Did anyone see the you tube clip of hub chasing his 14 with a phalis?
Of course that belongs on a 14 site. Not poetry.

Bo, I'm just as guilty.

Hubsy enough feuding between us. I'll keep pretending you know something about tuning and you keep pretending you know something about poetry.

Win win, patch things up and move on...

Wolf, imagine how I see some members ass a bunch of jerked off dickheads that cannot tolerate others so that is the symbol of having no balls, where it takes some just man up being out with the public and now you know some wear it well.

"I'll keep pretending you know something about tuning and you keep pretending..." Takes more than a well tuned engine/chassis to win races, fella, or we'd all be winners. Takes more than pen and paper to be a poet. Never said I was a tuner, or a poet.

* Last updated by: Hub on 10/30/2014 @ 7:18 PM *

Hub, Fuck you, Happy Halloween.

fat, dick my big fat suck... Hap pee to piss on your peeraid!

Bunch of touchy motherfuckers LOL... over a fucking flash in the mail LOLLOLLO

* Last updated by: Grn14 on 10/30/2014 @ 10:18 PM *

Ok guys I'm back , it's 11:45 here ..Got to the track at 5:30 track gets hot at 6:00 ...BUT the track EMT don't show up till a little after 7:00 ..One hour of test and tune gone ...Track was great , hooking like 25.00 dollar hooker .. Air on the other hand sucked ..87 Deg and 67% humidity for the first run of the night .. DA was 1500 feet ..As the night went on the temp dropped a bit but the humidity went up to 87% ..But from 7:00 to 10:00 the DA didn't change much .. 1500 feet to 1400 by the end of the night .. First 3 runs were on Cblast/Nels flash ..My first pass was an easy one seeing that I have been off the bike since spring .. I made an easy pass 1.38 60 foot 8.64 @ 152 MPH .. It felt much stronger than that but I have been off the bike a long time so any pass would have felt fast ..That first pass worried me a bit till I factored in the bad air and it being my first pass ..Second pass a bit better 1.37 60 8.63 @ 152 ... Now I'm really worried about this flash ..I was so worried I just about stopped and pulled the ECU out .. But I didn't , I made one more run ..1.33 60 foot 8.58 @ 160 .. Now I'm felling a bit better , 8.58 in this air not great but not all that bad either ..We were out of time from getting a late start and cars oiling down the track and waiting for clean ups ..It took me 15 mins to swap out ECUs and plug back in the P/C and I was back in line for more runs ..

Now before I go on let me tell you what I felt with the Cblast/Nels flash ..The bike mid range power was very very crisp and smooth ..I have not felt my bike run that clean ever ..Even in good air ..Even though it felt great it didn't produce the MPH I felt it would ..( in order ) 127 127 and one 128 in the 1/8 mile and 5.53 5.52 and 5.48 ..But considering the air , it was not bad and not great ..Still I tell you this , the bike was pulling hard out of the hole and like I said very very crisp throttle ..I just could not understand why the ET and MPH were low ..

So with little time left I installed the Brock/Guhl flash and P/C ..I was only able to get two quick passes in before the track closed .. ( in order ) 1.34 60 5.53 @ 130 in the 1/8 mile , 8.65 @ 155 ..last pass 1.35 60 5.50 @ 128 in the 1/8 mile and 8.60 @ 156 .. The bike no longer felt crisp , it felt sluggish but with very close to the same numbers as the Cblast/Nels flash .. Brocks/Guhl did make more MPH in the 1/8 mile with the ETs very very close to the cblast flash ..

End the end cblast/Nels flash ran the fastest ET at 8.58 ( 2 hundredths faster than Brocks ) and the fastest MPH at 160 (3.71 MPH faster than Brocks ) .. While the Brocks flash had the best MPH in the 1/8 mile even if it did feel sluggish ..Cblast put down the fastest 1/8
time with a 5.48 @ 128 .. To be fare with Brock/Guhl I only got two runs. Maybe a 3rd run would have been better ..

