Well as the title says going back and forth of which one I might get. For me to keep this amazing bike I always have to be doing something to it. Put on the rifleman throttle and every where I read they were right, the bike should have come stock like this. Mine isn't really that crazy to be honest but it's much smoother and even better in corners because it's tighter and heavier, it really feels like your hand is part of the bike much more now. But on this site people weren't into it so moving on. Oh and to the few people here that said it was great......your right the other half for $25 doesn't know what their missing. So called bob at carpenters friday for the third time (I KNOW) anyway we went over it again and basically for the work I want done( ported head,cams,47mm throttle bodies) it's 4800 in and out and was told I should go from my roughly 200hp to about 230hp. Than on psycobike forum (hardcore racer rider types) I was talking turbo's and got me really thinking. I know turbo is the better route more power and overall engine life if taken care of. So i called frank at powerhouse in N.Y today( great guy talked for 20min)and basically RCC turbo is still really working on the turbo for the new 14r he said. Now since i'm NO WHERE near capable to install or tune a turbo(tune most important)he would have to do it for me. Running pump gas a 6psi he said with a good tune I could run it like I run it now, and only change the oil a lil more often. And with this set up I should be at LEAST between 240-250hp at least. He said what romans said, once I go turbo forget it, nothing will ever feel the same. Now for the bad news, for the turbo kit(around $5000) and for him to install it and MOST importantly tune it, it will cost me right around $7000...............OUCH. So now I have to think of what to do. Either buy the next great bike in a year or two to have fun on or do major work to this beast and keep her for quite awhile. HMMMMMMMMMMMMMM

Allright ZX, I'll try it for $25! :)) can't hurt, who knows, I might love it! As for your turbo question buddy, I'm with Romans, go turbo. Looking at his bike has made me want one for the R! Just $ and time. But if I were in a position to go that route, I would! No question. As you well can imagine, everywhere you go you have that instant insanity. At your fingertips. Wow. I can't imagine combining that power with the R chassis and all the good things it brings to the table with TC etc. I think with tc functioning the R as a turbo would be the penultimate bike. Turbo gets my vote sir. You are obviously one of us madmen that can't get enough power, so if ur gonna be a bear, be a grizzly. :))

There is a guy in bridgeton that can tune your bike.

Thanks guys,still up in the air if I want to put that much money into ANY bike. Hell bought it when it first hit the streets so I paid almost $15000 for it then with exhaust pc5,and a shit ton of smaller mods i'm well over $3000 more so far. Just have to think about another $7000...........that's a shit ton of cash. Yeah C the throttle mod on the 14r isn't as crazy on my bike as I thought it would be. It's MUCH firmer and tighter than stock which I love,but don't get me wrong it's not HOLY SHIT when you turn the throttle at all. Like many have said from the hundred reviews I have read before buying it, the bike stock should come and feel like this. Like I said small amount of money and not a huge change but a pleasant one, and for $25 you don't like it take it off. I feel way more in control with it, BUT I have to say in the small amount of time riding with it, it makes second and third gear feel really strong!!!

* Last updated by: zx14racer on 8/3/2013 @ 5:59 PM *

Toldjooo'd like it.

So on the throttle mod, we just grind down the little tab, and cut off the black locking things on the cables ?

Nope just grind down the tabs on the 14,at least for mine. To get in contact with him just email him with what you want and he'll get back to you. His email is rifleman@hotmail.com. Tell him what you want and he'll give you his palpay and that's all. He'll also email you the full instructions with pics before you even get the part.

* Last updated by: zx14racer on 8/3/2013 @ 8:01 PM *

6psi he said with a good tune I could run it like I run it now, and only change the oil a lil more often. And with this set up I should be at LEAST between 240-250hp at least.

4 PSI = 260hp. 6 would be fun.

Yeah saw that video earlier,i guess frank at powerhouse hasn't seen what the new 14r can do on turbo. He was giving gen1 numbers, he said he hasn't done an gen2 yet. That's amazing but really expensive, don't know if the old lady would let me put well over 20 grand into a bike so soon.

* Last updated by: zx14racer on 8/3/2013 @ 8:05 PM *

The new 14R kind has our hands tied to 4 or 5 lbs with it's higher stock compression. 260, 270 will have to do lol. Go for a test ride, report back. I can almost bet I know what you will do ???

Rifleman =

1 1/2" PVC coupling... OK.. Cut a 1/4 inch slice off of it. Cut about 1/2" chunk out of the middle to start. Line it up on the thtrottle grip shaft thing. Taper the edges. This will set the rate of incresed ramp speed from no gas to some gas. The diameter of the coupling handles the rest. Glue the bitch on. Sand off the extra. Done. Reassemble. Ride.

All you are doing is changing the diameter of the throttle cam as well as the tip in or ramp rate. You are dragging Tue throttle cable over a larger wheel.

* Last updated by: fatsix on 8/4/2013 @ 4:45 PM *

Wait fat, are you telling me I just paid $25 bucks for a PVC shim I could make in give minutes? That would be perfect. :)

* Last updated by: Cblast on 8/5/2013 @ 8:44 AM *

Yes u did. Suck it up big boy!!!!! Even though I seriously doubt you really bought it.

:))))

Ur right. I didn't buy one.

