Notice how benacommie avoids saying anything about the fact he has no bike? hahahahahahaha Fuckin' troll.

He also has repeatedly avoided the fact that Obozo kills women and children.
His ONLY defense of the war-criminal Barry-the-Kenyan is to whine about how the PREVIOUS administration got water up the nose of the guy who masterminded the 9/11 attacks.
THAT is what he is MOST concerned with. Defending murderous terrorists. Too hell with moms and kids, he don't care about them.
Daniel Pearl gets his head loped off, no outcry from the leftards.
Read article 4 of the Geneva Convention asshat, terrorists are not afforded ANY of the protections therein.

Bush got water up a murderers nose, Obama kills children, To the leftarded water is worse. What morons.

Is this TRUE ?.....NO BIKE!!!!...... Let the torture begin...

Benasaki, dude.... you really are a pathetic troll! You don't own a ZX-14 do you? No, because to own a motorcycle you'd have to actually have disposable income and that would infer you actually had a job. But you don't have a job do you Ben? You don't need one cause good 'ol Uncle Barry, the Kenyan presidential impostor is going to steal from the rest of us who have to get up every morning and work an 8 to 5 job and give it you. Only it's not called stealing anymore, now it's called "redistributing the wealth". Semantics can be quite convenient. Ben, you have no idea what torture is. Listening to Robert Gibbs stutter and lie his way through a press conference is torture, watching that idiot, clodhopper, Obama, embarass America once again before the entire world, that's torture, listening to your mindless drivel is torture, but blowing water up somebodies nose when their stated aim is the destruction of these United States, that's justifiable. I notice you didn't have any commentary about what that 12 year old Taliban in the video did to the prisoner. Slowly, cut his head off as he kicked and screamed but that doesn't bother you does it? If someone was going to do that to your wife, or child or mother and you could save your loved ones by pouring water down their nose would you do it? Not killing anyone, not causing permanent damage of any kind but enough discomfort to get the information to save lives? No Ben, you wouldn't because you have no balls. I'll bet it doesn't bother you when a defenseless infant is ripped from the mothers womb and allowed to slowly strangle in a medical waste cabinet. That's OK with you Ben, isn't it? Ben, you make me sick!

Kruz

Ah, smartest one we've had today! Who was in power as Kim Jung ll decided to go ahead with his nuclear project? No, wasn't bush was it? Well if it was, what did bush do about it? Oh wait, thats right. He decided not to talk to him. OOOOhhhh boy, talk about pressure.

Who says we are standing up for our enemies? Sounds like your putting words in my mouth now. I believe what the terrorists have done was horrible, and they shouldn't get away with what they have done. But as you "might" remember. Ronald Reagan signed the 1988 U.N. Convention Against Torture where we committed ourselves to prosecuting people who torture. Now are you saying Ronald Reagon was wrong?]

Bush actually was the first to recognize him as a threat and labeled him as such. Your guy probably would bend over at the waist when he meets him, since he is so ashamed of our country. You and your party are all the same a bunch of whiney assed cry babies that apologizes for our success.

You dont think your stading up for the enemies, what do you call it? All you do is whine about viloating their rights by washing their faces. No I am not saying Regan is wrong if it was torture we are talking about it would be different. What we are talking about now is hazing at best.

I bet you he doesnt own a bike, but owns a Prius! Take your green ass and go to your moveon.org and have a homesexual loving cry party for these terrorists.

Benasaki wrote :

Well doesn't suprise me you'd want to keep the religious talk here since its what the right has done for the past 8 years. So i'll respond to your "killing baby" issues. I myself do no believe in abortion, but I do believe its a womens choice to decide what she can and can't do with her body. I also believe that if a women chose to have an abortion, its between her and god.

It would be a human right issue to some if the embryo was actual human. But im sure you'll try and judge me on my opinion now as to whats human and whats not, and decide your opinion is right

Instead of helping me refresh on the bible, maybe you should go back and read a few passages. particulary the one about those who have no sin may throw the first stone. But, like many catholics these days. They pick and chose from what they want to believe from the bible.

