It's laughable... I put in a lot of work to achieve 212hp that day. That state of tune was high in top end and prepped a certain way with a used street tire. That was all short stacks and some other little tricks that accent top end. After riding it I wanted more torque. That meant less peak power. For maximum torque across the broadest range we found about 203hp with a heavy tire. No numbers tweaking. Honest sharing with proof. All you do is make noise. And you have even stopped doing that well.

C there is something laughable here. Why did you both wind up with the same peak hp numbers if Smoke could only get out 202 and wouldn't you think buy now what the hot tire is? So you changed a tire, tweaked no number and you lost 10hp because of a tire, and stacks that really do not show a difference on the track, but yours does on the dyno.

Man, it gets even stranger when you try to describe your tune or you are hiding something or have no clue watt you are doing. WATT are the ODDS you both dial back in and low and behold you, C, found the peak torque, Brock/Don found peak HP and oh look... Same 3.10.

Where I'm sitting, I don't need to ride that flash. Something sounds fishy or everyone would be buying that tire for 10hp LOL

* Last updated by: Hub on 11/2/2014 @ 6:04 AM *

Who the fuck in their right mind would take 10hp off the bike... Torque is still made at 7.5k and how far off of the rpm scale do you think it drops or climbs? I would have kept that bit of 10hp torque to whoop Smoke's ass, so you and your boys went backwards? Doubt it.

Watch this:

V-stacks (brand?) = 5hp
Tire (who's?) = 5hp
Minus not a move on the cell numbers
Equals = 10hp

Where in the fuck do I sign up?

C? Dude,

I think you are digging a hole for yourself. Not too much is adding up @ 3.10 and that number is more valid than what I'm looking at, reading the -10hp retune, the manual and that torque rpm range. And you come along now, change the torque setting to equally match Don/Brock's tune?

WOW!

Something

Is not adding up.

"No numbers tweaking" says, I can only toggle one map to make all maps the same. I can run the rpm limiter up, I can blue some cell numbers but I didn't. I just removed the stacks and tire and lost 10hp and gained this bottom end torque like I added 100% fly openings and I keep forgetting I wired mine open so who cares about that fly map. I could probably not feel the bottom if my flies are open anyway. But I'd have to have a camera on that sub shaft to see how the map works it @ 100% cell'd.

I wound up with the same numbers in the end, had no hp over Don/Bro, but matched the same hp and I have no clue if Smoke is using that 10hp tire but you both wound up at the same numbers... Fucking Strange is all I can say.

Hub you are missing some important factors. The valves are soooo out of spec on a stock bike that with a simple modification/adjustment and chain adjustment you can make an additional 10 hp. Remember to lube the chain too.... These all equate to 10 additional hp.

It was a happy dyno, he got tricked, he's backpeddling now.

This thread is hilarious.

Did you know i can tell the future? The next few posts will either be

A) c and crew beat everyone into submission without a logical explanation
B) they simply say "you have no idea what you are taking about and dont explain (because they themselves truely dont understand.
c) have you rode his flash? No? Shut up then. (No other response and dodges post entirely.

The explanation is simple.... They got dooped by a happy dyno. Based his sales on big power, then when eveyone came back with 197-203 hp they were forced to sell "torque"

Is his flash good? Ya probably. They put alot of time into it. Is if infinitly better than anyone elses. Probably not. Some extra low end grunt is nice for the everyday rider.

