Out of curiosity and, no disrespect intended, how many victory cups did you earn in your 'ole track racing days?

No disrespect, Wolfy, but when I said it takes more than a well tuned bike, if everyone else is on the same bike and tuned just as well [or better], you kind of get the gist of it, yes? More are scattered, lost, burned, given away, never picked up and if you put your mind to winning races, you are determined to win the big one everyone is after, and repeat it over again, running with the best riders of that day. And they are pro's warming up for nationals in those club race venues, so you now can gauge the best in the country too. And if I showed you a rain race, HP is no longer the factor, just you, the bike and the wet. Until I found out how much experience they had and I was green with very little racing background, takes will instead, not HP, not experience.

And when the question was asked for a simple yes or no, and there is no answer coming forward, something is amiss and like racing instincts, some kind of tune here is missing something in the 3.10 stumble of it. And you're right... Without me sitting on that AFR hit I have no clue where it comes on and signs off, or watch the needle, let alone look at the cell numbers, toggle hits, etc.

You didn't mess with the filter [the hard starting] radio clicks, did you, C? And don't forget the yes or no question, because it's weird is all, just weird there is no flat out winner here of flash vs. fla/pig. So really, C, the burden is on you at the moment. Where the moment is a yes or no not coming forward, nor if that accel is at its sweet spot position(?). Again, you can question my tune up all day long, but what little I know about this flashing/mapping, I question your tuning and how to read that needle I'm up against. Lets get those two out of the way.

* Last updated by: Hub on 11/1/2014 @ 10:42 AM *

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See if you agree with me on this, C...

Here is the 'pit debrief' as far as the results coming in first round. The Hand gloves up, it's back to the same 3.10 and the same bottom hits are yours all over again is that same preset. The change in tune is, see if Brock and Don would warm over the maps and you do the same if you like.

Because all I see at the end of the day are the same 3.10 numbers all over again, we just sit up and pass thru the clocks. Do you agree? Again, let me make this as clear as possible:

1. You can flash your box to breakout of 3.10.
2. Brock or Don can play with their setup to breakout of the 3.10.
3. That says someone is going backwards or forwards and no skin off each others back, because we are all even up at this point.

So the pit call is turn the dyno tunes into 1320 tunes... I'd run the accel mode and lean out the pig, but that's just me going backwards at it.

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Hub this is what you said
"4. The Shane limit and that time was limited to only that flash and did he run a Brock map? So that's 3 points for the pig/flash team over the Cap10's flash alone, I gotta say them there are my unofficial score board no one was seeking for, nor my alleged [false] comments and if those judgements are false, where is that hat??
HUB you continue to compare my bike's time to Shane's.
The time on my bike is with me and my son riding it is 207.7 and 208.1 respectfully.
While Shane's bike with Rachel on it was a FAST 211 but with Shane on board it is 206.8.
Rachel is significantly better aerodynamically then any of the men.
Again Shane has been working on his bike for 2 years and has been doing this significantly longer then myself.
So i would say my bike could be considered the winner.
Those speeds were in the mile and half
If we were to compare the speed for the mile
Mine was a 204.5
And Shane's bike with Rachel on board set a new record of 207.430
Hub who would you give that one too.
You can't take anything away from Rachel's impressive fast time record .
With that said, you can't take anything away from what Cblast has done.
Fast on the track AND impressively quick and responsive on the street.

That is pretty dam impressive for a STREET bike!

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Cap, if I can make another pit call, you and Shane swap ECU's for one run each.

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I'm cool and would be down for a beer with any cat on here.

This extends to me as well? In spite of my good natured, yet misinterpreted ribbing of an unnamed authors prose?

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Hagrid your one of my favourites here!

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I think what your recommending would work but not possible unfortunately.
At this point I think we could almost call it a tie.
(though I really DO LOVE my Cblast modified 14)
Unless of course we go most bang for the buck.
In which case Cblast would come out a clear winner because with his modified computer you don't need to spend additional money on a power commander.

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Disagree.
She/ane = Rachael runs the pig over the flash.
Cap10 = You run the OE alone with the limiter and rpm raised.

Shane's bike = The limp is in so that means a 2hp loss up top... in theory.
Cap10's bike = You have gained 2hp is the limp out of the loop... in theory.

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Feel like I'm repeating myself but..

Someone ^^ disagrees with people about a product he has never ridden?!?!?!?!

