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Created on: 05/17/13 08:48 AM

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bugcj



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DIY Ecu reflash
05/17/13 8:48 AM

Just thought i would let you all know about this

http://www.woolichracing.com/Products.aspx

It's an ecu reflash kit

I have just purchased the kit to do my zx14r. the software looks easy to use but still have to wait for delivery of the harness

the video below gives an overview for programing the 14

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9WYjZrpa-ZU&sns=em

Best of all the guy behind it is based in oz

This will allow you to do the same as a guhl reflash but in my case I don't want to send my ecu overseas

I have created my map to upload once the harness arrives. I have left the Full mode as normal. but the low mode have turned into my custom map .. flys 100% at at 3200rpm ignition maps adjusted etc...

Will update once I have done the changes and had dynoed again


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RE: DIY Ecu reflash
05/17/13 10:20 AM

I want one?....



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RE: DIY Ecu reflash
05/17/13 1:10 PM

I don't care what it is... I want one! I am a geek anyway, so if there is a computer in anyway involved I really want one ;) I wonder if I could write it off as "continuing education" ;)



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RE: DIY Ecu reflash
05/17/13 1:26 PM

Nice work Bugcj - will be following this post regularly :)



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RE: DIY Ecu reflash
05/17/13 7:14 PM

Hot damn dude!!!! I've been trying to figure how to incorporate 2 different tunes into the ecu. Haha I never thought to use the low and high for the trigger!



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RE: DIY Ecu reflash
05/18/13 8:33 AM

If this is do-able, me personally, I would leave low power alone for inclement weather (I live in Washington), and make full power mode= full boogie, full stomp!



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RE: DIY Ecu reflash
05/18/13 9:02 AM

cblast

the cool thing with kit it allows us to do as we please

For me personally on my old 08 power modes, traction control and abs didn't exist. I ride all year don't own a car.

so for me having the full power mode with flys etc being the nice predicatable bike i know will cover the bad weather we get in oz eg. our winter is and average english summer. the low mode now be my lunatic mode

I have had the tracking notice sent so I will the harness ready for next weekend to start the reflash

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RE: DIY Ecu reflash
05/18/13 10:36 PM

Cant wait to hear more! Please keep us in the loop sir!



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RE: DIY Ecu reflash
05/26/13 8:36 AM

Well I flashed the bike today

I have been away all week got home last night and was the first thing I did this morning. Much to my wife's delight.

I built the map in my spare time during the week

I copied the full map to the low map, simple copy and paste.

I then changed the secondary plate mapping so they are open 100% from 3000rpm and 15% throttle.(working on the theory of keeping the stock setting below this to keep smooth action)

I then added 3 degrees advance across the entire map.
increased the rev limit to 11400 disabled the o2 sensor and top speed limit.
Fuel mapping I will stick with the pcv as the dyno man prefers to work with that and i already have one.
the entire editing process was easy and painless.
I also set the neutral limiter to 5500rpm to use as two step.

result so far

the new low(lunatic) map is definitely working as a full power.
seat of the pants dyno says it feels good but wont know until i get it to my tamed dyno guy.

the neutral limiter doesn't work atm but i have asked on the woolich forum about it..

the longest part of the reflashing was removing the toolkit mounting to access the ecu

Once i get it on the dyno i will let you know the results.

will try to confirm the top speed limiter and the increased rpm limit.

I have disconnected the o2 sensor and no FI codes so far

The bike currently produces 211 bhp (STD smoothing) on the Dyno so will see if I can milk some more out of her

mods, brocks full alien head, DNA filter, pcv and tune

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RE: DIY Ecu reflash
05/26/13 9:26 PM

For those that are interested the bin file I created, you can download from here

zx14rbin

it is based on the Euro spec ECU ( abs models i understand)

it has the 02 sensor disabled
top speed limiter removed
rpm limiter raised to 11400

fuel map, ignition map, copied from full to low

Low ignition map had 3 degrees added across the range over the full map (based on the theory of the the muzzy ignition advanced wheel adding 3 degrees)

STP map (secondaries) Full map unchanged Low Map remapped to be 100% open from 3000rpm in and above 15% throttle

From what I understand you will still need the WRT license as this bin is just the changes from the base map


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bugcj



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RE: DIY Ecu reflash
05/27/13 7:04 AM

Woolich has updated his options in the bin

I have updated with safety mode removed (copied full mode maps over safety mode)
have enabled remember last traction control mode so can lock traction off

the bin is here

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RE: DIY Ecu reflash
05/27/13 10:20 AM