* Last updated by: Fazer on 11/2/2014 @ 8:40 AM *

So I've been following this thread for like....6 months now lol. Learned a ton but I really think you guys are ALL missing the boat here! I'm gonna try to feed this to you in laidmans terms (that's post virginal by the way). When you look at the charts it's plain as the nose up air on your face! So here goes.
When you look at the charts and are reading the I'llbedamned's you can plainly see that there's a lag in the buttkicker right before you get to the schlongpull right? You could pull your fly open BUT that means that your granny could EASILY see your taliwhacker right? So, keep the flies stuck to the paper until it's out the door! THEN, you take the what your seeing and some brazilian wax (Chinese will all so work, if it's short) and strip it down both sides. You should be able to start smelling a little yeehaw right about then (good sign!). Take 2 of the bygods out of the eahseeyou, strip the ends (sometimes a bit painful but will heal) and dab a little scrotusoil on them. Be very careful with the scrotusoil cause that stuff's still on backorder at the factory.
Now we're getting down to some serious business ok? If you're ANY kind of self respecting sportbike rider, ex racer or just all around beer drinkin, leg chasin, puntain loving kind of guy you SHOULD have at least a teaspoon of DSNRC (Dr. SickNinja's Root Compound) sittin in the medicine cabinet. Take that out, mix it in a 5 gallon bucket of yeehaw. It'll boost the octane to about 130-135 depending on altitude. Give it time to mix and PLEASE do this in a safe area away from your loved ones! Some states may require a license to even have this stuff! DON'T let your wife or girlfriend around it or she may never want you again, and I don't have time for that many! LOL
After it's mixed good (yeehaw will have a cloudy look to it) pour it into your bike and cap it off tight! Set the remaining can of yeehaw next to your neighbors yard (His wife/girlfriend will sense that it's out there and probably take it.) Nothing you can do about that, it's just life.
Slide your right leg over the seat until your sphinctergina is firmly centered, tie the 2 bygods from the eahseeyou to your safety strap around your waist. Make sure your bike is aimed out of the driveway, bite down HARD with your sphinctergina enough to crinkle the seat up between your cheeks. Trust me gentleman, this is a much better grip than you can ever have with your hands. You won't need a key to start it with the DSNRC fortified yeehaw. Shake the bike back and forth to ignite the yeehaw, neighbor lady should have came into the yard by now looking for the can of yeehaw you sat over there and she'll see you preparing for take off. NOW'S the time, 2 more quick shakes, she fire's, neighbor breaks out in a trot to try to reach you before your gone, the air fills with exhaust that smells like an X-rated movie, bike vibrating like an Iranian womans vibrator, fan the clutch a bit so you don't lose traction, let neighbor lady chase you for a few hundred yards before you lower your head, grip with you knees and let her watch the hottest, studliest hunk a hunk of burnin love she's ever layed eye's on run off into the sunset. Yes, her heart will be broken, yes you'll probably have a great woody, yes you're wife is gonna be jealous, yes you'll be the envy of your neighbor buddies, in the end...just tellm Sic sent ya! LMAO

Sic

Hey Fazer, did "The next few posts" mean AFTER mine? HAHAHAHAHAHAHA!!!

Sic

O god a disciple.... He's posturing up!

Sick are you related to Hub?

"The valves are soooo out of spec on a stock bike"....uh.....HUH?...I ran 50K miles on my 07...NEVER had a valve adjust...checked..yes...at 26K....ALL were in spec...not even CLOSE to being otherwise.BTW...that bike saw maxxed out speed runs almost every 4th ride.

Curious WHERE ya got this 'informed' observation????

Okay...back to our regular scheduled program....

* Last updated by: Grn14 on 11/2/2014 @ 9:01 AM *

Fazer!! HAHAHA!! Hmmmm I'm not sure but think he dated my sister, well, before her sex change operation. LMAO!!!

Just an aside here...kinda...CBlast recently updated my Cblast 'first' flash....it's even BETTER than it was(now flashed for Brock's 4 into 1 system)...which IMO...was the top flash of my 14 riding experiences.Thank You again C for a fine job and satisfied street rider;)

Someone mentioned earlier...think it was Lee maybe...a change in sound.Yup...gotta say...it IS sounding very GP ish...FWIW.I like it anyway.And that little deal about a millisecond of something feeling like an 'ignition cut' going from 1st to 2nd in low rpms...that's gone...

Also..I was getting the impression that my engine 'might' be getting ready for a throttlebody synch.That's gone as well....steady smooth idle...all the time.

* Last updated by: Grn14 on 11/2/2014 @ 9:15 AM *

Grn14, that was straight from the man himself.

You back to a brocks system now, Grn?

Did you know i can tell the future? The next few posts will either be

"A) c and crew beat everyone into submission without a logical explanation"
If that stuff wasn't on backodor, I'd pour a gallon of scrotusoil down my trousers, followed by that hat I'm suppose to eat.

