Since I installed the wire down by the shifter, can I use the stock map in 6th gear and Ivan's for 1-5?

i'm pretty sure if you set it up for map per gear you would load Ivan's map and then for 6th gear just set all cells to "O"

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I'd want to get a definite answer before I used 6th gear. No fuel in 6th gear?

* Last updated by: Rook on 2/20/2015 @ 3:14 PM *

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Rook it wouldn't be 0 fuel, it would be 0 added or subtracted from the factory map.

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ah, that's good!

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Just my two cents, but I would call Ivan and ask him. Great guy to talk to and knows his stuff. I run Ivan's reflash and map, couldn't ask for any better!

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So I tried to do it but found I need to calibrate the speed and gear position. Is that easy to do?

Since I installed the wire down by the shifter, can I use the stock map in 6th gear and Ivan's for 1-5?

I'm going to say.. No. Think of the cells like this. I have every cell @ 13.8 AFR. Every rpm, throttle opening is going to knock on 13.8 up and down the rpm range. How can I cutout the pc map to run 6th, if all the cells are running the preset 13.8 to capture 1-5 gears and then none for 6th?... it can't.

Now, I'm going to say.. Yes. I am going to run Ivan's [any custom] map thru 1-5, then I shift to 6th gear and use an all zero cell map... When I toggle the 2nd map in the pc5. I now run the OEM map in 6th gear. That's how I would loophole the map for 1-5 and zero map for 6th by a flip of the flop. Agree/disagree?

So I tried to do it but found I need to calibrate the speed and gear position. Is that easy to do?

There is no calibration of the speed or gps. It has to be a racing ECU with the software to change gearing numbers and speedo calibration/disable the 186mph limiter.

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Hub I disagree but have been wrong before. According to dynojet's website they say this:

The Power Commander V
Power Commander V Product Introduction
The New Power Commander V is loaded with tons of new features. Below you will find some Power Commander V features.......

Gear input (allows for map adjustment based on gear and speed)

With gear position input connected the PCV is capable of allowing each cylinder to be mapped individually and for each gear (for example: on a 4 cylinder bike with a six speed transmission there could be up to 24 separate fuel tables)..........

So if you can have 6 (gear only) or 24 (gear and cylinder) maps there is no reason you can't run Ivan's map in gears 1-5 and a zero (or stock) map in gear 6.

* Last updated by: toledoUPSguy on 2/22/2015 @ 7:54 PM *

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Noted: http://www.powercommander.com/powercommander/Support/Help/wwhelp/wwhimpl/js/html/wwhelp.htm#href=3_PC5.1.21.html

Call dynojet for your bike's 'calibration' numbers, so says this url. My changing 24 maps, new gear numbers still says, I cannot make any 24 map turn to a stock 6th gear map. I am back to flipping to map2 via the toggle option.

Said another way:
I am in the shower I turn the key on and that's hot water running. I now buy a pc5. I turn the key on and both hot and cold run together. How do I turn off the cold water if the key is turned on? I shift into 6th, I am still running both faucetsayso.

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I thought this was speedo reading, but I think this is fuel related, not a speed calibration change at the dash. Or, I'm just focused on that gear option as being at the dash. My confusion. Now I understand the pc option.

The more I think it out, you burned map 1 with new gear and say you combine and use advanced. Where is the stock map in all this? So if you left the pc original numbers alone on map2 that comes with the unit, that's as close as running the stock map. Still, you have the pc's basics squirting a zero map2.

Can't turn off the cold water remember, you installed that and when key is on, so is the hubbishitheory.

* Last updated by: Hub on 2/23/2015 @ 2:44 AM *

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maybe I'm missing something. Hub if you program all cells on gear 6 to "0" that would be the stock map, correct???? you are not adding or subtracting any fuel, for all intents and purposes the PCV is not really there. The PCV is adding or subrtacting fuel based on the # that is input in each of the cells. A 10 in a cell is adding 10% fuel to the map in the ECU, a -10 would be subtracting 10% fuel from the ECU map. So, 0 adds nothing which = stock ECU map. There's no need to flip a switch to go to a 2nd map for the stock map if all cells are 0 for gear 6.