* Last updated by: Wolfman on 11/1/2014 @ 8:01 PM *

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My Final point and Departing words…
A dyno expert like Nels, with thousands of motorcycle tunes and sheets to prove it, working with a test rider and developer like C, can focus in the enclosed environment of a dyno room on a balanced roller, with zero distractions, thus producing a quality of power that knows no equal. No ass tune - built in the real world with distractions like cars, pot holes, and guesswork can compare. Every single nuance in the power band has been C's focus.
Wolfman out.
This message was brought to you by Wolfman, a disciple of the 14r, lover of red heads, and nation brother.

* Last updated by: Wolfman on 11/1/2014 @ 8:03 PM *

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And beer drinker... which I shall verify personally.

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look forward to it. Cell number PM'ed

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"a disciple of the 14r, lover of red heads, and nation brother"

Amen, I'm with you brother!!! Can't scare me, I'm MARRIED to a redhead!!!

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lucky bastard!

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Sweet baby Jesus ^^^^^

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My Final point and Departing words…

Doubt it. Keep bringing the entertaining info in. Show me the sheets... One special one that gave me a seen your moment.

A dyno expert like Nels, with thousands of motorcycle tunes and sheets to prove it... thus producing a quality of power that knows no equal.

Until 3.10 meets 3.10 and we are back to equal... Fucking-A are you burying Nels and his sheets of 3.10 is all she wrote? Why yes, that's all she wrote.
Says it right cheer. And who is cheering for equal, you?

No ass tune - built in the real world with distractions like cars, pot holes, and guesswork can compare. Every single nuance in the power band has been C's focus.

WATT a crock. How much can you tweak that ECU, if you both came up with the same endgame? You've layered over this map, combined all maps is it? Up the rpm and set the limiter off. Brock does not mess with the ignition, because it's that much in preset trying to chase a pony. So did Nels mess with the timing? Where is that sheet? I have the flies wired open, you 100% yours to open. We are so far matching a few things here and my bike might be faster being lighter so I'm sure that's one way of breaking from the 3.10: but that's cheating.

Show me the tune.

Wolfman out.
This message was brought to you by...

No Wolfy, don't leave! I'm not beating on you. I'm whaling into the data brought forward. Cblast is hiding so all I'm doing is chasing credibility. I believe you Wolfy, but I need more proof. There are a few things that makes my theory show an example of watt I've been trying to show you. I see it and it's hard when someone like Earnhardt says he can see the wind, well it's sort of the same thing.

I don't care if this flash has the grunt deluxe, there is no hp left in this bike. Slap your ass in the face with the book it says it right here. What numbers I remember and someone correct me if I'm wrong, but didn't this bike make 212hp and now it makes 202 the same as Smokes? I'm not scrolling back to the pages, you can.

1. WOT happened to the hp change in numbers? That was a sig number if I recollect? Where is that 212 sheet?
2. Why is it this deluxe edit or I have no clue how many updates the Cflash went thru, why did the deluxe digits meet and greet the 3.10?
3. WATT is going on here is a preset you go fiddle fuckel with it. Look at it like this. Did you not fuck with the maps on both sides? I don't give a shit if Don has hotdog software and the wooly has blow your house down software, look at the numbers clocked.
4. What I'm trying to walk is, you fiddle fucked with a pc and plugged it into a ping. The ping takes action. You/the next hacker jacker of the hit/all wind up with the limpshit of protection is the flash. Of course you fouled a fire, call me for $50 bucks it can table out. That was over the phone. This is the hit Smoke is feeling in the richit of it. That's the pig ping. Can you feel it? It acts the air so if you can't visualize it, nor feel it? Can't help your assfactor then.
5. Who is giving this song and dance business about knowing no equal? My reality of math says, 3.10 times 2 equals. My reality says, who is going to equal a mailbox hack and it's hard starting? Ah HA! Slowly I turn, step by step, follow the step. Did we layer over something new? Blue to red or light blue kind of move? How come that caused a hard start in what kind of ECU? You know what, I'm not going there. That sounds more like a wooly field fix, not something C would be aware of. It's just radio clicks and drag. So it's more a software glitch. I want to be the ass and assume. I see no other direction between a simple click and the background getting the placement wrong, etc. A new updated ECU, different state, etc., just too complicated.
6. However, here is where I'm wiping that hat down my crotch, ready to be handed over to someone to nibble on. Ready? My ABC'says, looKEY HERE! Read it and weep? A Hard Starter with a deluxe limp, a truth table will math in safemode, where it did not ruin the runs, where the truth tabled the bottom to top = It still Limped a 3.10 pig as it TT'd the same tables to 3.10 on the hard starter.

'that blows no equal'... Until you try and start it.

Make Sense?

Got computer science?

Mine more walks in my reality I follow book codes.