"B) they simply say "you have no idea what you are taking about and dont explain (because they themselves truely dont understand."
Someone cannot decipher from a yes or a no to know if they DO Understand. That placed them on the red carpet, they are now under the microscope and I did not put them there: their tech did. Wait a minute. What tech?

"C) have you rode his flash? No? Shut up then. (No other response and dodges post entirely)."
Lookey here C, I sit here in my reality and I questioned the $50 Iridium call, questioned Grn when it comes to the big boy questions, and that is only to get it right per book call. Once that step falls off the page, I have to, "Hole we shit, Batman!"

WATT hole are you pulling this shit out of... The back of your ass? There is a whole bunch of shit going on, Batman, and every time you come up to bat, I did not quote these ABC's. Someone else has the same thought. The more buckets that chime in, the deeper the boatech sinks trying to bail you out.

There is no smoke in this website you come here reading that search description. Pants with their trousers down:

1. Ivan... He made me do dis.
2. Jeffo.. The Iridiums made him do it.
3. Cblast.. Welcome to the clubeer dub dub. I'll get to the bottom of dis.

So far:

Hub: Yes or No?
C: Silence.
Faz: A B or C?
C: Silence.
Sick: Scrotusoil Salesmen a.k.a. the Elixir is INN!
C: Silence.
The Minus 10hp I wanted more grunt below says the limp wave signal: I could use an explanation on that.
C: Silence.

Score? Who is holding the score card?

@Hub, If you think things don't add up, you should call down to Brothers Powersports in Bremerton and ask Mike V, if he 'fooled' anyone with a happy dyno. You couldn't figure out how to make HP with a map. I get to learn and do it everyday. If you have ever ridden a peaky motorcycle on the street, you would understand the focus back on torque. The HP # is just a number. I share it and show it. If you are gonna make wild accusations, back them up, call Mike. You look stupid questioning the integrity of a man like Mike's dyno operating ability. You continue to prattle behind your keyboard.
Tires and air pressure in those tires can account for 2-3hp (run your machine with 40psi on the dyno, then run it with 30psi in the tires. Tell me the difference. Oh yeah, you don't have acces to a dyno. You tune with your ass.
Velocity stacks if tuned to peak power not afr, will make 3hp (call mike Salzburg at factory pro, he makes stacks for a living)
Bike prep learned from a man whom did it for a living, drivechain, light weight oil, bearings etc., another 2-3hp.
Ambient air conditions 1-2 more....

This all seems simple to me.

* Last updated by: Cblast on 11/2/2014 @ 9:33 AM *

And Fazer, hahahahaha, asking this clown for backup is ridiculous. Word in Tdot is that your turbo bike runs like shit. Have you sorted the issues out? Or is it just one big problem after another? I already know the answer. Lol.

What are you talking about? Lets get back to the ECU not friction. Your ECU did not outperform at the top. It broke even. So with all the tuning going on, how is it that there is this blue/red map laid over the OE, you flash it and yours is suppose to beat the pig, but comes up short if not even. I don't give a rat's ass where the torque is, we change tires and v-stacks we are still dead even. Get it yet or not? Say yes or no.

That's the sticking point. That says I would no run the flash if you are going to sit there at .55's all day at the bottom.I'd run the accel mode and see if the pig broke the stinking point number. And you have yet to answer if that accel needle was anywhere close? You know why you can't answer? You never felt that grunt pull nor played with accel, correct? How close am I you not answering?

I gotta hear this one.

There is no answer for your theories. If you have ever tuned a machine with a dyno, you would have a small frame of reference. You don't. Answering you is a waste of time. Smokin said it best. As did maverick.

It felt as I had added two teeth to the rear sprocket in first gear ..It completely removed the bog I feel in Brocks /Guhl flash ..

He has some experience. And he is comparing. You should ask Smokin abount differences he feels. Ask him if he would ever go back now that he has felt it. I dare you. You won't like the answer. It'll make you squeal even more. Your irrelevancy is as great as your lack of knowledge about tuning. Carry on.

