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Created on: 06/14/13 02:47 PM

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Vibration Dilema
06/14/13 2:47 PM

While out for a ride today I started to get a more intense vibration than normal throughout the whole bike and am not sure of the cause. It remains constant while I ride, it somewhat increases with intensity the faster I go. I tried to repeat the vibrations while it was parked by slowly revving up the engine to between 7000 and 8000 rpm and everywhere in between, virtually no vibrations. I think either the engine is about to blow or a wheel bearing took a shit. Anybody got ideas?
Also I had two birds on separate occasions this week go right through the front wheel and they both left alot of remains behind stuck in the spokes. Maybe lost a wheel weight or one may have shifted? I do not see any obvious signs of a missing weight. The vibration seems to be in all gears and all speeds.


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RE: Vibration Dilema
06/14/13 4:45 PM

Dumb question here...are you cleaning the chain and lubing it well..along with an adjustment?Any 'go fast' mods to her yet?Tires doing okay?Hard braking when new?

"I started to get a more intense vibration than normal throughout the whole bike and am not sure of the cause"...had the same thing.Ride her...get some more miles on that motor and take it a shade easier(if you're pushing the R's pretty hard and fast.These bikes MAY take a bit 'longer' to 'wear in' than others....see how she's doing in a thousand miles.


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RE: Vibration Dilema
06/14/13 4:50 PM

The brake peddle/lever do not pulsate, the chain is due for a cleaning and oiling, adjustment is fine. Though the majority of the vibration does feel like its on the left side.


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RE: Vibration Dilema
06/14/13 4:53 PM

I just rolled 2300 miles on it while I was out today. The tire has about another thousand maybe if I keep riding it the way I am.



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RE: Vibration Dilema
06/14/13 4:54 PM

Mine was 'showing up' right at the front of the saddle...felt like the chassis.It certainly didn't inspire my confidence in a 'new smooth bike'...but like I said...I took her a little eaier with the throttle apps...I also had the IVAN flash...okay...but it wasn't 'changing' the ride quality...the 'buzz' was still there.It went away after some miles...on it's own....IDK if it's tires or what...could be.Sounds like it maybe.Even if they look good.PSI's?

I also removed the PCV...AFTER the buzzing had gone away...it hasn't returned;)It could be the sprocket....something like that...no action when sitting...but when moving....it was there.


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RE: Vibration Dilema
06/14/13 4:56 PM

I was gonna check that in the morning when it was cold. Last time I checked the tire I dropped them 2psi under recommended pressure.



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RE: Vibration Dilema
06/14/13 4:58 PM

Ya...2300 miles...that's minimal.Get a new tire on there....and try the chain deal....mine had minimal mileage as well...around yours I think....pretty disturbing really...but it worked it's way out.Now...she's the smoothest ride I've ever had;)

I recently replaced the rear sprocket...42 tooth...steel...no change in smoothness that I could feel...she's just very smooth.Rear tire went on yesterday...haven't ridden her yet with it.


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RE: Vibration Dilema
06/14/13 4:59 PM

Grn dude that sounds exactly like what I've got going on, I can feel it through the whole chassis. It makes me think a wheel bearing has gone out, but I've never ridden a motorcycle with a bad wheel bearing so I can't say for sure without checking and I don't feel like doing that unless I'm sure it is a wheel bearing.


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RE: Vibration Dilema
06/14/13 5:00 PM

Chain deal?



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RE: Vibration Dilema
06/14/13 5:04 PM

Ya...just cleaning the chain good with some kerosine,and lubing with some good lube...and checking the sprocket for wear.I've had to keep this chain of mine oiled and cleaned much more than my previous ones...lots of torque going on.It'll stretch pretty good the first few thousand miles....count on it.I had already adjusted mine three times by the time I hit 4K....Now she seems to have stop stretching...I think;)


I seriously think it's the motors doing this...'breaking in'....I know...kinda long break in...but....it IS a new design and all.There were a few others on here that mentioned vibrations.Might be just unique to THIS bike under certain conditions...then sorts itself out?IDK.I know I was VERY happy when I noticed mine wasn't doing it anymore...and it wasn't oil...I hadn't changed it while it was doing this.Ktrc 'off'...power.."F".