Hahaha nice try C. That's great thats the pic I saw to, but that's not what is sent to your home. Its a lil tiny grey pvc thingy in a manilla envelope, that's it.

@ Romans...

Can you just flash the ECU to be wide open @ 20% (or whatever %) for these guys instead?
I know this is common with other "fly by wire" machines.

There is nothing, Romans, cannot flash, just ask. He is my Messiah!

Hahaha nice try C. That's great thats the pic I saw to, but that's not what is sent to your home. Its a lil tiny grey pvc thingy in a manilla envelope, that's it.

I was trying to show the 1/6th! I ordered both the 1/6th, and the 1/5th. I don't know if he even has any 1/6th for the 14r, haven't heard back yet, but I want BOTH so I can feel and try the difference. I think I will like the 1/5th best according to what he says about it. I just want to play with the three different radii. See which one I like best. I'll donate the one I don't like to the Nation! :))

* Last updated by: Cblast on 8/5/2013 @ 11:46 AM *

Nice can't wait for your review.

IMO turbos are not good around town and on the street, basis is spool up time, a built motor gives you all you want form idle on up, street or strip, of course I could be wrong but watching a built busa and a turbo busa all day around town and on the highway the built bike was in front 90% of the time until the numbers caught up with him on the highway, notice I said CAUGHT up with him, for me its built, just my 2 cents

Sorry bobby have to totally disagree, I work with a guy with first a built carpenter engine and then he added a turbo on his busa and from what he says and almost every racer(PRO and weekend junkies) NOTHING beats a turbo for the money and pound for pound. Hell you can set them up to come on strong from 2500-3000 rpm or as high as 5000-6000rpm if you want, now that is no spool up time in my eyes, unless of course 2500rpm is to long for ya!!!! I have talked with MANY of people when looking into this trust me,and even the built engine people say it's real hard to beat a turbo anywhere for the money. The guy I work with runs 6psi on a 06 busa and is pulling 260+hp on a gen1 busa. He has had it turboed for 4 years now and has not had any problems at all. Hell he is the one that got me thinking about it the most. Don't get me wrong bobby their both great but for the money to power ratio it's not even close. And I hear totally different things from people who have a turbo, they say it's great for around town or anywhere really, the power is just like stock, it comes on nice and smooth but like a freight train. I think romans could chime in and tell you how great a turbo is on the street.

* Last updated by: zx14racer on 8/6/2013 @ 8:43 PM *

IMO turbos are not good around town and on the street, basis is spool up time,

These street kits are spooling from three thousand up, with their smaller turbos & stock compression there is no waiting. Promise. Look close at Dyno sheet from RCC. Not sure what your friend had guessing large turbo low compression ?

Thanks Romans for chiming in, or should I say MR.TURBO!!!!!!!

* Last updated by: zx14racer on 8/7/2013 @ 4:17 AM *

I think Romans could chime in and tell you how great a turbo is on the street.

Don't get me wrong bobby their both great but for the money to power ratio it's not even close.

Let's look at when the power becomes available in the compare. If you look at the Dyno sheets, these Street Turbo kits are making over 100 ftlbs of torque at 5000 RPM. Now that arm stretching pull continues to builds all the way to near 150 up top. There is no waiting for the bike to reach redline. Just the long hard pull from 3000 to 10,500rpm. This is what hooks you on boost. All this power is instant if you roll the wrist into it and a kitten to ride if you don't. That equals sold.

Another important point to consider is heat. Boost makes heat only when you load the turbo to make boost. A built motor (making same Horse Power,which does so at peek only, 8900 dollars kit = ouch)is making excess heat from the second it's started. And they do run hot ask around. Not the best street bike to be stuck in traffic with IMO.

When I was looking to build the motor the engine builder told me to keep it down to a two by two for street use or expect heating issues. That was the killer for me as 99% of the time I ride is street. I did not want garage jewelry, I needed a bike that I can ride every day. Dual purpose street and strip with no sacrifices was a must.

Gas milage with a boosted bike is also amazing. Especially if your just riding around with your buddies or on the highway. I always use less fuel. Less fuel less heat. My bike makes No boost untill after 5000 rpm highway use, then I get 1lb of boost whether I want it or not. Over 80mph at that point. Only then do I start to drink more fuel as the AFR richens up.

One of the guys I ride with has a Turbo ZX-14 Turbo ZX-12 Turbo ZX10.

His ZX-12 has a built low compression motor with Some massive turbo running 17lbs boost I believe. It is a complete dog around town(sorry steve) but the hit is absolutely insane. Steve must wait for spool up(8000rpm). Now this bike may be better at the track on sticky pavement but Not A Dual Purpose bike. And,,,I know he does not like it because he never rides it.(Steve I'm just guessing) We never speak of it.

So maybe this is what Bobby 914 friend rides. Track only turbo set up ?

There is lots more but starting to sound like a Boost Flag Waver so I will stop now. The basics are here. This is how I made made choice. Street turbo kits are a blast,,, same exact bike with triple the fun. Any one wanting to test local can try mine. Then boost has got ya. Pushing 10lbs now. Boost greed is a problem. So is traction.

Carpenter has sweet option if you build. Have fun guys.

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* Last updated by: Romans on 8/7/2013 @ 10:26 AM *