So for tonight testing the Cblast/Nel flash won the first round of testing .. I'm going to have to repeat this testing a few more times and hopefully in better air .. No way was the bike going to tie or break and records in this shitty air .. Teddy was with me on his ZRX 1200 and he was off a tenth and a half from his best numbers , I checked with other racers I know and they were also down on ET and MPH ..So it wasn't just me ..

Now I do have a complaint about the Cblast/Nels flast , the bike was very very hard to start ..I had to try 2 or 3 times each time I started the bike ..That bugged me ... With Brocks/Guhl flash I just pressed the button and it fired right up every time ..It has to be in the fueling at idle ..Brocks is much richer and starts cold or hot with just a flick of the starter button , Cblast/ Nels flash gave me a hard time hot or cold starting.. I'm sure this can be fixed with a little fuel adjustment .. I tell you about this because this is what I should do or anyone that tests this kind of stuff should do ..

Like Cblast has said the bike feels real Crisp , smooth and even sounds different with His flash ..All that is 100% true ..More testing needs to be done to get a clear answer on what flash is the fastest ..As far as the starting problem I'm sure we can fix that with a little fuel trim at low RPMs ..

It's too late and I don't have time to post the time tickes , BUT I will Friday when I get the time ..

Thanks Guys for hanging in there ..Sometimes it takes time to get the good stuff ( info )

Note : I should put this in .. Back half numbers on the best of Cblast and Brocks/Guhls flash runs .. 660 to 1320 ...Brocks/ Guhl 3.10 Cblast/Nels 3.10 ... Dead Heat !!! No winner ..

* Last updated by: Smokinzx14 on 10/30/2014 @ 11:12 PM *

I find your hard staring issue to be odd.... -10 degrees Fahrenheit last winter and it fired instantly with the Cblast/nels flash... Starts easy in the middle of summer to when it's in the high 90s and high as hell humidity with a hot motor....

* Last updated by: nasty on 10/30/2014 @ 11:16 PM *

Awesome first round results Smokin!!!!! What were the back half MPH numbers for both? Just curious not a panic! Thank you for the hard work and putting so much effort into this for all of us sir! I am really glad you noticed that smooth crisp feeling I stress so much. It is noticeably different in terms of the quality of the power. WOT! Very encouraging first night I would say, even though conditions weren't ideal, excellent performance.
As to the starting issue, this is a first, I have never ever once felt an issue on start-up. I have not had any customers run into this either, our idle fueling isn't lean in a way that would cause this. We can absolutely figure out what is goin on and address it though.

Cblast I added the back half numbers to the first post , they are at the bottom of the first post ... I just added them so you might have messed them :)

"Like Cblast has said the bike feels real Crisp , smooth and even sounds different with His flash ..All that is 100% true"

"he Cblast/Nels flash ..The bike mid range power was very very crisp and smooth ..I have not felt my bike run that clean ever ..Even in good air .."

These are things I was trying to say all along, but I guess I didn't say it quite as good,

I could tell something was smoother, as soon as I fired it up ! For me, the whole powerband
was different, on then streets, freeways, canyons etc ....

This flash is the real deal !

I don't understand the starting problem either, mine fires up first time, every time ...

* Last updated by: carabuser on 10/30/2014 @ 11:36 PM *

The starting problem seemed odd to me also.. I had to crank and crank to get it to fire up ..Why ? I have no clue ..Once I put the other flash back in it started just with a bump of the button every time ..Leave it to me to have the only one with a problem ...Go figure ..

Now before I go on let me tell you what I felt with the Cblast/Nels flash ..The bike mid range power was very very crisp and smooth ..I have not felt my bike run that clean ever ..Even in good air

Just being able to quote a gentleman that has been a hero of mine, is something truly special. Talk about the realization of a dream! Your reputation and track record literally speak for themselves. I am very excited to continue to work with you Smokin! You are a legend and a champion of our sport! Let's go fast!

