During a recent thread regarding whether a bike was flashed or not, the discussion came around to KTRC. I was surprised how many guys said they didn't or rarely used it. So as to not high jack that thread, I thought I would start a new one.

Firstly, I am guessing the guys that don't use KTRC do so because you are experienced and enjoy the freedom of controlling all the power you can.Why don't you use KTRC? What do you feel KTRC takes away from the riding experience??

For me, being new to the bike, I intend on using it. I use Level 2 for now ensuring wheel spin and wheelies are limited. I enjoy having the knowledge that in my inexperience with a bike this large and powerful, I have a back up.

This may sound like a real rookie thread, and it is, but just wondering what I may be missing out on as my confidence grows if I don't turn it off.

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I turn it on in the rain or when the roads are wet. Sometimes even when I'm getting aggressive just as a safety net.

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I have mine on setting #3, and on power level 'L'. Until I get her broke in and get use to the handling on the bike. It just makes sense to do so. But this thing handles like a dream!, I can see how easy it is to get carried away!

I never use it. I got used to riding a geared '06 ZX-10R on the track. I'm pretty comfortable with riding the edge of traction with a high HP bike.

That being said, I'm positive that traction control would be a benefit while riding at the limit. Electronic aids are designed to enhance a rider's ability. I just feel more connected with the bike and less like a cheater when I ride it unassisted.

* Last updated by: TRAILBOSS on 2/1/2015 @ 9:36 PM *

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I leave my KTRC on all the time, I also always leave it on "Mode 1" and "Power F". I guess I only want intervention under extreme circumstances.

same as runnerhiker mode 1 power F..

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Like Eray, I had fun experiencing each mode during those miles of break-in. That may have been thousands of miles ago, but mine remains in F-1 and can feel the smoother setting. Usually, I switch to F-off if I know I'm having to enter heavy traffic like splitting lanes. F-off gives you the full power curve for the more aggressive snap in tight traffic. F-1 is too mild for that kind of work.

The lower in number settings and power modes, I find the same throttle input will intervene and the only way to eliminate that annoyance is to set the power up higher until it goes away.

I'm positive that traction control would be a benefit while riding at the limit.

I'll disagree. If you reach that limit, where is the benny if it limits you?

Electronic aids are designed to enhance a rider's ability.

Enhance what, your limit?

I'm pretty comfortable with riding the edge of traction with a high HP bike.

I'm pretty much positive you as a clubbeer bubbeer has yet to meet the edge of traction. Bold statement but I see where it's coming from. I walk around that 10 or the 14 once and can tell... your limits.

Shit, I could see it from here you pop up a photo of the bike alone.

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Ah, Hub. I can always count on your baseless accusations and overwhelming arrogance. Did they even have radial tires back when you had your half-assed time in the sun? I've burned through enough slicks on literbikes to comfortably know my way around the limits of traction. I don't need to be a lap record holder to slide both ends and get used to recovering.

You can judge all you like. I've seen your propensity for recording every. Single. Thing. You. Do. If you were fast, you'd have footage up. As it is you've presented this entire forum with a body of evidence that clearly proves your riding is mediocre, even if your knowledge is on point. If you had anything to stand on other than your cryptic, snarky attitude and a high IQ, you'd lay it out there.

But you don't. We both know you're a washed up racer from an era of sub-par technology that's desperately trying to remain relevant at an age where your body can't cash the checks your mouth is writing.

TC does enhance your ability, and is a benefit at the limit, by catching us when we make the most human of errors. It won't make me as good as Marquez, but it might save my ass while I try to ride like him. I don't use it because I don't often ride my financed 14R at the ragged edge.

But listen, Hubby. We both know how this little battle of ours will inevitably turn out. Instead of hiding behind your computer, why don't you come ride with me? Let's just saddle up on your favorite road (or mine) and see just how stout our respective chops are... because at this point we're just a couple keyboard cowboys cluttering this forum up with our bullshit. We don't even have to ride at the race track that you're so condescending towards, either. I'll bring my "track queen" and play in the big scary world.

I promise I won't shoot, punch or sodomize you. Well, I think.

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Thanks Hub for giving a bit of insight into how and what traction control gives you.

Have to agree with Trailboss in regards to traction control. It must improve performance. Otherwise it would not have been used in Forula One and then discarded because it gave too much advantage to lesser drivers. Is it used in MotoGP?

