Anyone done the drill-down on these two manufacturers on Laser Jamming technology?

Which one did you select, and why?

I like the Adaptiv tech for the lab certifications they undergo.

I like the Escort for providing rear jamming capability.

I think they both use some sort of laser tech that detects the incoming laser signal phase, and has the controller shift the phase of the outgoing laser signal, thereby jamming the source (laser gun). Thats a very simplistic description of a very complex process, but you get the idea. They likely both do this sort of method, probably in different ways.

Escort mentions something about a 3rd part vendor (Cincinatti Microwave) supplying some sort of connective link in their system, I'm not sure what system modules it links up.

Anyway, I think I understand that Laser guns use the reflectivity of "shiny parts" to get some of their laser energy back to the gun. Things like headlight reflectors, and license plates (the thing that Escort covers, and Adaptiv does not).

The AZ tag has reflective materials in it, for nite time visibility.

And, AZ state law prohibts my blocking the plate's reflectivity (ie: covering it with a non-reflective anything). They know what's going on with this stuff...

So, I'm leaning towards Escort (and it's $100 cheaper) because it covers the plate area in the rear.

What do the best and brightest think?

Cincinnati Microwave is Escort Radar's parent company.

If you go to the Cheetah or Blinder site, and watch video of a laser gun being used, you will see on the motorcycles it doesn't take much for the laser to work and get a lock.

They don't need a "reflective" surface, they just need a surface to bounce off of. It can be flat black mottled paint or even rubber, and the laser will be able to lock.

adaptive jammer is made by blinder for adaptive so when you do your comparisons use the blinder m-27 and adaptive does have the 2nd lead for a second jammer head and a special plate bracket for mounting it. but their research has showed the majority of laser is at the front of the vehicle

The Bottom Line
The four-head Blinder M47 is clearly the more effective laser-jamming solution, particularly on larger vehicles and on those whose design makes them easier targets for lasers. On both target vehicles it displayed weapons-grade jamming performance against every laser gun.

In contrast, the Escort ZR4 displayed gaps in its performance envelope. But it offers adequate protection against most lasers, an easier installation and a superior user interface. At a $449 price point, its standard rear jammer may give it a competitive edge over the $479 Blinder M27. But head-to-head with the Blinder M47, in overall performance the ZR4 lags far behind.

Regardless, now might be a good time to consider some protection. The laser is the tool of choice for motorcycle traffic officers and its numbers are growing daily. So if you're shopping for an antidote. a sophisticated, well-constructed laser jammer like the Blinder or Escort is the only proven defense. Either can easily pay for itself in a single laser encounter.

in the weeks of research i did before buying the adaptive jammer the only system that was rated # 1 was Laser Interceptor but its also twice as much.

I can tell you first hand that the Adaptive system WORKS!! lol has jammed laser a few times for me saving me points on my license

...adaptive does have the 2nd lead for a second jammer head and a special plate bracket for mounting it. but their research has showed the majority of laser is at the front of the vehicle.

Yup, you're right. They do provide wiring for a 2nd, rear facing, jammer head and offer it as an extra cost item.

I got this in reply to an inquiry:

"Hi Bob,
You can get rear protection by purchasing an additional rear transponder along with the jammer system:
http://www.adaptivtechnologies.com/adaptiv_store/index.php?main_page=product_info&cPath=72&products_id=223
Hope this helps. Let us know if you need anything else.
Thank you,
Adaptiv Technologies
www.AdaptivTech.com
"

I also agree with the "front of the vehicle" attack mode being most common.

The thing that keeps me from immediately purchasing any of these is the false alarm rate using either of these unit.

The Escort site is chock-full of written threads regarding the unit's apparent false alarms from the use of the car horn. Multiple write ups about that... There's also sensitivity to emissions from the sun and sky, if/when the units are pointing at them (ie: up-hill). Multple write-up about that, too.

I did read the entire comparo you quoted, and it alludes somewhat to false alams scenarios:

Laser alerts increasingly are being caused by laser-based adaptive cruise controls (ACC) used by Infiniti, Lexus and several other manufacturers. These operate on the same frequency as police lasers and are indistinguishable by laser jammers, which false-alarm accordingly. Drivers accustomed to these incidents may unwittingly ignore a real attack, making the Escort ZR4's continuous-transmitting design philosophy the more effective. (The Blinder may also be set to transmit continuously by connecting it via the USB port and changing the settings online.)

I'm still spinning up on the Adaptiv, and so I'm interested in anything you can tell me about your experience with false alarms, and how often they occur during "normal" operations (city .v country-side).

* Last updated by: mebgardner on 8/5/2012 @ 3:12 PM *

Privateer:

They don't need a "reflective" surface, they just need a surface to bounce off of. It can be flat black mottled paint or even rubber, and the laser will be able to lock.

I agree, with the caveat that the detection distance will decrease with a decrease of the reflectivity of the target being attacked. Rubber can be "lit up", but does not reflect as much laser emission energy as a piece of chrome.

i have gotten zero false alarms with the jammer ive had it go off 3 times and all with a statey shooting laser. now the radar detector a different story in town seems the home depot has quite the effect on it lol but there are mutiple settings for filtering that out just never went thru them to see if they do indeed filter the stores out or not

priv i read somewhere that they will even target your helmet with the laser cause its a bigger target

Stealth Running

Unfortunately for speeders, the ability to have complete invisibility to police radar and laser doesn't exist.

Experts including Radar Roy recommend additional products that can help delay vehicle detection by police radar and laser. The simplest is a black bra used to protect the front of a vehicle from road debris and stone chips. Because it covers much of the vehicle's reflective surface, a black bra dramatically reduces the light reflected back to a laser gun.

Because headlights, fog lights and license plates must remain visible - and are highly reflective - these can be treated with radar/laser absorbing coating. These coatings (Laser Veil is one of the brands in this category) reduce reflectivity, giving a driver more time to react once their detector device signals an alarm.

Currently, limited invisibility is the best that speeders can hope for in the ever-changing game of cat and mouse with vigilant law enforcement. If there is one thing to expect, it's that technology will continue to evolve and these constant shifts in the balance of power will keep things interesting.

I've been trying to find a local installer (Tucson 85743, or Phoenix) for the Adaptiv / Blinder products, but they dont answer their mail or their phone.

I'm beginning to believe they're going under...

OMG this is getting annoying. ^^^^