so this winter i did a little work on my 14. stock headers came off, cut out the cat, re-welded, bead-blasted, and painted em'. bolt back up w/ new header gaskets, and kept the yohi tri oval pipes. installed pcIII under seat (very difficult to run wires this way, but very clean look and accessible). took out secondary butterflies. installed smog block-off plates and plugged re-breather. installed Ivans new map for 08's. Ivan helped me on the phone setting the idle and throttle settings for my bike. Still have a little adjustment to do on idle setting. slapped on a new rear tire (PP 2ct). changed the oil, air filter, and cleaned chain. Finally got a break in the weather and went out for a 30mile test ride. All i can say is wow. stock the bike always felt as if there was a ton of power on hand, but you had to be willing to reach down and grab it to get all the bike had to offer. Not so now. the bike requires much less input to get impressive output. Nice linear power, no noticeable dip or lag. very pleased. I really am impressed.

I have a 4 day Arkansas ride planned in a few weeks. now i just need to install my new gps w/ techmount. I think Im going to install a weather resistant fuse bus first. Im running a radar detector w/ heads up display, the gps, and a 12 volt outlet in the dash. Im going to spend a little time upgrading the wiring using a sea gate fuse bus under the seat. Then I should be good to go.

I have a few pics of the header work if someone wants to host em.

-mark

* Last updated by: firecombs on 2/21/2010 @ 9:19 AM *

Cool. Does the PCIII fit throught that crack under the battery comparment? The PCV just barely makes it.

This reminds me of when i installed Ivans little goodies on my bike.Pulled flies,tre006a,pipes,pc111,Ivans map.
I was really surprised the first time out when i slammed into the limiter
Great job on your mods
btw throttle points can be a grey area!!!

I have a few pics of the header work if someone wants to host em.

pics please

installed Ivans new map for 08's. Ivan helped me on the phone setting the idle and throttle settings for my bike.

Sounds like your in good hands. I know Ivan was offering a FREE custom tune if you brought in a 08 or newer. I guess some one did. Was it you ?

Sounds like your in good hands. I know Ivan was offering a FREE custom tune if you brought in a 08 or newer. I guess some one did. Was it you ?

nah... Dallas to NY is a little to ambitious a ride for me.

Let me ask you something, Privvy. Did you have Jeffo help set the accel and all you did was download Brock's map, but there was no accel setting to speak of? No zero to 100 reset. Jeffo walked you thru the accel cut. This is my assumption. How close am I?

Two, I would need the pigs in pc3 and pc5 being for the 5 I am half way there. I already have my fuel cutter that is more the pc5 without self sniffing itself to reprogram whatever was programmed. And here doug states a gray area. So if I understand this gray area as a concept how many buttons are on a pc5.

What does M/O or the middle button mean? Mode/Options? Mid-Cut button?

Accel Mode =
Cruise Mode =

I changed no map but an air screw. If I had the piggy in line, I would feel a smootherichereturn. It seems if no accel mode was set richer, Brocks accel would follow OEM or that slight buzz the box does. Either Jeffo brought the accel down/up on his setting? Since you can't turn the accel off in the ECU, you can only richen that mode from stock to rich, meaning, it is turned off if left alone all stock. It's buzzed rich from its stock mode. Correct?

So what I am trying to figure out is how consistent that phone call is. How the same old routine is walk you thru the setup to setting the accel mode going, there is your enhance or what you think is map is more a close setup. There are way too many bikes that get the generic shot of that accel mode rather than someone having a shit load of maps with a shit load of pipe/ac/dual this/4-in-1 pipes/with GPS hack/without hack/combo after combo/hit-miss me foul plug my iridiums/bad map = Can please them all.

There is another Ivan I am not about to spend thousands on power commander hardware, plug both old 3 and new 5 pc kind of research Ivan's simple hack to that simple same old trick. Without product in hand like look at that 2 cent resister against I don't wanna do the math on those boxes times a lot of plugging in and AFR watching map after map.

Do I need to find that answer? Not really. Could I figure out the Jeffo trick... Did I figure out Ivan's?

Hub is posting comments to me in threads I haven't even posted in yet. He must be psychic!

firecombs wrote:

have a 4 day Arkansas ride planned in a few weeks. now i just need to install my new gps w/ techmount. I think Im going to install a weather resistant fuse bus first. Im running a radar detector w/ heads up display, the gps, and a 12 volt outlet in the dash. Im going to spend a little time upgrading the wiring using a sea gate fuse bus under the seat. Then I should be good to go.