Awesome!!!
I am curious, why not leave the o2 sensor on and just have the ecu seek the correct A/F ratio??? It would result in even smoother fueling due to not having to add in a pcv. ?? Just curious. I know the tuner likes it that way, but why wouldn't they. No tuning necessary if your ecu is seeking 13.1:1



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RE: DIY Ecu reflash
05/27/13 10:48 AM

Hi cblast

the issue with the o2 sensor is it's a narrow band unit.
Basically it is intended to keep afr in the 14 to 15 range rather than the 12.5 to 13 range

If it was a wide band unit then that would be another story

With my old 08 model I had a map switch on the pcv one was full power the other had the cruise zone set for economy

I'M toying with the same idea on the 14r

In saying that the USA models don't have an o2 sensor

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RE: DIY Ecu reflash
05/27/13 1:24 PM

Keep us inform, I'm very interested. If it works I'm buying one.




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RE: DIY Ecu reflash
05/27/13 1:29 PM

Please, anyone chime in here if I am incorrect. But it matters not the band width of O2 sensor, it is simply a sensor. If its feedback is taken by the ecu and the ecu uses that info to pursue 13.1:1 instead of 14.9:1 , then it will adjust in the extra fuel as necessary without needing the piggyback of the PCV. The site for the setup says clearly that fuel trim levels can be adjusted. If that translates to what it should in firmware and function, then we have to merely hook up our full system w/ the O2 bung, hook up the flashed ecu and run.



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RE: DIY Ecu reflash
05/27/13 1:57 PM

That's the goal...I think;)I'm down with itLOL!!!

Dynojet and those others are most likely quite concerned with all this about now....hmmmmm.


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RE: DIY Ecu reflash
05/27/13 2:12 PM

Correct, Cblast, it's just a faster sending sensor. My understanding is it runs like this.

1. I am a bouncing ball in electrical [analog = many numbers] form.
2. I aim for 14.7 or ideal AFRatio and my range has this 'keep it in middle court' is my game.
3. I am an analog sensor with many numbers, or say I use more than one number as input.
4. I cool off rich I send a voltage signal that is less than 1.0 volt so it peaks more at 0.9v.
5. I turn lean hot I send a voltage as low as 0.1v and I begin cool off rich.
6. I have to sense this many times but I am just a 1 wire 02 sensor: I warm up with exhaust and then send input.
7. I have evolved into a self heating unit with many wires to sense data so warm me up is how I speed things up.
8. I am just a 'speed difference' between [bandwidths] of both 02 sensors, but I still send in the same 0.1v to 0.9v. range to change trim back to the penultimate number.

I may have the reverse of rich/lean are the voltage ranges, but you get the idea of the ideal?



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RE: DIY Ecu reflash
05/27/13 3:53 PM

So technically there is no need for a PCV. The reflash ECU should compensate, right?




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RE: DIY Ecu reflash
05/27/13 3:58 PM

Yes. You get flash and can change map settings like no tomorrow if all of those maps can be uploaded i.e., shown like the other data that has bin updated. Popsolong



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RE: DIY Ecu reflash
05/27/13 5:50 PM

The voltage range of a narrow band o2 is 0-1v with .5 being perfect
As hub said it's voltage moves around this as it reads. On a narrow band unit .5v is around the 14/1 afr

A wide band o2 has a voltage range of 0-5v which = 10-17/1 afr range

E.g. a dynojet pc3 for a bmw rs1100 comes with a wide band o2 which replaces the narrow unit... but then the factory ecu o2 lead plugs into the pc3 and gets the corrected signal from there.

I did until disabling the o2 have the o2 optimization unit connected to make it tune 13/1 afr.. all this did was read the voltage and offset it to make the ecu believe in was running 14/1 when it actually 13/1..

I'm just letting you know what I'm up to not that it's correct.

Just remember these bikes were given o2 sensors not for tuning but to meet euro 4 emissions law.


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RE: DIY Ecu reflash
05/27/13 6:19 PM

100mmHg to 900mmHg is open loop.
760mmHg is closed loop is western setting.

760mmHg is euro spec.
100mmHg to 900mmHg is the flash.

I'm either or.
I am handcuffed.
Please bend over and spec dis you dumb govshits!



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bugcj



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RE: DIY Ecu reflash
05/27/13 8:06 PM

Not sure what the point about barometric pressure is

but the o2 sensor only operates at at certain throttle positions in certain gears

this is also documented on the power commander website (eg the need for the o2 optimiser)as the pcv can't tune these positions due to the o2 sensor counteracting the inputs..

currently the wrt software doesn't give you access to the afr tables within the ECU
I have played with a screaming eagle race tuner for harleys

this allows you into the afr table.. but as soon as you set the afr below 13.5 it disables the o2 sensor
this is the limitation of the narrow band units (also why dyno shops don't use them to tune a bike)
this is also documented in the race tuner manual

the only thing that uses barometric pressure is the iap maps which you can now access with the wrt kit
it uses the map sensor attached to the intake.. this map is for very small throttle openings it then swaps over to tps maps at a certain point..

