seno, seno my man, relax! This is joeUniversal pick a line. I think I understand your plain english. If you listen, sort of select-a-sentence. See if you are telling someone off or you are being told off. I like your plain english being it sounds so universal, you get reflected as to watt you are thinking is watt I was thinking and you use yearshitan I'll use is my sheet of paper towels and dare ain'time after time, not a think you can do aboutit when it comes to pressing gear weeezzzzzzz into some force feeding and grease is a detergent too. It will suspend the big stuff and there she goes but more is coming. If the little stuff gets in like it does with an air cleaner behind it, it has grease around it no matter; you can't destroy it so crush it in an astroglide my ride kind of way. Seno, yeah, you can bow out, but this is couch potato posting. You're going to miss the fun or did you get sucked in?

I had to pinch myself so I felt the chain just now. 23,300 miles and all is well. And besides, we segway back to the pressure, I run 60psi for high mileage, you copy me, I'll step it up to 70 pee yes eye will.

It's a small clubeer, guy. Betteresethether. It's only a chain lube thread.

* Last updated by: Hub on 11/14/2011 @ 5:19 PM *

I love you all... No offense intended...I feel much better now after an hour of Krav Maga... Took off all last week, it's amazing after doing something for the past 6 years up to 12 hours a week how fucking crabby you get when you don't hit someone for a week. With that being said, there are choices in life and the WD40 thing is something I have used on my chains for close to 20 years.... with no issue, so with that being said Please use whatever you want and I will do the same.

* Last updated by: seno on 11/14/2011 @ 5:58 PM *

I got one for you. I brought back an air cleaner assembly to the place that had the race wrap I needed. There is the owner sorta in the conversation and a counter guy having lunch. The other counter guy chasing a part for me. We bring up things about my idea about show me your air cleaners, thinking they'd have some single carb air cleaner. They had a small cone style, but it needed too much work and was too expensive. The owner is showing me all his trick made parts on his stuff. I start to discuss how he's telling me to refoam this filter housing with the same stuff. I'm having a better idea about show me your filters about this height.

I bring in the goop glue to shore up any air leaks. He starts to laugh. I say come out and look at that bike you want meguyveer. We are going back and forth and now I suck him in; he would not come out and see the goopmachine. His counter guy is mmmha and I agree kind of grunts with his boss about some counter. I counter about how he has all his nuts and bolts going and I have a shot of glue as my weight. I do the get a lane hand job and there goes my glue hand past his nuts and bolts weigh. The counter guy having lunch is grunting now on my side. Snow won listens to turtle. Battle of the backyearyard engineers is shit on hishit but was some nice shit, big shit so what. His me and my guyveer raced for clash.

I got 26,000 miles out of my stock chain and I used WD40 to clean it every time, then put on a chain wax.

I'm not reading the whole chain cleaning back and forth another time. Not for a while. I'll just say for the 100th time. "what Privy said."

I am quite sure cleaning with WD caused some o ring wear IMMEDIATELY after use. It won't cause any to break right away but undoubtedly it will with repeated WD applications---even if followed up with a wax lube.

Wish I was into the picture taking back when I saw the black wiskers sticking out of my chain and stuck to my wheel. Someone would believe me then.

OK, maybe your orings won't ever break if washed w WD but they will def get thinner.

Kero is cheaper and contains less light oil that will dilute your wax or whatever lube you put on. Why use WD if kero can be obtained?

I believe ya Rook...I didn't want to get anybody more angry than they sounded...but I used wd and Marvel Mystery Oil for one riding season.Okay...that's TWO different oils,but...I had the same results as you....black broken o-rings.Never used any of that stuff again.(for cleaning).

* Last updated by: Grn14 on 11/15/2011 @ 12:44 AM *

........owow! What will I do with that whole bottle of marvel Mystery oil I have in the cupboard? Used that a few times o the last chain myself. Oh well. steady diet of kero on this one and no rubber chunks yet.

Couldn't be the brand of chain, could it? You had DID as the OEM chain and stuck with that brand, didn't ya Grn?

Jeff01ss +1, same exact chain care here and it seems to work flawless. If it aint broken, don't fix it. Cheap, fast & easy.... exactly like how I like my women!

I'm going to take a pay peer towel, the grease is that dry. My links have Z-Row rust. Point and shoot. Make me a believer. A full spray my chain all day long, no chain wax, lube, grease, nada... Show me the links. Real close show me the links and if you want to cheat and wipe a few links? No, wipe a clean link or two, leave the others as is to show how well that chain looks under "the lube of one's choice."

I think EK on one of em.But DID on the last one.

Not sure if I am going to go -1/+2 on this bike... That is the norm but with all this HP I dont want to make a total wheelie machine.. What do you think is good for a 225lb rider?