I put a positive (+) fuse block up front under the right ram air cover. It has a big fat red wire attached to the battery (+) and a skinny little blue wire tapped into the right running light.

So the fuse block won't power anything up unless the ignition is turned on. I could have gone one step further and made it not until the bike was running, but was too lazy. At least when I turn the bike off, everything is shut off.

By putting the fuse block up front, its easy to wire GPS (done), heated grips (done), variable heat BMW sockets x 2 (done), and float charger pigtail without running extra wire. In fact, this fuse block will disconnect the float charger if you turn the ignition on.

For ground, I just ran a big fat black wire from battery (-) up to the same area as the fuse block, and when I need a ground, I just tap into it.

So far, in massive downpours and everything else, this has been 100% reliable.

* Last updated by: privateer on 7/11/2011 @ 11:04 AM *

OK, now that I've got you here, you are bad mouthing Brock's map and I need a reason why. Why? Because you now have both maps and can see who is the plus and how is the minus or who stayed the same in the X to Y of it... If you setup all 3 maps, meaning, Ivan/Brock/Jeffo, you could see who has pattern, who has hit and miss who has the AFR kicking butt in the RPM range if you cross the eyes and dot the teas.

Oh, there she blows. Lets go software man. Cough up the grid patters so no one is upset they handing over their bad mouthed tune

LOL you can't read either.

I never said anything negative about Brock's map, in fact, if you bothered to read you'd know I initially had doubts Jeffo's map could come close to being as good as Brock's since Brock Davidson himself tweaked a track map so I could run it on the street. And now I think Jeffo's map is, seat-of-the-pants-only, better than the map Brock gave me.

Which is in no way badmouthing Brock's map, I'm just saying Jeffo's map "feels" better to me. Which in the end is all that matters. I might even switch it back just to make sure I'm not dreaming.

So when you get your facts straight, and quit misquoting me, I might answer you.

As soon as I have money, I'll dyno Jeffo's map and post the jpeg, and it will be whatever it is. But if the bike keeps running as good as it is, now, I don't care what the dyno numbers are.

Yo Hub...when I talked to Jeffo a ways back,told him I had "tweaked" the three buttons on the faceplate..he said.."NO...do not mess with those"...so he told me to reload the map and leave it alone on the powercommander.I did.I have a PCIII usb on mine.

* Last updated by: blue07 on 7/11/2011 @ 2:15 PM *

seat of the pants isn't necessarily better,it could feel quicker because its not as smooth, a dyno comparo would be nice,1/4 mile times would be better

LOL, well, yes you did. You said the Brockinstone can't step toe to toe with the rocks like a Jeffo map can. I can't see how you can compare all that top end go nothing for you on the bottom grunt like a stocker or a Jeffo pulls your plunger.

I did ask if you were told to set the accel plunger as per Jeffo and did Brock walk you thru an accel or say to shut down the accel or see how you can't read the black and white question and now I have to question your reading comprehension?

I'm not taking you drinking if I have to pick you up off the flow.

Yes, blue? I see that trigger finger is saying what I am trying to relay. He set the trim, you moved the D-J and a-N up and down or crossed over [each other] and did not cut that sort of same hall effect. You have some window to play in. If that kit-ECU works in the generic and I have [seen it] use the two tiny chiprom machines. WATT crosscheck program does is each other before it it sent to the ECU for final distribution. Then, the ECU sends in the absolute signal either soft-stock or hard-hacked.

WATT happens next is I am going to assume I see the same block-check it does in the kit software is out check your (+) and machines in a (-) to counter your number. Those machined chips added up some strange numbers. They [your toggle buttons] being out of phase with the two machine checkers = Turnsafe-Limp.

What I've played with in the kit-ECU is to send in a number, refresh and shown the door. Like, with a (no can do) with your number. We now replace it with this number to remain within parameters. So Jeffo was saying to refresh to his original map... And don't forget to reset the accel too, right? As per instructions you repeated the process.