I gottah say this retort is plain jaw dropping and actually very very scary stuff...and YES there is something to say about your thinking on life.
Somehow a child in the womb is not -a real human child???
He or she (ya the child in the womb has sex!) has to be a fully functioning human as you, or "they ", define a human. This "it's okay to kill the unborn" logic is exactly the logic of Hitler.
Define "human" by your terms and then, if they do not meet those requirements, they are okay to kill..because they are to borrow your words on unborn children- not "actual humans"!!!!!!
So let's be clear on who you really are... You are a liberal person who, while you would not kill them yourself, think it's perfectly okay for others to have the right to kill their kids.
Chilling.
The morality here leads straight to the possibility of standing by and "allowing" the killing others deemed by the state "not actual humans" ..like the insane or the deformed or the excessively elderly..or Bible thumpers!!
I am not a one issue person, and I only engage this abortion convo because it presents a way of looking into your and other liberals mindsets. In the end,while promising "human rights " and appearing to be pro humanity ..the reality is precisely the opposite. If allowed the liberal mindset in my view, will not only bankrupt America financially, weaken its military and international power, people advancing this view, will as they have done in large part so far, raze it to the ground morally. It is a potentially destructive and dangerous idealogy, (as is the far right!) that is apparently unaware of its own inherent contradictions as you show. This last series of comments are vastly general, but could be fleshed out with specifics if space and interest allowed.

I am sorry you try in vain to run everything into a religuuuus catagory. I guess you think if you can do that, you can marginalize the conversation and the speaker at the same time. This is a reflection of a basic bias against relgion as bad - most spefically in all probaility, anyone who holds to a Biblical world view. This is at least logical because such a perspective stands opposed to "liberated" morality, which has so destructively affected our society at so many levels.
The common rant is that religuuuuuuuuus types (scoundrals and neandrathals all!) are all judgemental mean spirited types and therefore without any allowance to speak! You actually attempt to appeal to Biblical passages to promote this perspective as a way of stemming any critque of your position. In your review of Biblical theology that I am to accept, Christians should shut up and say nuttin..cuzz you have determined that is what Jesus dunn said they were to do ..eh.

This ignorance I will not even begin to address as it is futile to do so, but will add a few basic comments that flow from any plain reading of the scripture (Bible).

1 Only God determines the fate of anyone eternally.
2 Individuals are responsible for their actions and they must be in accord with what God has revealed as right or wrong.
3 Those who know God's word and are Spiritual, can make judgements (as to the right or wrong of any matter) as 1 Cor 2:14-16 states. Note I am not throwing stones at you (carrying out a sentence against you ) merely determining whether what you say is correct. The woman who was caught in adultry was judged to be in the wrong by Jesus, but he forgave her.
4. God allows civil government to govern- to make laws, pass judgements and carry out judgements. Rom 13:1-7.
5. I am not a Catholic..lol

You have in the Biblical world view, every right to believe what you want to believe -do what you want. God gave you the right to do evil or good, and using the Bible as a lens one can determine what those choices reflect morally, and so make judgements on that. I do.

It is actually very sad ..that this debate is even taking place, but I perceive it will die out soon enough.

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Guess she could always NOT use crack(whattaya think?).Perhaps a little more restraint and at least a condom MIGHT be a step in the right direction?

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Amen blue O7. Crack babies rape babies..are ..still..children ..and I know of many who care for such.
Life was precious in the eyes of the founders of the constitution because they believed we all are created by and endowed with, rights, by God. (Libs seem to think we have been born in the image of that mythical primordial soup of Godless evolution. Though said in jest, this is a powerful shaper of world views.)
I agree, though I understand well the cost immorality has caused for the lives of the most innocent among us.
The strictest of laws should be enforced against rapists and those who do drugs while pregant, for they harm for life, those who are defensless..

*ps- I loved ripping through Montana on my 14..great people great country ..loved it ..

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Aaah, the classic libtard bait and switch. To deflect crtisism of the gross incompetance of the criminal Obozo, Bena-nobike wants to get into abortion.
Of course every women has a choice, swallow or take it in the ass. But what you DON"T have a right to is killing babies.
WE are looking after all the crack babies who the hell works to support these baby-momma's? Conservatives.

Now back to my little libtarded Benasaki/Gorillaglu who does not own a bike, has never owned a bike, and is nothing but a lying, POS, troll.

Thank God-for a minute there I thought I was gonna get hammered for suggesting the concept of PERSONAL RESPONSIBILITY. (not that I care what the ungodly have to offer in terms of today's solutions). If the blind lead the blind,they shall BOTH fall into the ditch TOGETHER.Though hand join in hand,the wicked shall not go unpunished.

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I really like the way you guys think. Maybe we should start a third party? The ZX-14 party kinda has a ring to it.

yeah, but the busa party would always out number us

Your guy probably would bend over at the waist when he meets him, since he is so ashamed of our country.

