I still strongly disagree with you for going with a quickshifter over an airshifter......but what the fuck do I know.....I've never ran either or so my opinion is invalid.....

Not invalid at all. It's a hunch based on mechanics and physics of watching different launches with different products. You also work on bikes that's a plus. I'm about to test my own theory on this.

I think both applications must be learned and some operators will be faster with their preferred set up.

Hmmmmmm

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* Last updated by: Wolfman on 11/4/2014 @ 4:59 AM *

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We did the Brocks clutch mod on his setup Nasty. Thanks wolf. And hub, of course I have all the oe bin files for all the part no's. I clearly explained a process to you. You fail to read and understand. That is called 'comprehension'. You again don't understand what occurred because you aren't in the loop. It's funny to watch you melt down though. Lol. You are attempting to be relevant to the point of ridiculousness. Carry on.

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I must have missed that in the list of specs. My bad, bro.

* Last updated by: nasty on 11/4/2014 @ 7:51 AM *

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No prob nasty! It is a beautiful machine and it has been a real honor to work with Jimmy. He is gonna help me setup Priscilla for the spring season! He has been drag racing for over 40yrs and had bikes under cover that were very intriguing!

* Last updated by: Cblast on 11/4/2014 @ 8:02 AM *

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Its probably too late but why didnt we get romans flash in here as well? Beast and wolf were supposed to do a romans/cblast flash off ... Even take it to the track (because we're experts, lol) but beastie turb'd his beast and wolf stretched his animal.

Would have been cool to lay that debate to rest.

But anyways.... Back to our scheduled program

* Last updated by: Fazer on 11/4/2014 @ 7:51 AM *

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Wolfy, that was how many times Cblast stepped over my questions. LOL... Now lookey here... I don't care what ECU you use. If it's for a 14 gen type ECU connector, I swapped an '06 and used it on my '08. Ran the 330's on a 440cc made ECU. Did it run? Yep. No codes, nada. Should I have changed my injectors and who would have know any difference but a dyno? That's a 3 year spread between bikes and now you are going to tell me to swap ECU's that belt out the same 3.10 in the end?

There is no faulty ECU. There is a faulty made map that is hard starting and heats up.

Signed,

"The Hand" figured this out by explaining how the bike was harder to start when you "Leaned" on it. Not compression, not spark, but fuel.

Blue connector 3A code maker

Close your eyes, pick out any resistor and install. 3A is no longer a code pop.

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Peeps are up EARLY this fine mornin...sheesh...don't any of you hooligans work????LOL!!!

Self employed

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Holy crap it is 10am.... Better turn on the CPU.

H2 cost me 2 hours of my day... Wasnt even worth it.

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There is no stepping Over a wrong statement. My flash did not cause any issue. Ecu was faulty before it was shipped to me. As stated by Lee. The man whom is actually involved in this. You are categorically wrong. That isn't a sidestep. It's firmly stating you are full of it. At idle and at any rpm's involved with re:starting the mapping is stock but smoother. No leaner, no more aggressive, just tuned correctly according to a dyno you couldn't use and a data logging setup you don't understand. Confirmed on street and track already by many riders and many forum members here whom have never had a problem starting. Only cross purposing ecu's causes this sort of issue.

* Last updated by: Cblast on 11/4/2014 @ 8:09 AM *

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My flash did not cause any issue.

A code 3A does not cause a hard start... What was the last thing done? A flash. It's a 3a and no backup in the code box. I don't think you know how to read a code page, nor can figure out how to override a 3a. How come I have zip problems with that hack?

Ecu was faulty before it was shipped to me. As stated by Lee.

A 3a is not part of the fueling. Again, look at the code page and a blank box for 'backup.' I can't explain it any easier if we are computer savvy and now I question your computering vs. how to diagnose a code.

You are categorically wrong.

Look in the book for a 3a. What you are saying is the book is wrong. Signed, this is how it is once the big boys discuss the shop man you will be buried without having that background and try to run with the book and now counter what the book is explaining? WE on the same page yet?

It's firmly stating you are full of it. At idle and at any rpm's involved with re:starting the mapping is stock but smoother.

At idle? So it idles correct? No codes correct? Is smoother, correct? Sounds like a working ECU to me.

No leaner, no more aggressive, just tuned correctly according to a dyno you couldn't use and a data logging setup you don't understand.

Watch this. Don/Brock has an 8.42 in it and you could not even come close first time out. So are you sure the night was not showing an equal 3.10 but you could not get into the low 8.50's? But somehow the bike was hard starting within 3 runs and how come a data link did not pop up showing hard starting? Did you link that whatever update you made, did you data link that? Because you did not test on a track to verify. You had Smoke as the guinea pig cooking the head warpage. So much for data on a dyno.

Confirmed on street and track already by many riders and many forum members here whom have never had a problem starting. Only cross purposing ecu's causes this sort of issue

Once again, a 3a is not about to cook an engine. A 3a has no backup. A 3a sets an amber light on the dash as in self diagnose 3 variables that could happen. Once 3 variables are not in the loop, no codes in other words, WATT was the last thing done to the bike? A flash.

Don't start blaming the parts. The parts are working. It's called 'junk in and junk out.'

* Last updated by: Hub on 11/4/2014 @ 8:53 AM *

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It's funny cause you are so wrong. Lol

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Not me, C, you are saying the bike is wrong, and the shop manual backs it up, but somehow Kawi has it wrong. It's very simple if you explain it, but can't. Once again you chose C of the 'Can't explain it' so you start in how the book has it wrong.

Doesn't that sound strange to you that you are telling Kawi they have their code page all fucked up says you?