I don't intend for this thread to turn into a flaming session as im only passing on what I know/understand and what im doing with my bike..

if i could plug a wideband unit into my bike and have it autotune to my desired afr within the factory ecu i would be doing that.

On a side note.. if your into drag racing. in andra rules (Australian association) it is illegal to use any active tuning system on the strip. e.g closed loop. this also includes traction control and launch control..

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RE: DIY Ecu reflash
05/27/13 8:44 PM

Gotcha hub!



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RE: DIY Ecu reflash
05/27/13 9:09 PM

Not sure what the point about barometric pressure is

It's what the bike is handcuffed to in the math of it. This is what happens when the 02's [analog] fails. What happens next is the backup as in [one] digital number being sent in. Digital means: 1 number; one ohm resistance; one frequency. So what you are doing is toggling on an analog signal or toggling a single signal. You turn off the 02, what happens next is the 760mmHg is the digital move you made. The analog has the 100 to 900 range in the IAP.

Your 02 is our IAP. We have a matching sensor that sits under the seat. This is the same 100~900 range as the IAP. So it has the same exact range. Same as saying I'm going to run lean with less pressure against tail sensor: moving up a mountain. It's the same as saying, I'm feeling some fat, rich wet, we must be climbing with less air, let me ping some shit I'm getting cold too. We going ice racing? It's sort of redundant are the two? So when both sensors fail to be plugged in say? Say the bike still runs, has a 'backup' in digital is the 1ATMO.

So when mother teapot pours out the abstract saying, DFI for digital fuel injection, all she is saying is, hey look at my backup. I'm just saying fancy words for what and how the system works like. They can't get away from 3ti's: the on/off. The 1's and 0's to make it all work is all there is left is how little 14.7 is sea level and all the rest is a ping up or down in elevation/pressure/temp = 3ti's it gets complicated but easy at the same time.

but the o2 sensor only operates at at certain throttle positions in certain gears
I think you have part of it right. It is my understanding that if we ignore the trans and look at the engine, it is load canceling? The 02 cannot keep up with, nor is designed for WOT loads. It is under a light load that it kicks back in. Take a PAIR hose off and listen to it come on and off you rap the throttle up and that means under load will it hit the rev limiter: be careful. It is saying the 02 is so slow how could it keep up with the rpm if its bandwidth is slow to begin with. An 02 running slow is just for idle and cruise is more no to light load is happening: in the rpm of it.

this is also documented on the power commander website (eg the need for the o2 optimiser)as the pcv can't tune these positions due to the o2 sensor counteracting the inputs..
Correct. It's going to memorize the input you grid the cells in. If not, you have a resistance input problem? How could it if its programmed to send in the analog under 1 volt. If you are saying the 02 runs between 0.1v to 5.0v, and I am saying an 02 runs under 1.0 volts, we have a frequency problem. See how it does not matter? It just resets the input numbers from under 1v to now the analog is 0.1v to 5v it still says analog [many] and that says correct input. But if we say the input is now 0.0 to 4.1v, see the 10th of a volt lost and the remaining 10th's out of range of the 5v needed? The ECU now goes digital is the 1 atm number. Kind of see the either/or of it?

I don't intend for this thread to turn into a flaming session as im only passing on what I know/understand and what im doing with my bike..
This is how the thread should have started out to be. Solid input, bugs, solid input. No way am I flaming is passing on what I know/understand.

I'm all ears. And you're making me cry I almost had a reach around. But if you say is right you have no access to certain parts, I'm going after the bike on the outside. I'm going to bung my bike and find some smoothing on this bike with my AFR meter like I did with the 14. You are the senior 'bug master,' cj. It would take me way too long [in years] to get a handle on the inside. You've got some road on you so continue on.


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RE: DIY Ecu reflash
05/27/13 9:25 PM

this allows you into the afr table.. but as soon as you set the afr below 13.5 it disables the o2 sensor

No shit? Limp'did it? Seems like it went digital. Or now you were opened to tune? Or were you locked out of tuning and the disable means 760mmHg: you're limp'd of luck. And so the pro stock H-D's use what? A Motty, a who makes the ignition coils for cars and expanded into race piggy's ecu? MD?

Interesting.



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