Thanks Rook but I don't see anything, it may be time to get Bill Gordon on the case.....

Here ya go, just posted as a normal link and it worked fine.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=53LV1XnCEKM

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VoWfWafHUXc

* Last updated by: Kruz on 7/13/2021 @ 10:48 AM *

Wow man. Must be because I still have Flash Player. I see the embedded videos. Maybe videos only work on this site with Flash Player.

* Last updated by: Rook on 7/13/2021 @ 11:12 AM *

Next time you see your 'blip buddy' ask him if this makes sense.
1. Hours: seconds turns into minutes goes the blip on the hours clocked on the engine. Wasting forward movement.
2. Mileage: A decline, right?
3. Friction Feed: The revs eat at the immediates call it, or those that collapse first. Dollars Wasted.

Damn, Kruz, you've got a problem. However, the VTX is a no brainer. Other than that, nice pieces looking back. I guess the older ones gotta go or they bottom out kind of. I'd say keep the top 3. The 14 is up in the air. That's first year so you can age with that one. So say sell half the fleet. Unless you want to keep the 600 and axe the 10r?

Hubster you apparently still have the golden touch, how'd you make those videos appear like that? Rook and I couldn't make it work and gave up.... .

Next time you see your 'blip buddy' ask him if this makes sense.
1. Hours: seconds turns into minutes goes the blip on the hours clocked on the engine. Wasting forward movement.
2. Mileage: A decline, right?
3. Friction Feed: The revs eat at the immediates call it, or those that collapse first. Dollars Wasted.

Does any one speak Hubbish and can assist on the translation? I have no idea what Hub just said....

Funny how we both go into a turn and step it up. That's you're camera guy making comments. You make me sit taking a ride with you and I pick up your habits like too much throttle on the clutch release, is your camera guy. He's got a squid only a throttle makes. Translation, swap two words around.

So those extra blips means, once that lever is out, now go ahead and blip the throttle around the corner or burn the clutch out going nowhere around that slow intersection. Add the blips and that means gas mileage stinks with all that excess revving in the excess.

Tell your camera guy, next vid, I do not expect to hear a peep once that lever it out, never pull back in but to stop. I had two cameras rolling, here at the foot, and one at the lever. Lever is 16min and this is shorter, but the point is, there is rarely any extra revving with bike or car.

I want to see camera boy jump in his car and now with an automatic, throw it in neutral and rev it before you leave the intersection and slam it back in gear before the revs come down... Get my point? His good points are passing and crossing back way out ahead.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2UJ56pYXOpw

OK Hub got it, the camera man needs some help with his clutch and throttle blip.. To be honest, I didn't pay any attention to it until you mentioned it. You're the first to view that video and notice or maybe no one else decided to comment.

Next subject, I mounted track tires on my 14 today, Bridgestone RS-11s front and rear. What is a good base line psi for these on a ZX-14, street/track settings? I've settled on 31.5 psi front and 30 psi rear for these same tires on my liter bikes and the 600, works well but the 14 is a heavy weight.

* Last updated by: Kruz on 7/14/2021 @ 7:22 PM *

Kruz - You remind me of me and my friend Mark. Mark has waaaay more riding experience than me, including some racing, and no matter what bike he's on he is always always always faster than me. And effortlessly, confidently. I accept that and just ride my ride. I do like you: Point n shoot. Not as good in the corners so I take them how I can then try to blast off to try to catch up in the straights. Be safe my friend. Not worth crashing over.

Which reminds me: Last week I logged into the RC51 forum for the first time in ages, probably a year or two, and one of the regulars for many years maybe a decade or more, JonDog9, 61 y.o., super nice guy, always very friendly on the forum and helpful to all, never any negative posts of any kinds .. well, the poor guy was riding alone and lost control of his bike, crashed and died. Can happen quick. Very quick. https://sweetjames.com/2021/03/10/john-walker-fatally-struck-in-motorcycle-crash-on-butts-canyon-road-middletown-ca/ Just like the lady in a local riding club, Marta, I was on a cruiser ride with 7-8 years ago: In a slow, sweeping left-hander she let her cruiser drift off the pavement onto the grass, steered left back toward the pavement, started sliding, and when the tires hit pavement they grabbed and she high-sided, went UP and I'm pretty sure landed on her head. Had no helmet on, but probably wouldn't have mattered. Street tires are zero good off street (grass, dirt, etc .. no good).