Oh yeah! I see the back half times! I was kinda wondering about the MPH differences if any, I see it now! It looks like the brick/guhl combos best back half MPH difference was 28, and the Cblast/Nels flash ran a 32mph back half!!!! Speaks to overall horsepower and torque. Looks like we got the quality of power sorted, got the torque sorted! Awesome results again sir! My hat is off to you!

* Last updated by: Cblast on 10/31/2014 @ 12:46 AM *

Back half numbers on the best of Cblast and Brocks/Guhls flash runs .. 660 to 1320 ...Brocks/ Guhl 3.10 Cblast/Nels 3.10 ... Dead Heat !!! No winner

@smokin- It is possible that, that particular ecu itself has a minor communication problem causing the starting and that weird intermittent code 39 (communication). I know the code went away, but seems too coincidental. May just be an issue with that specific unit.

Look at the rest of results hub. If you knew a single thing about drag racing, you would know that the back half time difference stat is probably the least significant of all the data that Smokin worked to compile. At some point you gotta say to yourself that you have been wrong. It's a tough pill, take it with some water, goes great with crow.

The Cblast/Nels flash was faster first time out.

Faster 1/4 ET (which is what 1/4 mile testing is about)
Higher MPH at the 1/4
Higher back half MPH by 4!!!!!! That's HUGE!

Time to start realizing the world isn't flat. The best verbage used by Smokin to describe the brick/guhl pcv combo directly after back to back riding is 'sluggish'. Lol. Couldn't have said it better myself. We all know there are different 'qualities' of power out there. We know it because every single person that has ridden our flash has remarked on its clean crisp smooth power. Including the Hand himself.

* Last updated by: Cblast on 10/31/2014 @ 12:15 AM *

Brocks/Guhl did make more MPH in the 1/8 mile with the ETs very very close to the cblast flash...

'...did make more MPH' means more tq vs. a well tuned tre hack with lots of bottom grunt like a limp?

'We take measures...' Matching limps @ 310 when 600-1320 kicks in.

Mph in the 1/8 speaks to hookup and launch. If that solid mph number through the 1/8 had then translated to an ALSO faster ET, OR a larger back half MPH, that would be something! But it didn't. Why? Cause it's 'sluggish' with that set-up. This is backed up by the Cblast flash posting a 4mph HIGHER difference in back half MPH. Your posts are revealing your lack of knowledge in this area. Sorry hub. Bow out. You don't have a dyno sheet or leg to stand on. Every quantifiable way to test our flash has been proven. I'm not intersted in trading comments with a grown man that examples zero capacity for learning.

* Last updated by: Cblast on 10/31/2014 @ 12:26 AM *

C, I'm giving you the grunt wins. Things change once we are past so many feet/seconds and a new set of results show themselves. It was kind of obvious the flashes are not on par with each other, which seems to me to be very round in my world. I don't think the Don fuel line is that even across the map. I have no clue what program he is using, nor how many bins he captured, how many toggles he made, c&p and all that.

That being said, you should have creamed the pig hands down, but they sort of broke even at the line, as if no mods to either ECU.

You can't 'give me the grunt wins'. You have no dog in the fight. None, zero. Not a single person was waiting on YOUR appraisal of the situation. Tested by the MAN himself we come out on top. And when the differences are this small, it then comes down to QUALITY of power for the everyday rider. And whom obviously wins the QUALITY OF POWER CONTEST??? With no excess PCV bullshit needed to be hooked up??? Ohhhh yeah. The Cblast flash does. I have heard that somewhere before...

And we did stomp the shot out of the brick/PCV combo, by a quantifiable 4mph back half difference. That's huge. Drag racers that understand the dynamics of what's happening know how big that difference is in back to back runs.

* Last updated by: Cblast on 10/31/2014 @ 12:42 AM *