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RE: Vibration Dilema
06/14/13 5:12 PM

No performance mods on this bike yet either. I'm half scared the way it vibrates I'm gonna have a rod come flying out the case! I'm a hypochondriac with these kinds of things when it comes to my toys. The feel of the machine changes, oh great the damn things about to blow up.... That's just what goes through my head until I figure out the cause of the problem.



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RE: Vibration Dilema
06/14/13 5:20 PM

Well..it sounds more 'serious' then to me...mine was buzzing(some)...but I never felt something was gonna give.Can you take her to the dealer,maybe have em check the mounts or anti vibe gears settings?I had those Yoshis on there...thought maybe they were causing it...nope...they weren't...so I put em back on....no probs since.

It's not knocking or something is it?Sound okay at idle and all?Missing?You don't suppose...MAYBE...that birdie just happened to tweak that rim do ya?Maybe have em check for that?I know...that's a long shot...but....maybe he smacked the rotor and did some invisible damage to that????

I think for my own peace of mind I'd go around the front end and check the fasteners at the axle and such to make sure everything's tight and undamaged.The calipers...all that.Fender.Lines.


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RE: Vibration Dilema
06/14/13 5:30 PM

It aint that bad its just what goes through my head when something out of the norm changes. If you had never ridden this bike before you'd probably not ever notice it. But for me it is a lot more noticeable than before.
I just changed the oil on Saturday or Sunday and put 300 miles on since. Oil level is fine, a touch high but not enough to worry about. Did not change the filter only because I did not have one on hand and was going to change it sooner than I normaly would have just because I don't not put a new filter on. But now that I think about it there was more silver shit in the oil this time than the first three changes, but I also put on more miles this round than the past oil changes.



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RE: Vibration Dilema
06/14/13 5:54 PM

It sounds like she still working things in to me.If she starts knocking or something,I'd be concerned.I know my 'advice' sounds simple and possibly juvenile....but sometimes things do work out okay...I think yours will....'silver' in the oil....sounds normal.No chunks I take it?Mine had some bronzish silver dust in there also....it looked like normal oil.Used...but normal.

I know exactly what ya mean about 'things being 'out of the norm'...I wasn't likin mine when she started this 'buzzing deal'...but she smoothed out...same as with the shifting...very nice.


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RE: Vibration Dilema
06/14/13 8:44 PM

I think about it there was more silver shit in the oil this time than the first three changes...

Not good! I'd dissect the oil filter. I'd drop the sump pan. Any large debris will not pass thru the oil pump so you could see if something was going belly up by removing the pan.



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RE: Vibration Dilema
06/15/13 11:41 AM

I'll problay have to do that later this week after I pick up some more oil and a filter, see what the oil and filter look like and go from there.
I'm thinking there may also be a possibility I just got into some bad gas too. Drain out what's left and put some fresh shit in. I can't remember where I last filled up at, but if it does turn out to be shit fuel I don't want to be going to that pump ever again.



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RE: Vibration Dilema
06/15/13 7:27 PM

I decided to take the bike and today and just beat the piss out of it until it blew up or I could pinpoint a more generalized area of the problem. I started the day off with fresh thank of good 91 octane. At first things seemed not as bad as yesterday but as time progressed it got worse and sometimes it got better. So after 250 mile of trying to blow it up all I have been able to conclude is it has to either be in the motor, a broken or loose motor mount, or the chain, be it filthy or because of misalignment. Also at the end of my run Delilah got herself pulled over only a mile away from home because she was going way the fuck over speed limit.... So the next step I will take will be hubs suggestion and drop the oil again and dissect the filter see what's up there and if I deem it necessary drop the sump cover and see what's going on in there. If I don't think it is necessary to pull the pan I will then pull all the plastic and check every motor mount for breakage or loose bolts.