Kruz - You remind me of me and my friend Mark. Mark has waaaay more riding experience than me, including some racing, and no matter what bike he's on he is always always always faster than me. And effortlessly, confidently. I accept that and just ride my ride. I do like you: Point n shoot. Not as good in the corners so I take them how I can then try to blast off to try to catch up in the straights. Be safe my friend. Not worth crashing over.

I think you might have gotten it backward, that's not me filming the action, I'm John, the guy out in front on the little green ZX-6R in both videos, the guy chasing me with the GoPro is Chris, on a Ducati V2 and he's the one doing the point and shoot 140+ mph on the straights trying to play catch up, I'm making all my time in the corners and cruising the straights waiting up for him, no more than 105 mph, 140 mph is way too dangerous on that road, too many private drives and such, I've warned him about that...

* Last updated by: Kruz on 7/14/2021 @ 9:33 PM *

I forgot to mention how the domino effect of the clutch moves, as if picking up the few and starting all over again is that accelerated wear at the inner plates that burnout first... and that's how you wear out a duc, tell him. He said he wanted to keep it for a long time... ahhh I don't think so. Garage queen, maybe.

Don't ask me about pressure. I'm no expert on this. I just shoot in the pressure the crew chief tells me. But I became intrigued with the tire pattern changes between pressures. That gumballing has to be eliminated more or less. It's eating the rubber off, right? So we look for a ripple like pattern all around the tire.

Ripple effect would be a glass smooth lake, then the softest breeze and the ever so tiny waves. Oceans too. It's constant looking around the tire. Go shoot your 600's front and rear. Chicken strip and up is the shot so we can discuss the patter.

The race tires I work with are slicks so I have no clue what a street pressure would be for the OE's? However, that 31/30 sounds pretty close for street compounds. Pretty close to the slicks. The grain of salt added: too low a pressured tire and how it's sketchy under you. Some can ride it, other can't. So if you feel it do something funny, yeah it's not like it will go out from under you but... all in the feel, right?

The heat part. I take that into the realm of the black art. That's where the ambient v. the pressure to heat the tire up... thus the low pressures. I believe you are fighting that day out on the romp. See how you have to work the heat into the tire and chase that pattern? And then the read are things like the cold sheer lines. Or say a change of that pattern that is 'not all full-same ripple' call it.

Let's put it this way... that low 30 up front is a confidence number as opposed to a book 42 and pushing that front end with the 14 or any bike. I'm squeezed a few pounds over 42 so I more wear a set of ice skates. If I push it, I'll wear out the tips of my shoes. And trust me, that fucking hurt some with that little bite.

This is what you're looking for. It was easy to pick out because it follows nature sorta-kinda. I typed in 'ocean ripple ' hit image and as I scanned the photos, boom, there it is!
https://wallpaperscraft.com/download/sea_ripple_water_126817/1920x1080

I do not suggest you use 1Bad's tire pressures he uses for his bikes... bad, just bad.
https://motoridersuniverse.com/uploads/news/1a/5c/720/220026591455ef41a5c.jpg

Hello Hub, I'll see about posting up some pics of the tire wear patterns on the other bikes, all on the Bridgestone RS-11s now except for the ZX-6R I'm riding in the videos, which is on the previous gen RS-10s, good tires but not as good as the RS-11s in delivering ultimate cornering grip. The RS-11s are a super soft track compound, epic cornering grip (think Pirelli Super Corsa V3 here) but very rapid wearing and I'm seeing some cold tearing on the edges at 30 psi rear, 31.5 psi front on all the bikes fitted with these tires. Have not ridden the 14 yet on the new RS-11s, plan to do a mission this morning and scrub them in. After a brisk run the other morning on my Ducati 959, I saw a 3 psi hot pressure rise rear and 2.5 psi hot pressure rise front, e.g. 30 psi cold to 33 psi hot on the rear, 31.5 psi cold to 34 psi hot on the front. The general rule of thumb for track use is about 4-5 psi cold to hot rise but the cornering is much more aggressive on track with less time to cool off on the straights, so I may be close where I'm at. After scrub in on the 14, I'll get the cold-hot rise numbers and see if I'm in the ball park. On the previous BT-016s on the 14, I've run 34 psi rear and 35.5 psi front with good effect, can get all the way to the edge of both tires front and rear at those pressures so I'm not leaving much on the table but am wondering if lowering to 30 psi rear, 31.5 psi front cold pressure may deliver better stick when pushing the tires hard.

