Vic now your teaching me. I see the Woolich Site has made some changes. The way I'm thinking is, it's your computer that has the write feature tagged to that particular ECU. You Know, purchase bin, click write to ECU, computer Now looks at ECU serial number, then looks for a prepaid release and now you can write to that ECU as many times as you want forever. If your computer software goes to write then sees new Serial number the write feature disables ? Don't know for sure.

This product comes with 1 Bin File Definition Key allowing you to tune 1 ECU's as many times as you like. Additional Bin File Definition Keys are required for each additional ECU's and can be purchased from within the WRT software.

Question. WRT does or does not password protect a WRT flashed ECU?

Does not.

point out where what I'm stating is incorrect

1. "BDFK is consumed..."
No. Say I'm a dyno shop. I use WRT. I buy a bin file for the 14's. A yammie comes in. I now have to buy a 600cc bin file. You keep piling up bike brands that come into the shop, that's key after key. My bin files do not time out for $100 a pop. These keys are permanent or Justin keeps cutting into your business(?) is no way or change flash systems. Is this what you mean by the WRT's BDFK? Justin might chime in... unless I have this correct.

2. "BicBling wants this added."
No. Won't happen without a bin file upgrade? The 14's bin files menus are for the main maps, but where would you find it on the menu bar? So you'd have to select the 'wheelie control' drill down menu, cut and paste the copy over the wheelie control map, but you'd need that bin file for the menu bar to show it as 'hot' to the touch, not in gray say, where the courser shows a 'hot hand' over that upgraded menu bar, shows the wheelie control as a drill down in the menu bar...Again, Justin might pipe in.

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On the WRT website, they outline the things you need to flash a bike. One is the Bin Definition File. If WRT software doesn't come with your bike's bin definition (which are all Suzukis), you must buy the Bin Definition File to even have a chance of reading or writing the ECU. Let's take x ECU for example.

The Bin Definition File for x1 is permanent. The purchase of the Bin Definition for x1 includes 1 Bin Definition Flash Key. You flash x1, this consumes the BDFK included. If you want flash x2, you must buy another BDFK for x ECUs. Now, after flashing x1 or x2, subsequent flashes do not require a new BDFK. However, you end up with x3 (doesn't matter how) when you go to flash it the software's going to tell you that you have no keys left.

NOTE: I cannot be held accountable for descrepencies on WRT's website.... as far as 1 or 3 keys.

Per the WRT Support Website:

Each Bin File Definition purchased entitles you to three keys to flash three separate bikes/ECU's. If you want to tune more than three bikes, you'll need to buy another key/s.

If you're a tuning shop or dealer, and you purchase an annual bin file definition subscription to a particular make of bike, you may flash as many bikes as you like for the period of the subscription.

Note: The Keys do not apply to the free bin file definitions, you can flash these ECU's as many times as you like.

From the ZX-14R Product page:

Purchase this item to gain access in the Woolich Racing Tuned software to the stock bin files for the 2012-2015 Kawasaki ZX14R / ZZR1400
Features available for Kawasaki ZX14R / ZZR1400 2012-2015

IAP Fuel Maps
TPS Fuel Maps
Ignition Timing Maps
Secondary Throttle Plate (STP) Opening Maps
Fuel Trim Maps
Adjust RPM Limiters
Disable Top Speed Limiter
Disable Stock O2 Sensor
Retain last Traction Control Setting

This product comes with 1 Bin File Definition Key allowing you to tune 1 ECU's as many times as you like. Additional Bin File Definition Keys are required for each additional ECU's and can be purchased from within the WRT software.

So maybe I have the price wrong, maybe it's not $100 per key, but it does have to be purchased.

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Yeah this I don't know, I'm asking more than I'm telling. I'm not sure if every change requires a flash/reflash or not.

I think you are looking at bin families. So model year after model of the same model, I am going to assume this bin would cover this family. Family gen1 is one bin. Family gen2 is the next bin buy. You own both bikes = $200 worth of bin keys. If you had a 1000cc gixxer, you could not interchange popping up the layout, perform changes without that suz bin key.
So if suz uses denso and kawi uses mitsubishi, see those two keys? If the 14 family changes harnesses, see those bins buckle the wallet? Those are a one time buy so you do not have to pay $100 each time you throw the same bike model up on the dyno.

