read "0" and (I think)"99"(could be "100")The rpms showing in the lower boxes WILL fluctuate-so don't worry where they're at.That's my understanding about setting it.(it's been a while now since I set mine up).


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Hub


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RE: Power Commader Question
04/10/09 7:10 AM

This is the time I'd like to have that unit sitting here and here is my angle of attack with this run the engine to WOT to get your 0 to 99 set.

WOT IF?: What if I think that cold running with choke on will mess my reading. Yes, I need a warm engine so my throttle position sensor is not open at a higher percentage than 0% open. What if I let the engine heat up to running temp so I do not set the choke arm is move my percentage.

I have a warm engine. I know the choke will not come on now. What if now, I set the 0 to 99% with a warm dead engine key on, kill on. What if I take my idle cable and run it to zero play is the TPS can no longer move lower than what that reading is now. I have found zero? Is, now I need the unit and now out comes the warning banner.

I have no clue if this will work? I know the unit wants zero to WOT. What if my practical think is out the door? Well, if I had the unit, these are the steps I would be walking if I were to base load my map zero reading. What if now I follow blue07 with the laptop steps now is to take the TPS right at the crank bell and hand flip that is pull up on it so I can un-zero and then snap the crank bell with my fingers so I feel a static feel at the wheel, not at the grip.

What if I said enough for you to see how I'd WOT that bell crank is crank the number to the stops and now do I have 99% is 100% of this walk will not work at all if we do not see the numbers dial on the software program screen.

What if I can set the bike up dead engine is try it if I had that unit is not listen to their instructions of a running scenario if all that unit wants are a rheostatic rise and climb of zero to one hundred. Does the software care if it needs to read just the Throttle position and not the next cylinder under fire? If it needs to see the sequence fire, then totally a different scenario; if the crank wire is used needing rpm; to set the whole thing up. Without product, I have no clue is try it this way is stretch my rods for what? Meet my rev limiter>?


* Last updated by: Hub on 4/10/2009 @ 7:13 AM *



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RE: Power Commader Question
04/10/09 11:09 PM

Well HUB-WOT R U saying? (yes-I do remember something about letting the bike warm up first(?))And maybe it WAS adjusted with the engine running.I don't remember now-just that there seemed to be something in the instructions about setting TP without having to run the engine all the way open momentarily.But maybe that's WOT they actually said to do?


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Hub


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RE: Power Commader Question
04/11/09 12:26 AM

Without product in hand, I cannot loophole the instructions thinking I can try it another way. Without knowing that base map from their homepage, I cannot tell the Tfi type feel the map will have as far as signing off or hold on, try the row of numbers here. No dyno needed if a street map is close enough.



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Romans


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RE: Power Commader Question
04/11/09 6:07 AM

Coles Notes. A CD with Dyno-jet software will come with the kit. Once your software is installed in your computer, plug your lap top into your bike, now turn key ON. Look on the tool bar in the top left you should see Power Commander Tools . Click here . Scroll down to.... Set Throttle Position. With your bike connected You will have Three windows pop up. First window is the closed throttle position, Second window is Throttle's current position, Third window will be full throttle position. Plug in the 9 volt Battery that came with your kit into your power commander OR start your bike. Now all three windows should have numbers in them (range from the 1000s to 10,000s ). Now look at the first window, the # you see should now match the center window ......It WON'T. Now click reset. Your throttle closed position is now set. Now turn your throttle wide open(if your bike is running do it Quickly). Look at the window on the right. It should now match the center window ..... It Won't . Now click on reset. Wide open throttle is now set. cycle the throttle open and closed and make sure the two points Match. Now that the points are set, this will make insure the Map you are using matches the throttle position at the right time. I know it is a head scratcher the first time but believe me it is Easy. I have not found one bike with the throttle points that were bang on. So it is worth doing. I hope this helps


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RE: Power Commader Question
04/11/09 6:43 AM

for the post romans!



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RE: Power Commader Question
04/11/09 9:58 AM

EXCELLENT!!

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RE: Power Commader Question
04/11/09 11:46 AM

Thanks for everybody`s input even though I wasn`t real sure what the hell HUB was talking about . Since the bikes got a throttle position sensor it would seem to be possible to make these adjustments without trying to blow the darn bike up . I thought thats why you let the bike warm up normally and then shut it off to make the adjusments . But it would seem for sure that I`m in the market for a lap-top now . The 07 Stratoliner is injected also and might get a PC for it too . It`s got Yamaha Speedstar pipes , & one of our cars , the 05 VW GOLF is injected with connections to do tune-up work on it also . Thanks again . Have a good Holiday . Underdog427



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RE: Power Commader Question
04/11/09 7:56 PM

I was up visiting my Uncle this afternoon and it turns out he has a HP Lap-top he`ll let me use later this week . He wanted to trade it to me for an 81 GS850G Susuki I`m trying to move out the door . I`ve only got about $600 in the bike but would prefer to sell it though . I`m thinking about the trade anyway . I`ll be glad to get the adjustments made and just get back on the road again . So now I really do need to get it in gear , hang the rad. & get most of the bodywork back on . Things appaer to coming together so to speak . Thanks again for all the help . underdog427



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RE: Power Commader Question
10/14/09 7:48 AM

I have been running my PCV for a couple months and I haven't set anything yet. Seemed to be running better. Guess I better look into setting the throttle points. lol



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RE: Power Commader Question
10/14/09 11:12 AM

Well,..Yeah!

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RE: Power Commader Question
10/20/09 5:10 PM

Yes the motor should be warmed up fully, set the low speed at idle, and using the kill switch on the right bar (leave the key ON),shut the motor off, go to full throttle, set the upper limit in software, and you are done.
I would not ever trust the rev limiter or run a motor no load at full throttle when everything works with the run/stop switch in the stop position - why take a chance - this procedure is very simple, but is the worst piece of documented (or lack thereof) crap ever - shame on the Power Commander people for making a simple thing so complex with the cruddy procedure write up.

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