I'm going to stick with KTRC 2 for now and will move to 1 as my confidence grows but can't imagine turning it off.

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The one time I had it set to F-1, I tried to bring the front up in 2nd with the throttle, and it shut me down. Haven't turned it on since because it limited what I wanted to do. However, if I were caught in the rain I would kick it on.

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And here i thought it was there to keep you from going over the limit.
Tried the L setting also for break in period, but admittedly never tried it again.
Stays on F1, most of the time. Will try Hubs way and for traffic put it off and see what she does.
I know what she does when its off and you whack the throttle, prefer it off if its a fast ride on a Sunday morning.

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It greatly hinders performance at the drag strip. That's all I have to offer.

I use it in wet or inclement weather only. Too much restriction for my throttle hand. I like to control the post apex drive and line with throttle. I use the power to widen that curve, and tc does intervene even in mode one when smashing hard. I agree with everything T-boss said. T is one F A S T cat, on or off the track.

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We both know you're a washed up racer from an era of sub-par technology that's desperately trying to remain relevant at an age where your body can't cash the checks your mouth is writing.

I might be wrong about this, but it takes a racing head to jump on a bike no matter the tire configuration. Either you are leading the pack or are more just hanging in there for a buzz being the backmarker. I'd like to see your rain work and how fast you are with the hp overriding the track and the tires slip no matter wet. Where was the technology back then is like turn the mode of now, hello?

Tires do not change the sport. Still the same old feel under the bike, same old apex. It's just a faster bike moving thru the same turns. Speed is relative. A wet road is more your limiter.

I don't often ride my financed 14R at the ragged edge.

See how I could tell from here? Don't take it as an insult. You do not have the head game for it sorta speak. I'm going to assume that's your mental attitude no matter who owns the bike. Now I could be wrong, but I saw "The Hand" as someone who could ride and that pretty much proved that out, would you agree? So this has-been has been around long enough to still see things as relevant to this day. I think I can pick out a racer's head?

You have to be somewhat arrogant and cocky to have that racing head that never leaves you. And that is one side of a racer and then there is the 'Humble' side. So shoot me.

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I run mine in F 1 almost all the time. I haven't had it to a track yet but when I do I'm sure it will get turned off at some point. On the street the only time it comes of is for wheelie time ;)

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but just wondering what I may be missing out on as my confidence grows if I don't turn it off.

You are welcome. Enjoy the bike in low mode for as long as you like. I wanted to feel the combinations, the [map switching] tones, the power delivery, the interventions. Like anyone else I tried the mode while riding. There was one time and I don't remember the combo, but it felt like the engine dropped out of the frame; timed in releasing the mode switch. The engine note rang a new tone, a new power delivery less than before, and my initial reaction I said, 'you son of a gun, listen to this animal hit a new milliamp.'

Your confidence grows once you being to accelerate more aggressively. Hit those limiters that chatter, set the modes higher. Take your time learning the [map] curves while you are on that learning curve with the bike.

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F-1 almost all the time. F-2 or 3 in the rain. That's basically it.

The bike is plenty powerful enough for me like that. Might as well use the tech that's available!

Oh, but tires do change the sport, Hub. If they didn't, you'd be just as fast on good technology as you were back in your day. But alas, you're resorting to grasping at straws like, "I'd like to see your rain work."

Here's a thought: I instruct in the Pacific Northwest, dipshit. We average 15% rainy track days. How do you think my rain work is?

And again, your use of "used to be a racer so I know better" anecdotal knowledge is nothing more than extra spewed bullshit. You like to try and parse what I say to fit your narrow understanding, but we both know there isn't a road surface or condition that exists where you could outride me or 1/2 of the other 14R riders on this forum. Saying I don't often ride my 14R at the limit doesn't mean I don't do it at all... It means I respect the fact that it's not a race and I have to pay this machine off, so I choose my moments to push the bike.

You on the other hand NEVER push your 14R, and likely cannot, yet have the unfounded confidence to poorly judge the abilities of those around you.

I'm not saying you're crazy, but you're fucking crazy. Keep on digging and lashing out, old man. The world will keep moving on without you.