Where be the grunt man? Where be my yes or no? Where be the hard starter seller? Wear out this new fangled flash business and 212hp? Where oh wear out is how close am I?

OH look! Stale donuts and a cold empty cough fee cup!

* Last updated by: Hub on 11/1/2014 @ 10:42 PM *

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Hub, you are so lost it's laughable. I don't respond to you because I have better things to do. I have been working on motorcycles. You question work that you don't understand. You babble on about some 3:10 time at a dragstrip and a preset? Are you kidding. Quantify the variables. You can't. The seat of the pants feel by men such as Smokin says the quality of the power is better. Smokin said his bike had never run so well. The hard starting was not the fault of the flash. Ask any customer or Smokin himself. Stop disparaging a product you don't even understand. You pick out negative bullsnap because you chose the wrong path. Stick with your pig and your ass tuning. Lee Pritchard said his Brocks/guhl PCV combo felt 'sluggish' compared to my tune. Anyone whom has ridden it certainly wouldn't go back. You haven't ridden it. You question dyno runs made by men like Mike Velasco and Nels and all you have is a pathetic cardboard box of regret. It's laughable. Mike Velasco and Nels and I put in a lot of work to achieve 212hp that day. That state of tune was high in top end and prepped a certain way with a used street tire. That was all short stacks and some other little tricks that accent top end. Mike V., knows how to prep a bike. Ask Freddie. After riding it I wanted more torque. That meant less peak power. For maximum torque across the broadest range we found about 203hp with a heavy tire. No numbers tweaking. Honest sharing with proof. All you do is make noise. And you have even stopped doing that well.

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* Last updated by: Cblast on 11/1/2014 @ 11:27 PM *

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maverick "unless you've ridden this flash yourself and really pushed this bike hard, your opinions on the matter are null and void"

I would say, if you are going to compare a flash to other flashes....."unless you've ridden multiple flashes yourself and really pushed this bike hard, your opinions on the matter are null and void"

My bike is WAY better than stock with Roman's flash. Is it the best? I have no idea, and I don't care. It's the best I've ever used! Seems to me there's a lot of claims with no comparison. I'd never spend on a different flash, but interesting reading.

I would love to see a mag do a full comparison with a stock bike, and a few flashes. A few runs with each on the strip, the track, high speed, and the street, with rider comments. Now that would be really interesting.

* Last updated by: alg8er on 11/2/2014 @ 12:17 AM *

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I have the privledge of working with and developing and testing this flash with two of the highest level tuners on the planet. With a state of the art 60k$ plus dyno room and 3 other dynos that are also used regularly. Real time data logging. Many have chimed in comparing. Including riders like Smokin. There is no comparison. The quality of the power is better. Smokin, maverick, grn14, CaraBuser, wolf, MANY have ridden it in comparison to other flashers and PCV setups. All come back giving the same positive reviews. It's the result of an incredible amount of work and expertise to bring forth what we know is the best quality power everywhere. Combining the results of hundreds of dyno runs in development and data logging refinment to less than a .1 of a percent is unprecedented work on the 14R. I'm certain it's better. We worked harder and have shown proof all the way. Customers including expert pro level riders have agreed. Track and street level development combined with dyno monster Nels and Wooly and Zeitronix. Nels and I have worked this hard to provide a better product. We knew it was possible. So we went out and did it. And provided proof every step of the way. We want you to go faster, we want the finest quality power. That is just common sense. We deliver.

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The better the tools, the higher the level of expertise, the more experience, the better the product. The best work harder to provide it. Common sense. Any question of Nels background and expertise can be answered on the 2wheeldynoworks FB page.

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Guys I have Never Ever counted the Hubster Out. That would be a mistake.

Anyone that can ride one of these bikes for One hour on a track like this,(Never mind six)is a Mad Man lmao. You First Please. Hub, # 16.

* Last updated by: Romans on 11/2/2014 @ 4:36 AM *

I would say, if you are going to compare a flash to other flashes....."unless you've ridden multiple flashes yourself and really pushed this bike hard, your opinions on the matter are null and void"
My bike is WAY better than stock with Roman's flash. Is it the best? I have no idea, and I don't care. It's the best I've ever used! Seems to me there's a lot of claims with no comparison. I'd never spend on a different flash, but interesting reading.
I would love to see a mag do a full comparison with a stock bike, and a few flashes. A few runs with each on the strip, the track, high speed, and the street, with rider comments. Now that would be really interesting.

Hey I got one vote lol I'll take it.

I would love to get all you guys together do the blind fold test and mix up the flashes and send you back out. Now that would make for some good reading. I've been staying out of this but you guys are having way to much fun here. Can I play lol