Obama will prostrate himself before anyone that hates America, it's values and it's heritage, at the same time slapping America's long time allies like great Britain and Canada in the face. After twenty years listening to the Reverend Jeremiah Wright spill his vile America hating rhetoric how could Obama hope to be any different? He despises everything this nation stands for and what has made it the shining beacon upon the hill that has given hope to countless among the worlds downtrodden. That is why he feels he must apologize for America to every criminal and and petty dictator on the world scene. No, America is not perfect, never has been , never will be. To argue otherwise in an imperfect world would be foolish. We are led by men and men are fallible but in the end, I believe America is way ahead of whatever lies in second place.

Kruz

I think there's a reason EVERYONE wants to "come to America"-wonder what THAT could be?

That's adminiSTRAtion-not adminiSTARtion.You forgot the "t" in "against" Say it with me Ben-"I will learn how to spell on the zx14 forum if it takes me forever" (obama is spelled with a CAPITAL "O") (BTW-you DIDN'T watch it ,did you?You couldn't have in one hour! Remember-it's one down,five up-and it won't shift into second from neutral sitting still.

Quote from Obama-speaking about children's healthcare-"So you take your son or daughter to the emergency room because they're having trouble breathing,and,and so the doctor puts him on a breathalyzer,I,I mean, not a breathalyzer, a,a, you know,one of those,those things to help him breathe..." (and you thought CONSERVATIVES were stupid! (I believe the item is called a Ventilator) I think that's what's called a "Freudian Slip"(you know what that is,don't you Ben?) Okay-for your homework tonight,I would like you to write 50 times-"I will honor the Bush ADMINISTRATION AGAINST all criticisms foreign and domestic,accepting the fact that He had the guts to face tyranny abroad,and save hundreds of thousands of Iraqi lives from certain death under the hand of the most vicious ruler since Hitler"Due tomorrow. And no,Ben,using the excuse "I died" will not be acceptable for NOT completing your assignment.Your ONLY alternative to this will be 10 minutes of supervised water sports,which will help increase your breathholding capabilities,thereby enhancing your future plans of become a NAVY SEAL (you do want to help others,don't you?)

You just prove my point. Your party decides to break the law and you decide to say its ok, and then you "TRY" to be funny and switch topics. If you can't come up with anymore defence about what your party has done, then why even bother posting?

{quote]I don't know about "politically" correct-If waterboarding is the WORST form of interrogation methods we have,perhaps we should switch to something milder,like maybe chopping fingers and feet off, or maybe partially severing a neck or two. Throwing off a three story building might be less torturous-ya think? I imagine those dear folks that watched their loved ones JUMP from the Twin Towers,they might think a little differently about getting information concerning future catastrophes and the senseless waste of others.It's NEVER as serious when it happens to someone else.Isn't that how we should all view it?No thanks.[/quote]

way to avoid the whole topic on how torture is illegal in the US. I guess your ok with breaking the law then if you think its beneficial for you. *scary*

I gottah say this retort is plain jaw dropping and actually very very scary stuff...and YES there is something to say about your thinking on life.

Hah, and your going to try and judge me when your saying its ok to put a human life through torture? Like a said, always picking and chosing what you want to believe. Kind of funny actually.

I am sorry you try in vain to run everything into a religuuuus catagory.

Everything? Are you sure I didn't just say that about abortion which isn't even the topic of this post? Sounds like your trying to put words into my mouth again.

Bena-nobike wants to get into abortion

Hah, I can say personaly Im sad your parents didn't use that option with you. :) But it seems as though your misinformed once again. I mentioned nothing about abortion until painterdude braught it up. Nice try though! Almost!!

Bush actually was the first to recognize him as a threat and labeled him as such. Your guy probably would bend over at the waist when he meets him, since he is so ashamed of our country. You and your party are all the same a bunch of whiney assed cry babies that apologizes for our success.

You dont think your stading up for the enemies, what do you call it? All you do is whine about viloating their rights by washing their faces. No I am not saying Regan is wrong if it was torture we are talking about it would be different. What we are talking about now is hazing at best.

I bet you he doesnt own a bike, but owns a Prius! Take your green ass and go to your moveon.org and have a homesexual loving cry party for these terrorists.

You prove my point once again. You republicans are all the same. You accuse obama of not taking care of North korea, but when pointing out during bush's term, North Korea actualy decided to carry on the nuclear project. Ah, I guess labeling them as a threat was good enough? I'll have to applaud you for that one. *claps hands*

Ben, you have no idea what torture is.

I guess I dont. I mean Bob Baer, a former CIA agent says water boarding is torture but what does he know. So tell me, what is torture?

embarass America once again before the entire world, that's torture

Hopefully if you say it a few more times it might become true! I know thats the republican way!