I'm 175...I went -1 and +2 on my bike...no secondaries,4 degree advance.It wasn't a wheelie machine.It would loft 'easier' than stock...but I only geared it like that for more thrust while cornering and such.225...a lot depends on where you're sitting I think on your bike.Being that weight,back farther and gassing her..she's prone to get light on the front.There's more than just raw HP going on.Suspension settings have a lot to do with lofting and stuff.You're gonna get a quicker responding bike with that gearing.But really,nothing crazy.At least mine wasn't.It would lift quickly if I rolled on from about 1000 RPMs on up to like 5000 HARD.She just wanted to keep climbing.

Your cruising performance is gonna suffer...mileage-wise.And you're gonna hit sixth a lot quicker...meaning....to keep your RPMs in a comfort range for cruising,your speed is gonna have to come down.Either that or ride in sixth with high(er) RPMS.Basically,you're gonna want to shift AGAIN once you hit 6th.It's gonna seem like that anyway.

You're gonna lose at least 10 mph off the top.

My impressions of that gearing combo were that the bike felt more "sporty".More "responsive".It also got slightly vibey as well.I didn't really care for that...but it wasn't TOO bad.Liveable.I did burn through rear tires quicker...not meaning to.The amount of shifting I was doing got old after a while.Not being able to cruise in 6th gear at say,85,90 mph on the open stretches(trying to keep the rpms at around 4500 or so)got old.Just wasn't worth it for the added 'thrust' I got.It was fun...but not THAT fun overall.

I'd say...if you want to be able to wheelie easier....get the Rifleman's 1/5th throttle mod from DoubleZRacing.You'll be happy with only needing to twist half as much throttle for the same results.Had one on my 07...gonna install one on my new bird.

I'll say here...I'm no pro rider...I don't have confidence in doing wheelies.But with this bike,I noticed over the years that certain setups expanded my experience of having a bike like the 14.Things I could never do at first...then changing like the gearing and going with that for a while,then returning back to a stock setup or whatever...I found I COULD do more things at the stock deal.Like tires.I switched to set of BT003's...cause Rook had em on his bike when he made his track vid.I had been exclusively using Pirelli Stradas,then the Angels.Both excellent tires.I installed a set of the Bridgestones on there.Just to see.I found that with cornering,I was able to actually increase my speed by a pretty significant amount.And I was cornering before anywhere from 100 to 140,depending.I was reserved a bit before with those Angels and Stradas.When I returned to the Pirellis(cause I burned through those BT's like crazy)...I found I was cornering as fast as with those(the Pirellis) on there.It just kind of happened,I wasn't TRYING to go faster.So when you say "wheelie machine"....as you gain confidence in certain areas...you will naturally "push the limit" more than before.That gearing will give you serious wheelie potential...but not if you don't want to do that.Your corner exiting will be quicker(by gassing her)....which could be a problem with wheel slip.Personally,try my best to corner with a smooth and minimal amount of throttle changing.But some guys enjoy the thrill of breakin er loose on the exits and power wheelieing out.Not me.That gearing will make that happen easily.

* Last updated by: Grn14 on 11/15/2011 @ 3:31 PM *

Not sure if I am going to go -1/+2 on this bike... That is the norm but with all this HP I dont want to make a total wheelie machine.. What do you think is good for a 225lb rider?

I'm 200-210. Went up four to 45 T on the back stayed at 17 T front. It still will not surprise me unless I am riding all out and in 1 or 2 gear. 3rd maybe it will lift with the help of a small bump in the rod.

Not sure how much I can go up on the stock chain, really enjoyed the instant throttle of the 16T front but not the vibrations... Might go with the -1/+2 again but really want a bike that does not have vibrations everywhere through the RPM range... My hands would go numb after 30-40 minutes cruising and I never had the death grip... Went with Gel grips and grip puppies over them to reduce it but always had it regardless

I think 16/43 is approximately the same gearing as 17/45 which is what I have. The only increased vibe is because of higher rpm which compared to stock is only about 500-700 rpm more at 50-65 mph.

I have always heard most all 16T engine sprockets will vibe a bit and make a noise. That is why I stayed away from a 16T. I was told the vibe made an annoying noise at a certain rpm but I do not recall anyone complaining about a constant vibe that was felt through the bike.

A 16T sprocket with a rubber vibe damper like the stocker has is supposed to stop the whiney noise. There is a sprocket off af a certain year Zephyr that is supposed to be the one to find. There are many Zephyr sprocks. IDK which one is the perfect fit to the 14.

personally I an glad I stayed at 17T engine sprocket. I bought a Supersrox 17T that is smooth as OEM and it is a lot lighter weight too. The large sprocket in back looks cool and it is all aluminum so it is still much lighter than the stock rear sprocket. I am quite sure I could have stayed with the stock chain although that would put me at minimum wheel base. I was afraid the minimum wheel base would have added to the wheelie proness. As mentioned, the bike is still not out of control in the wheelie department. Not at all. Minmum wheel base would have been just fine. I will probably remove a couple links from the new chain to get minimum wheelbase back. Right now, I am at max wheelbase, almost.