Where's Romans, he knows this crap like the back of his hand.

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I have paper on top of the tower, a pad between the monitor and tower. Do you think I had the brains to copy a number down? The bike's tower has the most current pc5 software in it so that's out of the way. I lit up the pc program, plug in the pc5, go up to the menu bar and find the gear program and radio click on that.

Up pops a screen with what looks like 6 steps and you could add length to them or shorten each one using the correct numbers. Again, this does not look like you could switch off the saved [Ivan/any] map. Why? You can still stay in 6th gear, but your rpm is up and down that map and how can you use a stock map when you have yet to remove the pc out of the loop to run all up and down a stock map?

This whole pc5 runs off of the map you saved. This is more cutting into some sort of fuel timing as the spray is spraying or is open for that length, who says you can't whack it up fast and shut it down slow on the close, or slowly open it and whack it fast at the half length of a frequency timed to open and close? It's just a number. So are you removing a saved map you zero out 6th gear's stepped length and this shuts off the pc map? No it does not.

Agree or disagree.

The pc's 6th gear as I understand it, is not hooked up to the gps switch so how does it know what gear?
Agree or disagree?

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"Since I installed the wire down by the shifter"

WATT wire?

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"Since I installed the wire down by the shifter"

WATT wire?

The blue white wire of the PCV harness taps into the green red wire of the gear position sensor. So Hub, the PCV does indeed know what gear you are in.

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Sguy, I may have read it, but I was more after the accel mode and how to work a few cell changes. You are correct. Page 4 of the pcv manual says to use the posi-tap. I totally forgot about the gps hookup. Don't get old. Shortermemory is a bitch. I need to get my ass in gear, fill the analogs and wire the rest of the pc up.

This continues to make me walk the gear to map to stock to no block in the gear popup menu. It still is running Ivan's/any map throughout the rpm range. Here is what I did. I pulled up a few new maps and each time, the 6 was locked in place. That says, I have to zero out the gear panel, meaning, manually install the sequence numbers in the gear popup and this clears the 6 away from the far right screen.

I then removed 5 and now 5 shows on the screen. That reads as, no sequence numbers in 6th gear, none in 5 and it defaults to 5. I do not see how this move would bring up a stock map. Does that mean 6th gear also runs in the stock map along with 5th? Why would I want to run a stock map I clear 1st gear for it. Is this how this works?

Thanks Sguy for clearing up that wire. My nephew is taking up the rack so I'll have to wait a few days. Here is what I'll do. OEM runs 16a w/PAIR, 14a plugged off. That is 14R's base number give or take a few points to the right. I will plug PAIR; run the 12.9a map in the pcv now; zero out 6th gear; watch the AFR meter swing back to 14a in 6th gear. Is this how you are saying the map would respond in this setting? If I have that ability, why would I shut off 3rd gear, pass thru it and swing back to 14a? 14a is lean and the 12.9a was running all that time and poof, back to 14a? Then shift to 4th and poof, 12.9a? That is how I am going to video a 3rd gear scenario first.

Make sense yet?

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Since I installed the wire down by the shifter, can I use the stock map in 6th gear and Ivan's for 1-5?

No. Here is why. Say I change sprockets. I now mismatch my rpm vs. map cell. Say I call that X. I can walk this kind of shit so say now I have a frequency I can smack at is to match that rpm frequency to the speed of the gear ratio and I have a kill plotted in with numbers vs a new gear ratio to map to kill numbers. See my X and Y to the Gear frequency numbers? It says 'volts' for watt else runs that puppy? As if it has a shadow and needs to be re-squared back into the boxes. So I take each gear and sustain said rpm; press the radio click to capture that gps spinning number off the crank to gear and here is the input for kill time say as well. Those are the set numbers I run off of so wink-wink a sprocket change with shift kill and I plot the change. That's watt I think basically is going on as in balance my WOT to time my shift into this ratio... Ah, fluid coupling on the shift apply, if I think ignition to fuel to kill.