I notice you didn't have any commentary about what that 12 year old Taliban in the video did to the prisoner. Slowly, cut his head off as he kicked and screamed but that doesn't bother you does it?

We have that in our own prisons. Whats your point?

If someone was going to do that to your wife, or child or mother and you could save your loved ones by pouring water down their nose would you do it? Not killing anyone, not causing permanent damage of any kind but enough discomfort to get the information to save lives? No Ben, you wouldn't because you have no balls.

Pouring water down someones nose? If thats what you wanna call it then so be. But here in America we call it tortures.
1) In recent documents, its showed that water boarding produces unreliable information. Which kinda contradicts your "point",
2) If you believe breaking the law is OK, then I fear for this country.

I'll bet it doesn't bother you when a defenseless infant is ripped from the mothers womb and allowed to slowly strangle in a medical waste cabinet. That's OK with you Ben, isn't it? Ben, you make me sick!

Thats sad to hear, when did this happen? post link to the baby strangled in a medical waste cabinet.

So I guess Ben you're saying that the "comfort"of these murderers is more important than the innocent lives(maybe even your loved ones)that might be saved through use of these techniques.You know,the more you talk and make your position known,the more I'm beginning to think that you're not an American citizen at all.Where are you really posting from?Surely if your Mother or Father,Sister or Brother were being held somewhere,and in danger of horrible torture and eventual death-you're saying that you'd rather let them suffer and die before you'd want the captors to experience "simulated" drowning in order to get them to divulge your loved one's whereabouts because it's "supposedly" against the law?What law would that be? Am I getting this right Ben? (remember Ben,the captors are NOT going to be killed or physically harmed in any way-but your loved ones are surely going to die horribly without mercy).You'd rather let that happen,yes? It's a simple question,with a simple straightforward answer.It's not political or party oriented. It's not "right" or "left". Can you answer it clearly as your own decision? You would or would not allow waterboarding to be used if it would save your loved ones?

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1) In recent documents, its showed that water boarding produces unreliable information. Which kinda contradicts your "point",
2) If you believe breaking the law is OK, then I fear for this country.

Where is your support for this statment. You have none. Just more DNC talking points.
Ask Sheilk Khalid how effective waterboarding is.

As far as breaking the law is concerned you are so full of shit. Typical libfuck, it's only wrong to break the law if it's not a democrat doing it. Your phony self-rightousness is nauseating.

As usual you constantly whine about Bush, ignoring the killing of women and children by Obama.
Why do you refuse to answer that question?...again.

You constantly label everyone who disagrees with the Obozo as "Republicans".
What a narrow world-view you have. How totally brain-washed by the leftard's you are.
The concept that someone could think for themselves and not belong to either of the useless, corrupt main parties is completly beyond your ability to grasp. Fuck yer dumb.

Still no bike huh, libtroll?

National Journal

"I see no reason at all to doubt the sincerity of Dennis Blair, Obama's own national intelligence director, who said in an April 16 memo to his staff that "high value information came from interrogations in which those methods were used and provided a deeper understanding" of Al Qaeda.
Blair later qualified this by adding, "There is no way of knowing whether the same information could have been obtained through other means." But a reasonable person might imagine that it would take more than sweet talk, mind games, and lollipops to get hardened terrorists to sing."

"After being subjected to waterboarding and other brutal methods in 2002, Abu Zubaydah explained that he and his "brothers" were permitted by Allah to yield when interrogators pushed them to the limit of their endurance. At that point, he provided information that helped the CIA capture Ramzi Binalshibh. The two captives then gave up details that led to the capture of Khalid Shaikh Mohammed (KSM, in official shorthand), whom Zubaydah had identified as the mastermind of the 9/11 attacks. KSM, in turn, was initially defiant but -- after being tormented and waterboarded more than 100 times -- gave up information leading to the capture of a terrorist named Zubair, and then to the capture of Hambali, leader of Al Qaeda's Southeast Asian affiliate Jemaah Islamiyah, and then to his brother "Gun Gun" in Pakistan, whose information led to a cell of 17 Southeast Asian terrorists."

"This chain of events, the CIA insists, unraveled the dangerous "Second Wave" plot, planned by KSM and Hambali, that called for the Southeast Asian terrorists to crash a hijacked airliner into the tallest building in Los Angeles, the Library Tower."

"As former Bush speechwriter Marc Thiessen has written, if the 9/11 plot had been thwarted, Bush's critics "would be telling us how it was never really close to execution and [that] men armed with nothing more than box cutters [could never] hijack four airplanes simultaneously and fly them into buildings."

"Should people suspected of plotting mass death really be treated more punctiliously than people suspected of burglary?