I forgot to mention how the domino effect of the clutch moves, as if picking up the few and starting all over again is that accelerated wear at the inner plates that burnout first... and that's how you wear out a duc, tell him. He said he wanted to keep it for a long time... ahhh I don't think so. Garage queen, maybe.

I can't tell the camera man on the Ducati V2 anything Hub, trust me I've tried! In the videos you can clearly see him doing crazy speeds on the straight sections of road playing ketchup. Lettuce bee clear here, 146 mph is relatively safe on a well maintained sportbike on a straight section of super slab with zero traffic but these are bumpy, two lane farm to market roads with slow moving farm traffic and soccer moms in SUVs entering the road from random private drives. His buddies on the Ducati V2 forum apparently gave him grief for not being able to overtake me on a lowly 600, possibly trying to over compensate?

* Last updated by: Kruz on 7/15/2021 @ 11:38 AM *

Hubster, I split the difference and went with 32 psi cold on the rear and 33.5 psi cold on the front tire for the first ride on the 14. I did a quick 34 mile run with 57 corners earlier this morning. Hot pressures after the ride rose by 2 psi on both front and rear, so 34 psi hot on the rear and 35.5 hot on the front.

Bike handled like a jumbo ZX-6R after scrubbing in the tires a bit, epic! I was able to get to the edge on the rear very quickly and the wear looks Ok, a little orange peel near the center and some more near the edge but less than I am getting on the liter bikes with these same tires.

Here's the front RS-11 after the 34 mile run this morning, mold whiskers still there but got within about 1/4" or so of the tire edge with some waviness which I put down to suspension tuning, might need a touch more rebound or perhaps with a few more miles it will settle down? Fork lower needs cleaning, looks like brake dust buildup on there...

All in a all I am very pleased, first time I've run the old girl on track rubber and my cornering speeds were right up there with my smaller bikes on the same tires. In fact the 14 may even feel a touch better now on the high speed sweepers with that longish wheel base, rock steady stability.

You've got that 14 pretty much cranked over. The more I think of comparing 57 corners v. 12 on a track, ahh, I don't know? The tires cool down from turn to turn. The ripples in the center is darting away out of the corners or getting up to them. I don't expect to see that pattern continue down to the chicken strip because of the lag time. You couldn't touch them coming in off the track when that ripple covers most of the tire.

I'll ask my witness one day, but he was in back of me and I lost the front end going down the snake. Touring tires and who knows what pressure it was? It's big and I wouldn't push it-push it if you know what I mean.

* Last updated by: Hub on 7/16/2021 @ 12:13 AM *

Good Morning Hub, my thoughts as well, 12 turns on a typical 1.5 mile long race track gives the tires no time to cool down and tire temps/pressure will rise more. On my road ride, 57 corners in 34 miles is only about one turn every 1/2 mile or so, tires cooling down, can't keep the heat in them, so 5 psi hot rise would not be valid. I think I'm close to ideal pressure setting for road conditions here. I couldn't believe how tranquil the 14 was on track rubber when cornering hard, I'm thinking this thing is as good as any bike in my garage on equal tires, at least on the road? Track would be different as wrestling the mass of the 14 through the chicanes would wear me out pretty quick and the more nimble liter bike/600s would be more effective. Bottom line, for this type of road, the 14 holds it's own with the lighter, more track focused machines on the right rubber. Only deficit I could feel was in the braking department, still running OEM pads and need a handful of lever to get it slowed for corners where smaller bikes are a two finger affair. Might be interesting to have V2 clutch squid follow me on the 14 with his GoPro locked and loaded, compare cornering on same road to the ZX-6R version. My guess is 14 holding it's own with ZX-6R mid corner but 14 would dominate on corner exit speed.