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I've never noticed any loss of performance in F-1.It will stop a wheely...yes...in F-1.I rarely ride in F-1 unless for some reason I'm feeling a bit...'not quite into it'...otherwise...it stays off.Rain?...yep...F-1 seems okay,just in case.I try to avoid rain.Anyone with a stock throttle cable(s)free play settings could benefit by closing the free play down to minimum.You'll get a better power feel by doing that.

My bike has a Cblast flash...so it's a bit more....'strong'.Can't think of any time where the rear started slipping while leaned in...KTRC on or off.Some here like to be able to spin that rear on the exit...After a couple of serious crashes...I'm not wanting any slip exiting any corners.F-1 is a good setting however.I always remember(for me)smooth in...smooth out.And the little voice in my head that says...'lean in...she'll lean some more;)'...followed by..."c'mon baby...I know you can"....

Anyone using the KTRC to help em better their riding experience has my thumbs up.It does work.You add an abs system to it....golden;)

* Last updated by: Grn14 on 2/2/2015 @ 10:45 AM *

I ride F-O when I need that speed rush/kill the world.
Nothing like topping the 14R out through the gears and getting freaked on lack of braking room. Stupid? Yes.
Slaying my favorite apexs at OMG R's,it's my stress reliever.
99% I ride F-1 until it's crush/kill/destroy,Then,F-0. Bopp back in the house,I'm all good.
When I travel to ride the fast stuff with my homies,I'm F-1,long ways back to the house and all that.
TrailBoss,I'm following your line. Smooth is fast bra,carry on.

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If they didn't, you'd be just as fast on good technology as you were back in your day. But alas, you're resorting to grasping at straws

Again, speed is relative, bikes an tires are relative. I'd have the same results as I would no matter my era, just different names and bikes.

Here's a thought: I instruct in the Pacific Northwest, dipshit.

Well, I am going to assume you have less years instructing than I have pissing away my money on racing all those years.

How do you think my rain work is?

Average more or less. Not one that would head for the front is my guess. That kind of rain work, that kind of adhesion you are talking about. And it sure does not come with a few wet trackday outings, you dipshit.

And again, your use of "used to be a racer so I know better" anecdotal knowledge is nothing more than extra spewed bullshit.

How's this for conversation? Just tonight in fact, my old racing buddy was watching a seasoned vet, an instructor no less and told him he was not carrying the bike thru the turn and picked it up too soon. So much for confidence taking lessons from a famous instructor.

we both know there isn't a road surface or condition that exists where you could outride me or 1/2 of the other 14R riders on this forum.

The funny part is I do not need to keep proving myself. I'm older, slower, and the stakes are higher I have to pull one out of the hat and prove what to whom? I don't think you are confident enough to show your videos or I'd spot something in a parse type of dissection.

You on the other hand NEVER push your 14R, and likely cannot, yet have the unfounded confidence to poorly judge the abilities of those around you.

Hold on here. It's not about others more than it is about you. Have you ever raced? No. Are you one of those fast street riders? Probably. Have you come up to a whole gaggle of fast riders in one race? No. It's like saying you can boil water, now lets see you boil an egg or cook for a king. See the difference? A gray yoke and not a yellow yoke thru and thru. So you are like a gray area fast rider, not a racer grabbing the gold against all those others chasing the same thing. It's that little thing that's missing; when is the time to drop that egg in the water? I just see a gray talking egg teaching one how to be a chef for kings. You know what kind of taste that leaves in my mouth?

I'm not saying you're crazy, but you're fucking crazy. Keep on digging and lashing out, old man. The world will keep moving on without you.

Well, that's what I'm saying, dude. I'd have to be crazy to repeat over and over the same life goes on world, you are still trying to figure it all out, made the same mistakes over and over with that gray egg yoke.

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Don't you worry. My yolks are smooth and yellow, with firm creamy whites. Just ask your wife.

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WOW, lots of good info! I didn't expect such a discussion. I never imagined turning it off and I won't still for a long while. But maybe in the future........

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The hail of insults leave me breathless.
I'd quote some, but pic a quote and spit coffee has become the theme.

This is the problem with our beloved site. We can't meet up, race and then slap the loser across the face. Sadly the war of the keyboard is our only expressive faucet. The tap, particularly the hot side (my prediction) will probably be left open for a few more pages. In the meantime...

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