Not in the view of a veteran prosecutor who suggested somewhat ambiguously in 2002 that terrorists are not "entitled to the protection of the Geneva Convention" and that we need to "find out what their future plans might be, where other cells are located."

That was Eric Holder, whose policy now, as Obama's attorney general, is to give full Geneva Convention protection to terrorists who may be plotting mass murders while considering whether to prosecute Bush appointees for going too far in their desperate zeal to save lives."

What I want to know benatard, will Obama respect the human rights of the women and children he has murdered?
But what the fuck do you care, lying hypocrite.

Ben-no-bike-asaki wrote:

We have that in our own prisons. Whats your point?

Oh, we have twelve year olds sawing folks heads off in our prisons now huh? What country do you live in Ben? I'm starting to think maybe you're not from around here.

Benasaki wrote:

Thats sad to hear, when did this happen? post link to the baby strangled in a medical waste cabinet

It's going on all over the country Ben, can you do a google search?

http://www.abortiontv.com/Misc/BabyPartsForSale.htm

Part #1 An informant (in disguise), describes how she (and others at the company she worked for) gathered fetal tissue at abortion clinics for later resale to pharmaceutical companies.

Part #2 Describes how she’s been presented with many live fetuses including a set of twins, gasping for air. The doctor exclaimed "Got you some good specimens – twins!" The doctor then drowned them. Other times, doctors would break the neck or beat the fetus to death with a pair of tongs.

Part #3 Describes how some woman undergoing "two-day" abortions would go into labor and deliver a live baby – and the abortionist would leave the babies without medical care to die slowly. Describes how abortionists consistently discouraged women from trying to keep their babies (if they changed their minds) by forcing them into having an abortion after administering more sedation. Also tells how many abortionists make sexual advances to patients.

Benapyscho wrote:

Hah, and your going to try and judge me when your saying its ok to put a human life through torture?

No Ben, your type would rather kill defenseless fetus' than torture somebody.

Benasaki wrote:

2) If you believe breaking the law is OK, then I fear for this country.

Who broke the law Ben? You mean enhanced interrogation of vicious terrorist murderers? You mean the techniques that were briefed and approved by a bipartisan panel of the House and Senate including "Botox Breath Pelosi" before being put into service? Nothing was done until the Congress had approved the new interrogation techniques Ben, that makes it law. By the way Ben, these people we're talking about are not citizens of the U.S and they are not uniform wearing enemy combatants therefore they do not qualify for either Constitutional protection or protection afforded our enemies under the Geneva Convention in time of war. Do you think these guys follow rules of interrogation when they capture one of our boys Benny? You need to really do some homework cause your ignorance is showing. These animals were treated much more humanely then they deserved. They are still alive, suffered no permanent physical damage and many are back in action killing American soldiers and innocent civilians. Ben, you astound me with your stupidity!

Kruz

* Last updated by: Kruz on 4/28/2009 @ 2:08 PM *

[quote] Am I getting this right Ben? (remember Ben,the captors are NOT going to be killed or physically harmed in any way-but your loved ones are surely going to die horribly without mercy).You'd rather let that happen,yes? It's a simple question,with a simple straightforward answer./quote]

Ben, YES or NO ? Be honest.

They are still alive, suffered no permanent physical damage and many are back in action killing American soldiers and innocent civilians.

How they are treated does not seem so important when you know the above is so very True.

Ben doesn't care about the lives of the murdering terrorists any more than he cares about unborn children in their mothers womb. Notice he never says anything about the 3000 Americans who died in the Twin Towers on 9-11, they don't count cause they were just Americans and probably deserved it. No Ben hates America just like the Reverend Wright and President Oblameyou do and would like to see it brought to it's knees and destroyed. I would love to ship Ben's worthless hide over to Pakistan and let him spend some feel good time with the Taliban so he could find out first hand what torture really is all about. Maybe they'd skin him alive and he could come back and tell us about it.

Y'know we really shouldn't blame Ben, what it really comes down to here is finger pointing to take the focus off Obama as he destroys the American economy and wrecks U.S. power and prestige in the world. Ben's just a mindless tool, a non-thinking pawn in a political chess match.

Kruz

* Last updated by: Kruz on 4/28/2009 @ 3:27 PM *

AND HE HAS NO BIKE

ya well I think we have about wasted enough time with this character guys. He's been drinking the coolaid so nuthing will get through. Boring, rather low brow time waster.

* Last updated by: painterdude on 4/28/2009 @ 11:34 PM *

[quote]You OK, Ben?/quote]

No, I don't think he is.

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