* Last updated by: Cblast on 11/2/2014 @ 10:11 AM *

To amend fazer's list
1) good conversation with a data, and ridden supported assessment of C's flash.

The people who support or do not support will see Lee's results and so far things are looking good.

Again noticed lots of folks discussing a product they don't run. Like I said, has value, but the men riding this flash would disagree. But that's ok.

Fazer if you want a tear on my bike to see for yourself the ride is up for grabs. You'll have to wait till next season cause I'm fitting it with a little "none of your business" surprise.

An NA bike generally runs only so fast without certain aids, ie boost, ie spray. Why not put the best flash in your bike?

I think that's the focus here. C started with Data, Lee will conclude with data. I will enjoy seeing some folks eat that hat.

Have a great day boys. Back to raking leaves and taking kids to the library.
Yours Truly
Ordinary dude on extraordinary bike, disciple of zx 14r and lover of redheads...
W

Hey C,

Turbo tune is making progress... runs like crap?... hell yes.... but you will still see my tail lights leaving you in the distance. Ill dump some oil and shoot some smoke at you while im at it! Maybe my rear caliper will fly off too ... but you would have lots of time to dodge it.

The biggest difference is I can say I built and tuned my bike.... you cant.

Again you went for the trifecta! You didn't answer anyone's question... just more insults and re-directing to others (which never come to your aid). This just shows that you cant answer the questions because you just stand beside a tuner and call their work yours.

If I stand beside RCC and he tunes my bike... is it a LOW COMPRESSION Turbo FAZER tune?

If Lee hooks up Brocks exhausts is it a "Smokin Brocks Exhaust"

You pull the wool over everyone eyes with your re-directing and insults as responses.

* Last updated by: Fazer on 11/2/2014 @ 10:26 AM *

Wolf,

As much as you know I LOVE to debate with you over internet it is probably best if we don't bring up each others names, yes?

I look forward to the nitrous set-up... yes?

I cant wait to welcome you to the club :P

Hahahahaha! Fazer, I built and tuned every single digit with my hand data logging and every single upgrade on Priscilla. I took ownership of every single aspect. Ask Nels yourself, I started learning standing beside him. I have learnt and progressed faster than anyone he has ever taught. Ask him. (2-WheelDynoWorks / 425-269-5332). I have ran her on the dyno myself, I have flashed her ad nauseum myself with development. Members here like FrankTheTank and NeedForSpeed will attest to that fact. Don't run your mouth about stuff you don't know. Makes you look like hub. Watch I'll wind him up again too. Rofl. You two make a cute couple.

You and hub can't seem to read English. Those questions have been answered many times in previous posts or threads. Not just by me, by customers who have actuall ridden the flash. Again, ask guys like Smokin, or Sic, or Maverick. Their wealth of knowledge and riding ability and experience should speak for itself. It does to me. I won't repeat the same answers over and over because you two can't read and assimilate information over a period of time. I have better shit to do.

* Last updated by: Cblast on 11/2/2014 @ 10:37 AM *

Fazer I was being dam fair about the offer. No provocation felt, or directed. I don't ride with you and so I have no direct insight to how well or not well your set up runs. Caliper? No info there either?

Nitris...we shall see...how much...we shall see, or perhaps...can't give everything away.

I don't think Smoke wants to hang in that deluxe state of grunt, running .55's if an 8.3 is the aim. I think Smoke can see the sticker or the point is: there is nothing left in the bike says the assfactor. So are you about to question your rider on the debrief or chase the sticking point?

You need to up the proven results if you are dead even. Say yes or no, I am dead even at the top and can answer why. I can also answer why it did not outperform in the OA aspect of it. Only one section you can't decouple your teeth from, hello? We are up here in the HP dept, not the low end torque we drive out of the hole look at my numbers.

Say, I agree we have a sticking point, and page 14 has yet to unstick shit. Now you are on Faz's case about a bad running turbo and you know what it is? That's a tuning deal so you know, right?

There is no answer for your theories.

I gotta hear this one like I have yet to hear any yeses or nose is this mic on, hello?