Back to a business model and WATT you are up against. I run a dyno house and cater to all brands. I'd have to buy bin after bin for each company model. If Ivan can capture the fueling layout, ign, etc., look at how much he does not have to shell out for a bin. So there has to be the software to manipulate, has a generic interface for download... business wise, which flashing setup would you use?

A person owning a bin file from Justin: I keep my bike forever I have a bin file forever. There is no timeout I have to repay for the same bin. The only timeout I have is the crystal breakage in the ECU. That breakage can handle 65,000 flashes before it goes belly up... says so in kawi's racing kit-ECU manual.

How close am I this time?

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Not about to search, but the most elaborate layout I've seen is 'squirt' is it? It's for cars, but wow, what a jungle of drilldowns and a left panel that just keeps filling line after line of what and how you can manip this or that file. That's my guess is what Ivan is using. Because when he mentioned he could see more things?

Say there is so much binary before you go off scale in the math and the backup kicks in... as I manipped a number in a cell and when it converted, I see a red [color-red]+[/color] at the far right column, or I see a red [color-red]-[/color] on the far left column; I manip out of range of the cells I calc off of. Say I am stuck in the middle of a tic-tac-toe kind of patter of numbers I 'average' off of... so shows the kit-ECU when I changed a cell number. I mean the plus or minus. The processor's action is the tic-toe move to check the binary really.

How close am I now, combining the soft with the hard parts?

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Well, I'm pretty sure I have it right on the BFDK vs. BFD. It's on the product sales and support pages, that there are x number of keys included when such and such package/module is bought and these keys are used per ECU flash. The BFDK is for an individual ECU. If you flash an ECU, a key is registered (and locked) to that ECU forever. You can flash that ECU as many times as you want over it's life, if it's 20 years from now and you want to flash it'll still work. But if the ECU dies and you replace it, you'll have to buy a new BFDK to flash it UNLESS you have unused keys. Somewhere on the forum WRT addresses this, stating that in the software it tells you (somewhere) how many keys you have per ECU type. It appears at some point, the software may have came with 3 keys (as said the support I quoted). It's possible if you have WRT from an earlier time and have flashed 2 ECUs or something you may still have unused BFDKs in your pool.

To read an ECU does not require an BFDK, only the BFD. You can read all the ECUs you want and save their file.

Ok, so when you're in WRT's software, and you are manipulating values you are not directly editing the values on the ECU. You are working with an "image" which may be a default settings file, it maybe downloaded from the ECU directly, but hte changes you are making will not be updated until you write the ECU. I'm not sure about the technology exactly, but it's possible WRT (or other similar applications) may be able to write parts of the flash memory and not necessarily all of it every write. It's normal to write flash all at once, but it doesn't have to be that way.

I'd think it would be possible to directly edit the values on an ECU, but essentially these would be "micro-writes" where you're literally updating a few bytes of memory at a time. To me, this would be unlikely because there would be a lot of risk for corruption and that sort of thing. A lot of this depends on the controllers that interface with the flash memory and that sort of thing.

But if the ECU dies and you replace it, you'll have to buy a new BFDK.

I believe not. Where is this key as opposed to a bin file you are reading? Go to that page, look up at the address bar of the browser page, cut and paste the http: address of that page. See the page I'm reading from? https://www.woolichracing.com/ContactUs.aspx Did Justin get his green card bin key to move to the US? LOL

Are we talking the same thing? Key to me is you no longer can send the ECU to someone who has more knowledge with the wooly software, I have to buy another of the same $100 bin file (key?) to revise a flash made by someone else? I think not. Business wise, would that suck a big fat dick or WATT? I rather that kind of greed go right out of business. Say it ain't so, Justin!

UNLESS you have unused keys. Somewhere on the forum WRT addresses this, stating that in the software it tells you (somewhere) how many keys you have per ECU type.

Well, find that 'somewhere.' Chase your history (ctrl-H) as if I have to explain this stuff to a software engineer and find your steps back to it.

Again, I as a tuning shop would be an economic turnstile slave to this software key. Once I own the bin file for said bike brand/model/etc., no matter how many 14's I tune for decades on end, I pay for that one bin.

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