Say I now want to run the stock map in 6th. I would download a zero numbered map, dyno back up to 6th gear and now run that gear ratio sprocket change for a stock map is hit the conversion button. I now go back and download Ivan's/any map and do I now run with the stock map in 6th gear? Does it walk? Not to me it does not.

So are my individual maps now timed in with the gear change at the sprocket to rpm? Yes. That makes sense to me. Watt does not makes sense is how can I run an Ivan/any map from 1 thur 5 and now switch over to the OE numbers as if to shut off the pc and now I am running stock map in 6th gear. But you know if 2 times out of 1, is not a bad ground the no starting of the bike? How could I have the connectors in the loop, kill the pc and this will not work.

However, if I toggle my maps on the fly, I can watch my AFR swing to the other map.

Since I installed the wire down by the shifter, can I use the stock map in 6th gear and Ivan's for 1-5?

Yes, as if to ignore what the gps wire can do. If you install map 1 or map 2 in the loop in the toggle switch option, tell the pc you are using map 1 and dropdown that arrow to apply and hit OK sort of steps, then yes, I do believe you can loopiss the hole done this way. My way of thinking says one map to perform as per an Ivan tune and the other is to cruse in 6th via a map switching option.

And just a note on my notes: My mem is so scattered, my notes say I have an orange out for water temp or a 5v source and my green wire is for the gps [both] already installed and sealed over with goop glue. My only empty wire holes are for the shifter and the crank signal-says do not us by the pc instructions. Seeing that I already wired in all my wires [dangling at the other end] don't get old like I said!

How clear is clear is that? So when you receive your pc for your bike, those dyno'd gear numbers are part of the package and for every other bike brand they dyno, they need to collect those gear numbers to work when in a stock setting. The pcv is going to have a set of gear presets so this is for sprockets and other performance made moves on the bike. It will not change the map per say to the OE if you shift into 6th, no way. It will more screw up the preset gear ratio it shows a 6 on the screen and zero preset numbers in the popup. That's how I understand it.

And if I apply that gear change related to that shadowed frequency? This was when someone changed the sprocket from stock and the momentary intervention sorta kicked in on a gen2? See that shadowed effect whip up the rpm vs the presets like the gear numbers in the pc? I could be wrong, but all I saw was a simple sprocket change and I can see it, can you?

Agree or disagree?

* Last updated by: Hub on 2/26/2015 @ 3:04 PM *

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Hub many times I feel too stupid to actually understand what you are trying to say. Other times I wonder why you are trying to make things so difficult.

If the fuel table in the ECU is still stock (not Cblasted or Romanized) the PCV is just making an adjustment. It is not the whole fuel table. If we remember Lee (the hand as you call him) ran amazing times before there was a PCV for the 14r. If you look at many of the PCV "maps" they are adding or subtracting less than 10% in the majority of the cells. I don't know why the OP wants to run the stock map in gear 6 but there is no reason it will hurt anything. Will it be optimum, probably not but won't hurt anything.

To me (been wrong before) it seems like your responses are making it sound like the overall fuel map is in the PCV instead of treating it like a fine tuning adjustment.

I think it would work just fine but I'm done either way.

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I think I get some of it.

To me (been wrong before) it seems like your responses are making it sound like the overall fuel map is in the PCV instead of treating it like a fine tuning adjustment.

I want to be wrong so I learn something. Yippee! I am wrong about that map tuning adjustment. Now I agree with you. The overall fuel map is how you described how I was looking at it. I get it now. Thanks. I'm going to zero out my trim, zero out my target (if in autotune or not)... And the part that I got (I think) is the crank speed and gear numbers and that popup calibrator is not to be messed with unless you go thru the process. So to continue with my test, I would cause the 6 gear to pop a default 6 as I run zero numbers in the 6th gear popup window. If I hit OK and no error codes down at the screen, the map is accepted, then like you said, won't hurt a thing.

I think it would work just fine but I'm done either way.

At this point in time, I now agree with zeroing out the 6th map and ign map. I'm going to also try a default 6 so as to cut out the 6th gear map voltage numbers. I should see a fuel swing at the AFR meter that shoots back to stock trim. And now I too am done... until I have it on video to prove you ARE right.

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