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I didn't say anything about the manual, you are back to gibberish and spouting. Show me the chapter that references cross using different ecu part no.'s. You can't. It's not there. Cross purposing ecu part no's is differnt then the code being wrong. Smokin chimed in on this. I have explained. You fail to understand. That is your problem not mine. Smokin and I are on the same page. My customers and I are on the same page. You are lost. It's sad. But it is nonetheless your dilemma.

* Last updated by: Cblast on 11/4/2014 @ 9:06 AM *

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OK, lets start all over.

1. Brock/Don's fla/pig.
2. Cblast's hard starter.
3. Rome's flash enters the picture.

I would now run your flash against Romes so within 3 runs, who starts harder, where are we in numbers? Give Brock a break, because this has an 8.42 already in it. I have no clue how either runs so I'd say you'll sit there in the grunt setting and Brock's is more spread out with the hp not so condensed downstairs.

All you did was spank the low to mid and have no mid to high like Brock's 8.4. So now Romes would have to beat you or if we wind up with a 3.10... Data says limp x's 3 hacks = 3.10 or the preset and the tables turned out the same data and blocked your.

If I may make another pit call, here we are. Romes? Are you willing to comp a flash into the pool for the Hand?

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C, when I open the wooly, click on 14r, there is a list of black box numbers for other ECU's. When you buy a bin, are you buying the bin for that black box number or did Justin find out they all have the same maps loaded between years and black box numbers?

So when you look at that row or ECU part numbers, are you burning the same map in each one? Let me make this clear ear, no matter what ECU part number is sent, you load the same map over and over on every last part number as if it's not going to work in each of those 14r part numbers.

Are we on the same my layer, toggle, radio button, burn my lower green line so I see 'successfully loaded' question?

* Last updated by: Hub on 11/4/2014 @ 9:19 AM *

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wow this thread is great....except for this guy HUB...what a loser LOL

where is the ignore button???

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Seriously?
This thread is a complete charlie foxtrot...like I'd expect to find on a honda civic forum with kids arguing over whose CAI sounds better or if three PC fans wired in series will add boost.

Summary:
The Cblast flash wont make you go any faster than anyone else's flash.
Pick your person, pay your $$.
Want more hp than a flash? Change hard parts.

Thanks Lee for testing, Romans+few others for making sense...

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No he diddant!

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Wait a moment! Wolf, I hope you ain't spraying on this flash without and ignition controller!!! No wonder you're looking for a used motor.

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All I can say about using a different # ECU is don't. Luckily Romans is an amazingly generous man, and even though it wasn't his fault, (I'll let him throw the blame if he wants) he replaced my ECU with the correct #. Do not hesitate to get a Romans flash! He is the man!

You Are correct, ECU # is very important, yet files show Exactly the same the same in the 14R. Are they ? Why do some code and other Don't ? Spent allot of time playing with this trying to code a ECU on purpose. You the user can't Do it. Believe me I tried. I ran Busa files #'s No code. Also ran 2012 in 2014s,,, All looked Good, No Speedo. That was a good one.

So how are all ECU's the same????,,, there Not.

When a New ECU File is read as New and is sent to woolich Justin must upload the Data. Now if and when he proofs reads the uploaded info there is something missing or different and it gets missed, Boom you Code the ECU.

Case and point 2006/2007 ECU belonging to Alger8. Cam sensor input missing. theirs a new one ? This too was a Cali ECU. The second I saw it I knew the game of Russian Roulette was at hand. Yet I played, Curiosity had me. Plugged it in stepped back and Boom. Flash always shows complete and fine. But it is Not. How you find out is sad. $$$$$$$$$$$$$$

Ok, with Regards to the 14R, in comes the 3A fix. I tried to find out what's in the Fix so I know what input gets turned off. My feeling is that this input turns off more than we know. What we all thought at first was the ECU is repaired,,,, It is "Not". Your ECU is coded for life.

The 3A check box Must always remain checked or code comes back later. I don't Like it. I could go on with all the tests I've run with Justin from woolich. I still have lots of questions with no answers and No one is ever going to tell me the Answers. I must Except the fact if your coded just get New. Yes bike will run and work but something is Very Wrong IMO Blind to us all. So lets forget all that and get Lee sorted and back in the test.

No matter what transpires here I want Lee and all you Guys to run Faster. I don't care how or what method gets used, Just Faster. My study is in the science. The science lies in all the #'s in PC3 PCV & All Flashes. IMO there is no more power to be had, You guys have all their is. No Magic Pill or Flash. What we do is very simple.

The C/Nells flash approach of unifying cylinders is the only thing different here and may very well be the ticket. I for one hope so. This has my undivided attention. As, Up till now the #'s have hit a wall,,,,,,, We Need More. Lets find it.

Some Day the secrecy wall will come crashing Down, if and when it does I will be only to happy to Brake Down the flashes and show you all what your paying for. Only then will the bickering stop.

Anyway this is all good for our sport, keep testing Cheers

For now keep in mind Lee ran a 8.5 with a bone stock ECU No power commander ZIP Lol pipe was a Gen 1 Alein head with the smaller than stock head pipe. Were not even there yet so Air testing has a long way to go. As for 8.3 as promised ????? Boys I hope so

* Last updated by: Romans on 11/4/2014 @ 11:13 AM *

Thank you Romes for the voice of reason. So how does a 14r owner like me that doesn't have this computer ECU stuff figured out know our ECU isn't going to get screwed up when we send it out?

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Thank you Romes, you are a voice of reason. I have tried hard to open up and share and show what we are doin. Thanks again for sound logic sir.

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I understand that there are many different ECU's, but I don't under WHY there are so many different ecu's. Shouldn't there be one for 49 state, and one for California? Maybe with an extra for ABS and non ABS?

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