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RE: Vibration Dilema
06/15/13 7:53 PM

Love the attitude... Blow it up. I guess it's not the engine. When it ran fine and then ran like shit then ran fine again? The ran fine is like less friction on the one rod feels really fast? Then, all of a sudden... BOOM!

I think I'm going to go with your last gas fill. I've seen fine flake for the last 3 dumps until it more cleared away. And I was on that bike giving it enough load to do something funny. Never missed a beat. Never sounded funny. I think you may be seeing normal break in debris?



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RE: Vibration Dilema
06/15/13 8:22 PM

Yeah the last oil dump was the first time I had actually seen a lot of fines in the oil. Everything sounds normal the power delivery is still the same, just vibrates the shit out of the whole machine. Sometimes it's normal but most of the time it's much more excessive. I put my hand down on the motor a couple times while riding and the vibrations felt what I think would be normal for this engine, a nice slight buzz, but it is the exact harmonics I feel through the bars.



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RE: Vibration Dilema
06/15/13 8:31 PM

While I was out riding I also kept an eye on the temp gauge for a possible telltale sign of a mechanical failure but nothing out of the norm. It was 75*f outside all day and at 75-80mph on the interstate the engine ran at 160-163*f the whole time. Normal to every other time I've been out in 75 degree weather.



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RE: Vibration Dilema
06/15/13 11:25 PM

That water temp is a good sign of intense heat building up. That's a lot of friction, but to register it at the temp sensor before the rod goes out the case is a different story.

As far as vibration, no sync has been attempted, you mean? With the closed loop of the tank vapor purge and exit air screws, the other 2 air screws closed, makes for a slight vibration, and not in a balanced sync as per shop manual, as if a rebuild occurred and here is how to redial the body back into compliance.



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RE: Vibration Dilema
06/16/13 1:18 AM

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RE: Vibration Dilema
06/16/13 9:07 PM

Well ladies, I don't know what to say. The damn machine rides as smooth as ever today. Wtf!?
Went to Walmart this afternoon (the only place to buy oil and a filter on a Sunday around here) bought a fram filter and a gallon of Mobil 1 15-50 synthetic for automobiles, my local Walmart carries no motorcycle oil so I went with it for now. Dumped the oil the oil that had around 700 miles on and it came out looking alright. I also replaced the oil filter, which had 1500 miles logged on it, I cut the thing wide open and examined it. What I found inside was some nice metal shavings. I don't know what is normal to find in the filter during the break in. After that I went out for a ride long enough to burn half a tank of gas. Pretty much the whole ride was smooth. It got better as the day went on. So I don't know if the vibrations were a cause of shit fuel that took a tank and a half to finally all work out or not. Also while I was flipping through the Kawi service manual it mentioned having too much oil in the crankcase can cause buzzing in the handle bars. Could that have been my problem the whole time? I did mention earlier I overfilled to oil a touch. I dropped the oil and did not replace the filter, book says 4 quarts without filter change so that's what I tossed in and called it good... Wtf hopefully the problem has been resolved.


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RE: Vibration Dilema
06/16/13 9:36 PM

So... this filter change is #2? There was the filter it came with, you changed that one, and today you changed THAT one with a Fram, yes? And you found nice metal shavings. What shape? Tiny little specs like glitter or longer, skinny shreds? What color? Silver or gold?

What did you use to open the filter? Any chance the tool contaminated the filter media?



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RE: Vibration Dilema
06/16/13 9:47 PM

This is the 3rd filter I installed, that makes 4 filters counting the original. First three were all Kawi. I found some glitter with a few short shards, all silver, in the area I checked. The shards were imbedded with in the filter material so I know they were not contamination from the tin snips I used. Also I found specks of red shit, I don't know what the hell that is or where it came from.


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