Well,I didn't need to alter the Accel values...they were already programmed in "separate" from the fuel values.Although...yes...I did initially program them in as per Jeffo.They stayed the same even with me "changing" the low,mid,and high.I guess the buttons will override the installed map values.But after powering off the pc...completely with an unplug...then reinstalling the said map...the other values are still locked in...only the button values are removed.

Hub wrote:

LOL, well, yes you did. You said the Brockinstone can't step toe to toe with the rocks like a Jeffo map can. I can't see how you can compare all that top end go nothing for you on the bottom grunt like a stocker or a Jeffo pulls your plunger

Quote me, like I just quoted you above, where I said that, Hub.

Who took a ride over pebbles then? Was that you, Priv? What someone wrote then, compared maps. If that was not you then, my apologies.

Hub, I only took issue with you on that statement because you, and others on this forum, tend to attribute (as implied quotes) statements incorrectly or totally out of context in order to make a point or further your side of a debate.

Point of order, I NEVER said anything negative about Brock's track map, much less "bad mouth" it.

In moderated debate, that is a fatal flaw, and would cost you the debate no matter how good your logic is.

If you want, for instance, to say I am in favor of Kawasaki scrapping the ZX14 (end-of-lifing it) you would need to take at a minimum full sentences, and better still, paragraphs (unlike blue I actually use punctuation and paragraphs) and put them in

quotes

If that is too difficult, then just don't make statements you can't back up, because it makes you seem untrustworthy.

* Last updated by: privateer on 7/12/2011 @ 12:18 PM *

Compare Grid positions and Privvy said what?

Like I was in the gravel hell of Gettysburg PA KOA, and here the difference between my very good Brock Davidson custom track-to-street map and F.A.I.C. map.

Brock - got rid of the hesitation off idle nicely
F.A.I.C. - same thing, and made the progression from idle to 3,500 more linear and silky smooth

Brock - pulls from 3,500 in 5th gear really well
F.A.I.C. - same thing, but noticeably stronger and quicker

In fact, I pulled from 3,500ish in 6th gear this weekend to go around two cages in not a lot of passing room, and she just flew past them and ended up going like 100 mph unintentionally.

So the F.A.I.C. map is not night and day better than the Brock I have, and maybe not in all areas. But I love the strong pull off idle and in roll-on pulls.

So it was you then that compared map for map. Didn't I say one was a call me map and the other was a HP map if we want to run one against the other. It will show the grunt change on the bottom is why you can take off in 6th.

... then just don't make statements you can't back up, because it makes you seem untrustworthy.

None of which was

you are bad mouthing Brock's map

In fact, I have always given Brock's map (the one he sent me) good marks. Drawing observed comparisons and saying the F.A.I.C. map is not clearly better than Brock's in all areas is hardly "bad mouthing".

So in my eyes, you are untrustworthy Hub, and thats the last time I'll say anything about it.

* Last updated by: privateer on 7/13/2011 @ 8:16 AM *

Don't take offense if you meant it another way and I took it this way. And you have to imagine you are me thinking your read is read me read you. And one more thing. I copied and pasted the BR/CM and then randomly kept pasting so I have no clue what I am about to say it is all diarrhea anyway.

Beer Rock: Chew hear that guy pebble stone me a cobby brick road a brock load?
Call Me: Oh, I've come around here and I don't see you hear anymore.

Beer Rock: No, I pop in and you see any pop on decel on my cells I hit the red button and read the chart. Your bike?
Call Me: No bike. I can shoot the x to y can't you?

Beer Rock: Well, no one is going to call me in a bit about a shoulder injury and now can ride again and remembers...
Call Me: ... WOT!

Beer Rock: Let me finish... He said there was a low speed x to y miss is that your map is crap ing out?
Call Me: Win some lose some.

Beer Rock: You mean sales like I can buy two bulletproofs for the price of the going rate price of a 4-in-1?
Call Me: Price is right!

Beer Rock: You cock sucker you. Why, I ought to bad mouth your map then.
Call Me: How can you. Did you phone yours in?

Beer Rock: Well no.
Call Me: Anyone calling or swapping maps like you have a map that pebbles over and over?

Beer Rock: Yeah. More like drop the clutch look out it's brutal keep it pointed straight is it 1320 ready.
Call Me: Mine is ready for peddle pushing like your bottom end was just too nasty and he called to tone it down.

* Last updated by: Hub on 7/13/2011 @ 10:45 AM *