Hubmeister, here's the rest of the herd, all cold tire pressures are 30.0 psi rear, 31.5 psi front. All rear tires are 190/55ZR-17 Bridgestone RS-11s with exception of the 959 Ducati which has a Pirelli Super Corsa SP 180/60ZR-17 and the ZX-6R which is shod with a Bridgestone RS-10 180/55ZR-17 hoop. Similar wear patterns with some differences noted. Your thoughts, look OK or need tire pressure/suspension adjustments?

2015 Honda CBR1000RR SP Repsol

2012 Honda CBR1000RR

2016 ZX-10R KRT Edition

2011 Kawasaki ZX-10R

2009 Kawasaki ZX-6R

2016 Ducati 959

* Last updated by: Kruz on 7/16/2021 @ 10:45 AM *

My guess is 14 holding it's own with ZX-6R mid corner but 14 would dominate on corner exit speed.

What you don't want to do is hang with trackdayers. That kind of speed elevates your game and you become conditioned to the speeds so I don't even try.

Overall photo rundown I think you have the pressures pretty much there if you look at your hot line call it. That's that ripple effect we are looking for. So where do you stop? Run a 20 at the rear, 29 front? Will the hot line expand? Do you really want to ass&crash to find out?

See, I can remember the rainbow color of the thermo effect, but is it from an old heat cycled tire or something else? So what I'm saying is I do not see that distinct prism effect near the chicken stripe area call it. Ever see that?

I'm going to guess, the Hondas are the better handlers, duc if they never left that Paso push at the bars, is more precise and in a sketchy sense of handling.

Lettuce go thru each tire and my experience noting certain things to look out for:

2015 Hon Rep ~ That tire is played. I would not push it. Pressure wise we are in there. Front is probably worse if you change your tires as a set. Look at that deep stepping at the smaller rain groove. Too deep for me. Run a round of fronts and see where we are step wise in the reading.

2012 Hon RR ~ I give this the best of the bunch. Has to be the compounds. The left side is showing ripple so the wink-wink here is, right is softer? I'd be flipping tires then if said side was more dominate in the turns. That carcass is not about to unravel if turned the other way. And the small vertical groove looks like a new tire. Ripple on both sides look great.

2016 10R ~ Same patterns. Nothing unusual.

2011 10R ~ Same-same and this comes in 2nd as far as my take on the rippling. Nice.

2009 6R ~ And we are done with this one. This is way too played out for me. I wouldn't send you out on them. Upright all day no problem. I don't see a tiny rain groove to see how deep the step is. Is this the daily bike? It's not showing any heat to cause the ripple effect.

2016 Duc ~ I mean grain of salt and what little experience I have, the D's show the same ripple and with those pressures I'd say it's an every number tire pressure no matter the brand.

Ok thanks for the analysis Hub....

* Last updated by: Kruz on 7/18/2021 @ 7:42 AM *

Hubster, a tail of two tires here, both fronts off my Honda CBR0000RRs. Top is a brand new RS-11 on my standard 2012 CBR1000RR, still showing the whiskers and within about 1/8" of the edge, handling this morning was epic on this machine.

Lower is an older RS-10 on my 2015 CBR1000RR SP Repsol Edition with 1300 miles on this tire, nearing it's sell-by-date. Still handling OK, butt hay, lettuce bee clear hear, ultimately lacking feedback at the limit when pushing the front hard.

These fronts tend to gradually wear from a U to a pronounced V shape and develop what I like to call "Hub Steer" at around 1500 miles which is a tendency to tuck the front end when cornering hard. This can bee unnerving to say the least...

* Last updated by: Kruz on 7/18/2021 @ 3:13 PM *

Looking good to me.

The 10's front has that bump in the groove. If that wear bump was a lot deeper, and now you start eating that down, I think just touching it is past its due date.